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Subject: Cedar City Office of Economic Development announces efforts to establish the Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine (SUCOM) in Cedar City Utah.
CEDAR CITY — The Cedar City Office of Economic Development is beginning the groundwork to establish a school of osteopathic medicine in Cedar City. This effort will create high-value, professional jobs in southern Utah, attract additional resources and research, and develop rural health care opportunities. Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine, or SUCOM as it will be known, is a joint effort of community leaders, business leaders, educators, health professionals and interested citizens and students.
Southern Utah has been impacted in recent years with rapid population growth that has exceeded Utah’s ability to provide adequate supplies of rural and primary care physicians for the region’s needs. Each year more than 400 students leave Utah to attend medical and osteopathic schools elsewhere in the country. Many of those students never return to Utah to practice, since studies show that new physicians tend to practice close to where they trained.
The Cedar City Office of Economic Development is consulting with Colorado-based Rocky Vista University’s College of Osteopathic Medicine. RVUCOM is a fully accredited, private College of Osteopathic Medicine with the regional mission of providing primary care physicians for the Intermountain West. Rocky Vista matriculated its first class in August of 2008 and that inaugural class just graduated in May of 2012. The College of Osteopathic Medicine has quickly established an excellent academic record in the world of medical education and has successfully placed all of its graduates into quality training programs throughout the nation. The College is presently affiliated with several Utah hospital systems that provide clinical education for some of its Utah students.
Rocky Vista University has established an early-acceptance agreement with Southern Utah University that channels qualified SUU students into the Colorado school for their first two years of medical training. Officials at RVU initiated the program because of the large number of quality applicants they were interviewing from the SUU campus each year. Many of these students will now be able to plan
much earlier than usual to return to Utah for clinical rotations. It is anticipated that the establishment
of a Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine will mean even more students will be able to
receive all four years of training in Utah.
Rocky Vista University, in conjunction with the Southern Utah Area Health Education Center (AHEC), has
established clinical placement offices in Cedar City and St. George for training 3rd and 4th year medical
students. They are also cultivating future residencies in the area that will augment the effectiveness of
the early-acceptance program, and assure graduates will remain in Utah to practice.
The Cedar City Office of Economic Development, along with an established community advocacy group,
has been working on this project for the past 18 months. Given the need for Doctors and the great
public interest in providing more medical services for the area, the task force is confident that this
project will lead to economic development opportunities and increased primary care physicians in
southern Utah.
Brennan M. Wood
Cedar City – Iron County Office of Economic Development
Director
10 N Main Street
Cedar City, UT 84720
[email protected]
Thomas N. Told DO FACOFP dist.
Professor of Family Medicine
Assistant Dean for Clinical Education
Chairman Department of Rural and Wilderness Medicine
Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine
8401 South, Chambers Rd.
Parker, Colorado 80134
[email protected]
Rita Osborn
Utah Center for Rural Health/AHEC
Associate Director
Southern Utah University
http://www.cedarcity.org/DocumentCenter/View/7296



Cedar City pushing to establish osteopathic medical school
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
First Published Oct 16 2012 08:37 am • Updated 6 hours ago
The Cedar City Office of Economic Development wants to establish a school of osteopathic medicine in that community.
It says it is beginning the groundwork to open the school in what it describes as a joint effort of community leaders, business leaders, educators, health professionals and interested residents and students.
The economic development office says it is consulting with Colorado-based Rocky Vista University’s College of Osteopathic Medicine to help it establish a school. Rocky Vista’s first class of physicians graduated in May 2012.
In the United States, there are two types of licensed physicians that practice medicine. Most physicians hold the M.D. or Doctor of Medicine degree. Osteopathic physicians hold the D.O. or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine degree. The medical training for an M.D. and D.O. is virtually indistinguishable. D.O. physicians are licensed to practice medicine in all 50 states, with a large percentage going into primary care.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55090503-79/...
 
Wow, this doctor shortage must be getting serious?
 
Life Sucks said:
Wow, this doctor shortage must be getting serious?
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The doctor shortage is a pretty serious issue. I hope that more residencies are also made available to accommodate the increase in medical students!
 
Aacom should put more money and resources towards upping the quality of their residencies
 
michow87 said:
The doctor shortage is a pretty serious issue. I hope that more residencies are also made available to accommodate the increase in medical students!
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The doctor shortage is one of location. Very few people are going to want to go to rural areas or medical disadvantaged people, end of story. Likewise limited residencies and a bankrupt government means that few will be created. This to also compound the fact that DO schools are going to sooner or later probably be blocked from most or the majority of ACGME residencies as the ACGME is already beginning to label DO training as inferior.

ToldYouSo said:
Aacom should put more money and resources towards upping the quality of their residencies
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This is very important for the sake of sustaining the DO profession. Likewise all DO residencies need to aim for dual accreditation of AOA and ACGME.
 
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serenade said:
The doctor shortage is one of location. Very few people are going to want to go to rural areas or medical disadvantaged people, end of story. Likewise limited residencies and a bankrupt government means that few will be created. This to also compound the fact that DO schools are going to sooner or later probably be blocked from most or the majority of ACGME residencies as the ACGME is already beginning to label DO training as inferior.
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A very unfortunate truth.
 
rcheech7 said:
Its associated with a public school so I doubt it.
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I'm not so certain, it originally looked like it would be a SUU program, but this article looks like that's no longer the case.

SUCOM vs. SUUCOM

Not sure if that means it will be for profit, but the tight collaboration with RVU isn't reassuring.

I'd be all over practicing in Southern Utah, infact, I think the chances are high that I may practice in St. George or the surrounding area. I'd love to be affiliated in a teaching or precepting role with a local osteopathic school, but not if it's for profit.

Lets hope that's not the case!
 
SLC said:
I'm not so certain, it originally looked like it would be a SUU program, but this article looks like that's no longer the case.

SUCOM vs. SUUCOM

Not sure if that means it will be for profit, but the tight collaboration with RVU isn't reassuring.

I'd be all over practicing in Southern Utah, infact, I think the chances are high that I may practice in St. George or the surrounding area. I'd love to be affiliated in a teaching or precepting role with a local osteopathic school, but not if it's for profit.

Lets hope that's not the case!
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I dunno the article makes it seem like its with SUU.

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/...chool-open?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

"Brennan Wood, director of Economic Development for Iron County and Cedar City, said the school would be called the Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine. The initial efforts to establish the school, he said, were the result of a collaboration between the city, community business leaders and representatives from Southern Utah University because they were aware of a severe shortage of physicians in Utah."
 
Honestly, that's a pretty ambiguously worded press release. It calls it self Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine and is in the same very small town as Southern Utah University... that the press release doesn't explicitly mention SUU seems like a rather glaring omission. The wording reminds me of those commercials for health supplements that make is sound like they cure _____ disease, but then have fine print that reads "this drug is not intended to treat any disease." The article seems to dodge the SUU issue, then it goes on and on about RVU and the wonderful things it's apparently done for souther Utah.

Something's off...
 
medfield12 said:
Subject: Cedar City Office of Economic Development announces efforts to establish the Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine (SUCOM) in Cedar City Utah.
CEDAR CITY — The Cedar City Office of Economic Development is beginning the groundwork to establish a school of osteopathic medicine in Cedar City. This effort will create high-value, professional jobs in southern Utah, attract additional resources and research, and develop rural health care opportunities. Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine, or SUCOM as it will be known, is a joint effort of community leaders, business leaders, educators, health professionals and interested citizens and students.
Southern Utah has been impacted in recent years with rapid population growth that has exceeded Utah's ability to provide adequate supplies of rural and primary care physicians for the region's needs. Each year more than 400 students leave Utah to attend medical and osteopathic schools elsewhere in the country. Many of those students never return to Utah to practice, since studies show that new physicians tend to practice close to where they trained.
The Cedar City Office of Economic Development is consulting with Colorado-based Rocky Vista University's College of Osteopathic Medicine. RVUCOM is a fully accredited, private College of Osteopathic Medicine with the regional mission of providing primary care physicians for the Intermountain West. Rocky Vista matriculated its first class in August of 2008 and that inaugural class just graduated in May of 2012. The College of Osteopathic Medicine has quickly established an excellent academic record in the world of medical education and has successfully placed all of its graduates into quality training programs throughout the nation. The College is presently affiliated with several Utah hospital systems that provide clinical education for some of its Utah students.
Rocky Vista University has established an early-acceptance agreement with Southern Utah University that channels qualified SUU students into the Colorado school for their first two years of medical training. Officials at RVU initiated the program because of the large number of quality applicants they were interviewing from the SUU campus each year. Many of these students will now be able to plan
much earlier than usual to return to Utah for clinical rotations. It is anticipated that the establishment
of a Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine will mean even more students will be able to
receive all four years of training in Utah.
Rocky Vista University, in conjunction with the Southern Utah Area Health Education Center (AHEC), has
established clinical placement offices in Cedar City and St. George for training 3rd and 4th year medical
students. They are also cultivating future residencies in the area that will augment the effectiveness of
the early-acceptance program, and assure graduates will remain in Utah to practice.
The Cedar City Office of Economic Development, along with an established community advocacy group,
has been working on this project for the past 18 months. Given the need for Doctors and the great
public interest in providing more medical services for the area, the task force is confident that this
project will lead to economic development opportunities and increased primary care physicians in
southern Utah.
Brennan M. Wood
Cedar City – Iron County Office of Economic Development
Director
10 N Main Street
Cedar City, UT 84720
[email protected]
Thomas N. Told DO FACOFP dist.
Professor of Family Medicine
Assistant Dean for Clinical Education
Chairman Department of Rural and Wilderness Medicine
Rocky Vista University College of Osteopathic Medicine
8401 South, Chambers Rd.
Parker, Colorado 80134
[email protected]
Rita Osborn
Utah Center for Rural Health/AHEC
Associate Director
Southern Utah University
http://www.cedarcity.org/DocumentCenter/View/7296



Cedar City pushing to establish osteopathic medical school
THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
First Published Oct 16 2012 08:37 am • Updated 6 hours ago
The Cedar City Office of Economic Development wants to establish a school of osteopathic medicine in that community.
It says it is beginning the groundwork to open the school in what it describes as a joint effort of community leaders, business leaders, educators, health professionals and interested residents and students.
The economic development office says it is consulting with Colorado-based Rocky Vista University's College of Osteopathic Medicine to help it establish a school. Rocky Vista's first class of physicians graduated in May 2012.
In the United States, there are two types of licensed physicians that practice medicine. Most physicians hold the M.D. or Doctor of Medicine degree. Osteopathic physicians hold the D.O. or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine degree. The medical training for an M.D. and D.O. is virtually indistinguishable. D.O. physicians are licensed to practice medicine in all 50 states, with a large percentage going into primary care.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55090503-79/...
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Also, the part I bolded up above is a a complete misunderstanding of the cited research. "Where they trained" refers to doctors staying to practice where they do their residency, not where they go to medical school. Utah can definitely use more med school slots, though, regardless. I just hope the school is proactive in setting up new residency spots as well.
 
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Guess how many AOA residencies Utah has? A grand total of one! It's a derm residency in Spanish Fork of all places. Lol
 
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Another thing that's funny to me is that RVU, who gets so many of their qualified applicants from southern Utah, rejected me pre-interview even though I applied from st George. And it's not that I'm even a somewhat undesirable applicant. I applied to 17 schools, got 12 interview invites, went to 7 and got in at 5 schools.


Still, I also would be glad to see an osteopathic school in Utah. As has been posted before, LECOM is in the process of starting up something in Provo. It was actually discussed in my interview at Erie.
If it doesn't create more residencies, however, it won't do much good to stimulate more physicians to practice in Utah. Heaven knows there should be enough possibilities through intermountain healthcare to create more residencies.
 
serenade said:
The doctor shortage is one of location. Very few people are going to want to go to rural areas or medical disadvantaged people, end of story. Likewise limited residencies and a bankrupt government means that few will be created. This to also compound the fact that DO schools are going to sooner or later probably be blocked from most or the majority of ACGME residencies as the ACGME is already beginning to label DO training as inferior.


This is very important for the sake of sustaining the DO profession. Likewise all DO residencies need to aim for dual accreditation of AOA and ACGME.
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Is this really true?
 
angldrps said:
Is this really true?
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Yes. If things continue as they are, yes. The AOA works very hard to be considered separate but equal, however many of their training sites suck and they do nothing about it. Instead of actually being equal, they are just fighting for recognition. ACGME is finally saying "you guys clearly aren't doing anything so we propose that your AOA residencies aren't going to qualify for our training." We should be furious with the AOA because they let it get to this point. Add to the fact that there are about 3000 DO grads every year and 1000 DO residencies, they aren't doing the students any favors. Instead of fighting to say "nuh uh" they need to be making more residencies that are quality and bringing the ones they have up to part. I don't blame the ACGME because the AOA seems to hate their students.

But I am a first year so what do I know?
 
the acgme proposal which is still being debated would apply only to fellowships, not residencies.
the primary intent is to prevent foreign-trained doctors from entering acgme fellowships directly from foreign residencies.
the acgme has clearly stated that it has nothing to do with the type of medical degree: "It is important to note that the proposals will NOT exclude any person with current eligibility for ACGME-accredited training due to the type of undergraduate medical education."
there is an ongoing discussion on this at http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=862903
 
oms2 said:
the acgme proposal which is still being debated would apply only to fellowships, not residencies.
the primary intent is to prevent foreign-trained doctors from entering acgme fellowships directly from foreign residencies.
the acgme has clearly stated that it has nothing to do with the type of medical degree: "It is important to note that the proposals will NOT exclude any person with current eligibility for ACGME-accredited training due to the type of undergraduate medical education."
there is an ongoing discussion on this at http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=862903
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Yes we know and I am sure people want to read through 12 pages. It doesn't take a genius to see what the ACGME is dong though. They wouldn't be saying no to AOA fellowships if they knew they were quality. It is a step in the wrong direction.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
Yes we know and I am sure people want to read through 12 pages. It doesn't take a genius to see what the ACGME is dong though. They wouldn't be saying no to AOA fellowships if they knew they were quality. It is a step in the wrong direction.
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What is your understanding of this legislation? The wording in your post is a little funny.
 
angldrps said:
Is this really true?
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The REAL answer is that nobody knows for sure, and it will likely never happen even if it gets suggested. When we are talking about a proposal that would cause literally thousands of DO graduates every year to not have a residency position, something would be done to stop it..in my opinion at least. That is a far cry from the legislation proposed right now.

Some of you on here seem so sure that this is the next step..but I'm in no way convinced. The ACGME isn't saying that our graduates are not as qualified, they are hinting that our GME may not be up to standard across the board. This is an important distinction.

I do agree that the AOA needs to get it's act together when it comes to GME.
 
Dissected said:
The REAL answer is that nobody knows for sure, and it will likely never happen even if it gets suggested. When we are talking about a proposal that would cause literally thousands of DO graduates every year to not have a residency position, something would be done to stop it..in my opinion at least. That is a far cry from the legislation proposed right now.

Some of you on here seem so sure that this is the next step..but I'm in no way convinced. The ACGME isn't saying that our graduates are not as qualified, they are hinting that our GME may not be up to standard across the board. This is an important distinction.

I do agree that the AOA needs to get it's act together when it comes to GME.
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Current ACGME policy debating and rules aside, it seems to be the natural progression as new MD schools are created, current MD schools are expanding, and residency spots remain relatively stagnant.
 
Dissected said:
What is your understanding of this legislation? The wording in your post is a little funny.
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oops. i mean AOA residencies. My understanding is that ACGME is basically saying "hey, some of your residencies suck and because you guys aren't doing anything about it, you can't go to our fellowships because we aren't sure if your residents will be quality."
 
DrBowtie said:
Current ACGME policy debating and rules aside, it seems to be the natural progression as new MD schools are created, current MD schools are expanding, and residency spots remain relatively stagnant.
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Will DO students be nudged out of positions by more MD students? Certainly. Will there be an outright ban? Nobody can know. It's all a guess.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
oops. i mean AOA residencies. My understanding is that ACGME is basically saying "hey, some of your residencies suck and because you guys aren't doing anything about it, you can't go to our fellowships because we aren't sure if your residents will be quality."
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To add - You would not be able to do an AOA intern year and then start a PGY-2 position in an ACGME program

Just so everyone is clear, this has not passed yet. It's still up in the air.
 
serenade said:
This to also compound the fact that DO schools are going to sooner or later probably be blocked from most or the majority of ACGME residencies as the ACGME is already beginning to label DO training as inferior.
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Very broad statement that needs clarification.

They aren't labeling "DO training" as inferior (especially considering that some DO's go to ACGME residencies). They may be saying that some AOA residencies aren't up to par with their own training standards.

They may also just be trying to centralize the system. If you wan't to do an ACGME fellowship, you need to do an ACGME residency. Seems logical to me. It doesn't necessarily say anything about training standards.

Also, your statement about DO's being blocked from ACGME holds no water so please don't implant a statement like this into these naive pre-meds.
 
Dissected said:
The REAL answer is that nobody knows for sure, and it will likely never happen even if it gets suggested. When we are talking about a proposal that would cause literally thousands of DO graduates every year to not have a residency position, something would be done to stop it..in my opinion at least. That is a far cry from the legislation proposed right now.

Some of you on here seem so sure that this is the next step..but I'm in no way convinced. The ACGME isn't saying that our graduates are not as qualified, they are hinting that our GME may not be up to standard across the board. This is an important distinction.

I do agree that the AOA needs to get it's act together when it comes to GME.
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Completely agree here. I'll hold onto my optimism until I see evidence steering me otherwise.

At this point, I've just seen people say that it's going to pass. Why do you think that? The fact that this has been going on for over a year makes me think the AOA is putting up a pretty good fight. Of course it could have other implications as well.
 
I could be completely wrong on this one, but I don't think it will pass. I think eventually theyll work out some sort of compromise or something. I think theres way too many people against it for it to pass. but hey you never know.
 
Life Sucks said:
Wow, this doctor shortage must be getting serious?
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michow87 said:
The doctor shortage is a pretty serious issue. I hope that more residencies are also made available to accommodate the increase in medical students!
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There's no shortage. There's distribution issues.

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oms2 said:
the acgme proposal which is still being debated would apply only to fellowships, not residencies.
the primary intent is to prevent foreign-trained doctors from entering acgme fellowships directly from foreign residencies.
the acgme has clearly stated that it has nothing to do with the type of medical degree: "It is important to note that the proposals will NOT exclude any person with current eligibility for ACGME-accredited training due to the type of undergraduate medical education."
there is an ongoing discussion on this at http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=862903
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It's a slippery slope from now on though. Also it applies to PGY-2 residencies like PM&R which requires an intern year.
 
Mbeas said:
Very broad statement that needs clarification.

They aren't labeling "DO training" as inferior (especially considering that some DO's go to ACGME residencies). They may be saying that some AOA residencies aren't up to par with their own training standards.

They may also just be trying to centralize the system. If you wan't to do an ACGME fellowship, you need to do an ACGME residency. Seems logical to me. It doesn't necessarily say anything about training standards.

Also, your statement about DO's being blocked from ACGME holds no water so please don't implant a statement like this into these naive pre-meds.
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+1
I am really glad you cleared this up.
 
Mbeas said:
Completely agree here. I'll hold onto my optimism until I see evidence steering me otherwise.

At this point, I've just seen people say that it's going to pass. Why do you think that? The fact that this has been going on for over a year makes me think the AOA is putting up a pretty good fight. Of course it could have other implications as well.
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I'm a doom and gloom type of guy. While right now the question is based on AOA residencies, I'm not doubtful that sooner or later the question will turn to COCA's standards, Neo-Caribean Schools ( For-Profits), and whether or not the LCME should be the sole accrediting body in the US and Canada.
 
Mbeas said:
Completely agree here. I'll hold onto my optimism until I see evidence steering me otherwise.

At this point, I've just seen people say that it's going to pass. Why do you think that? The fact that this has been going on for over a year makes me think the AOA is putting up a pretty good fight. Of course it could have other implications as well.
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The word on the street at my school is that it has basically already passed, but they are just waiting for the next board meeting to make it official. We were also told that in 2016 the number of US graduates will exceed the number of residencies. Who knows if this stuff is true or just rumors, but It's what we've been told.
 
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cliquesh said:
The word on the street at my school is that it has basically already passed, but they are just waiting for the next board meeting to make it official. We were also told that in 2016 the number of US graduates will exceed the number of residencies. Who knows if this stuff is true or just rumors, but It's what we've been told.
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I thought it was 2018-2020.
 
I recall being told it was going to be 2016 as well as a 2nd year in a talk about ERAS but I guess we can all agree it is fairly soon.
 
cliquesh said:
The word on the street at my school is that it has basically already passed, but they are just waiting for the next board meeting to make it official. We were also told that in 2016 the number of US graduates will exceed the number of residencies. Who knows if this stuff is true or just rumors, but It's what we've been told.
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What we've been told, based on an update from the most recent AOA conference a few weeks ago is that no decision has been made, and that the AOA president is pretty certain that the measure will not pass.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
oops. i mean AOA residencies. My understanding is that ACGME is basically saying "hey, some of your residencies suck and because you guys aren't doing anything about it, you can't go to our fellowships because we aren't sure if your residents will be quality."
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This gentleman is correct. Or at least this is understanding
 
MedPR said:
There's no shortage. There's distribution issues.

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Nope. There are distribution issues, but there is a net shortage as well.
 
So is healthcare screwed; am I wasting my time studying to get into this profession....
So is the shortaged more affecting primary care going to low income neighborhoods, like how pharmicist don't want to work in the "hood". Or is it all of healthcare that is short of physicians. I thought also, that there's a huge debate on giving NP's powers to fix this, will this hurt us as well? I can see how the number of surgeons or short because of the schooling it takes to be one.
 
cliquesh said:
The word on the street at my school is that it has basically already passed, but they are just waiting for the next board meeting to make it official.
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SLC said:
What we've been told, based on an update from the most recent AOA conference a few weeks ago is that no decision has been made, and that the AOA president is pretty certain that the measure will not pass.
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So, in other words, nobody knows what the **** is going on.
 
cliquesh said:
The word on the street at my school is that it has basically already passed, but they are just waiting for the next board meeting to make it official. We were also told that in 2016 the number of US graduates will exceed the number of residencies. Who knows if this stuff is true or just rumors, but It's what we've been told.
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I don't buy either of those statements. We wont even see the effect of new schools till 2017 and on.
 
ColeSmalls said:
I don't buy either of those statements. We wont even see the effect of new schools till 2017 and on.
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Isn't it great being in the class of 2017, Smalls? Not as great as it would be to be in the class of 2016, but definitely better than being in the class of 2018.
 
In 2011, approximately 5700 students matriculated to DO programs and 19000 to MD programs. Between 2012 and 2014, 15 new DO and MD programs are launching. If we assume that each school will marticulate an average of 200 students, that's another 3000 more students. Therefore, my 2018, the number of US medical graduate (md and do) will be around 27700.

https://www.aamc.org/download/161128/data/table1.pdf
http://www.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Documents/2013cib/2013CIB_whole_web.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_schools_in_the_United_States

OK, how many residencies spots are there?
Excluding traditional internships, there were ~2070 DO residency spots and a little more than 23000 MD ones. That's a little over 25000 spots. Also, about 500 med students match through military residencies, 250 urology, and ophthalmology residency spots (I don't know how many). So, the total number of available residency spots, as of now, is approximately 26000.

http://www.nrmp.org/data/resultsanddata2012.pdf
http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/stats/2012prgstats.html

This shows that by 2018, the US medical graduates (MD + DO) will exceed the total residency positions by 1000. However, I didn't account for 2% attrition, those who don't pursue medicine, and those who do residencies in other countries. On the other hand, I also didn't account for IMG's and FMG's.

Bottom line, we are screwed.
 
rcheech7 said:
I dunno the article makes it seem like its with SUU.

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/...chool-open?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

"Brennan Wood, director of Economic Development for Iron County and Cedar City, said the school would be called the Southern Utah College of Osteopathic Medicine. The initial efforts to establish the school, he said, were the result of a collaboration between the city, community business leaders and representatives from Southern Utah University because they were aware of a severe shortage of physicians in Utah."
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So I was searching for more stuff about this school, and I came across that article. It's a 2 page article so I can see how you may have missed it but the last paragraph on the last page states explicitly that the school will in fact be private and will not be officially affiliated with SUU.

That and the fact that they're using RVU as a consultant doesn't bode well for this being a not-for-profit school. I really really hope that isn't the case.

The 2nd page does however mention that they already have folks examining places to establish residency programs. So at least there's that.
 
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I know the trend for building med schools has been under the idea of addressing the physician shortage but as someone else mentioned, wouldn't it be a better use of money to compete for med graduates with good residency spots instead? Seems like it would be just as cost effective and certainly more effective in addressing physician shortage issues.
 
Jesus christ, I thought I had seen it all. Now we've got freaking CITY DEVELOPMENT COUNCILS starting new medical schools. At least in the past all these crappy programs had a crappy university to back them up and there were some MDs who spearheaded the effort. Now it's just businessmen doing it by themselves. What a joke!

Let me guess, this beautiful city in southern utah has a 25 bed community hospital where these med students will get "core clinical training" and then they'll have to spend every month rotating thru 12 or more rural states in crappy primary care offices with 1 doctor who got his MD 50 years ago to round things out. LMAO!

10 years ago when this whole med school expansion craze started, at least 90% of the programs were backed up by universities who had been in existence for several decades. As this thing has continued to grow, however, all of the new schools are being created by scratch with no academic credentials or expertise to back them.

It's here folks, I never thought I'd say this, but we OFFICIALLY have a med school BUBBLE!
 
Socrates25 said:
Jesus christ, I thought I had seen it all. Now we've got freaking CITY DEVELOPMENT COUNCILS starting new medical schools. At least in the past all these crappy programs had a crappy university to back them up and there were some MDs who spearheaded the effort. Now it's just businessmen doing it by themselves. What a joke!

Let me guess, this beautiful city in southern utah has a 25 bed community hospital where these med students will get "core clinical training" and then they'll have to spend every month rotating thru 12 or more rural states in crappy primary care offices with 1 doctor who got his MD 50 years ago to round things out. LMAO!

10 years ago when this whole med school expansion craze started, at least 90% of the programs were backed up by universities who had been in existence for several decades. As this thing has continued to grow, however, all of the new schools are being created by scratch with no academic credentials or expertise to back them.

It's here folks, I never thought I'd say this, but we OFFICIALLY have a med school BUBBLE!
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I promise I'm not trying detract from your statements in the first two paragraphs but the bolded statement is way off. All three schools opening up next fall are affiliated with established universities and/or have plenty of expertise involved.
 
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