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CCCN2 said:
no - seriously

Why is it that the only thing people talk about on this pre-dent forum is money and debt (how much will I make? What is my starting salary? I don't want to own a practice or deal with people - how much $$$ will I get)

Seriously? You go over to the premed forum, and the people are talking about research NIH funding, clerkships and interesting information, etc

Really makes me wonder about the caliber of students going into the dental field (med school rejects), and their motivations

If my above statement pisses you off - well then, you're part of the problem, or you're looking at his with rose-colored-glasses
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Let me break it down for you like this. $250,000-$450,000. That's how much we will all owe before ever picking up a handpiece to make a living. So if you see conversation about debt be happy. It means that we aren't going into this blindly. We are actually thinking about it. If you are investing hundreds of thousand of dollars you better know what your ROI will be. Dentistry is just as much of a business as it is a health service. Know what you are getting yourself into. Have a game plan.
 
You and I aren't reading the same pre-med forum.

These are the titles of the first few threads I see:

pre-allo
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Should I use my saving or take out 100% loan?
Should I omit this from my personal statement?
Why did my app cycle so poorly?
usc keck full tuition scholarship vs harvard
Random periods of reduced spelling ability

pre-dent
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The future of dentistry
***TMDSAS 2016***
Help me with my personal statement!!
Choosing only one school by April 1?
Should I even try anymore...Any similar experience or success stories? Suggestions?



Nice try OP


If you are interested in reading anything of substance, then just head over to dentaltown. Pre-ANYTHING is just neuroticism
 
CCCN2 said:
Why don't I see people on the preallo forum stressing out as this forum then? Yes, threads on debt pop up there too - but I swear there's a "how much you make after graduating" or "1st year salary" thread that pops up here every damn week. It's infuriating.

It's clear to me what everyone on this predent forum values. Almost makes me wish tuition would skyrocket to 800k so all you f**ks wouldn't apply. You're the reason why everyone says dentists scam them, always trying to turn a quick buck.
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Wait. Are you seriously generalizing everyone based on some posts that say "How much money will I make?"

Lol you won't win this argument, my friend.
 
In the real world money matters, what comes in, what goes out, balancing it, etc.

Here's a way you could reword you question and get some perspective - "Why is it that the only thing dental school board members talk about is money, quotas, and budgets (how much can we raise tuition? What can we expand out class sizes to so we can make bring in more money? We don't want to hire more faculty to meet class size demand or pay faculty more money - how much $$$ will our salaries be?)

Weather you like it or not dental schools are businesses, dentistry is a business, even if you work in a community health clinic, it's still a business. Do you think dental schools charge $63,000/yr in tuition as a service? But by all means, work your ass off in undergrad living on a college student's budget, then work your ass off more for 4 years in dental school, get $400k in debt to eat ramen and live under a bridge for the rest of your life so you can pay for everyone else to get free dentistry. There's nothing wrong with wanting a return on investment for years of hard work and sacrifice.
 
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As for the real answer: I am well read in both subforums and I have made an entirely different observation. It is generally assumed among pre-meds on, but also off SDN, that an MD degree entitles them to a certain standard of living. In fact, people in the medical forums of SDN are almost paranoid about the possibility of their incomes ever going down, even by a minuscule amount! (which is understandable given that they planned their life around the assumption that their finances are going to remain static; and who cares that the government is going bankrupt over healthcare?) Just look at how often somebody there threatens to leave medicine altogether if the government/insurance cut their reimbursements.

Now, the type of financial questions that get asked in the dental forums are always about practical matters of dentistry (the how-to's of running a practice/becoming successful). I don't believe anybody on here thinks that life is going to be cut out for them just because they get that dental degree. It is understood among dentists that they have to compete in the free-market (not in some protected market of guaranteed reimbursements). So by asking these questions, people are preparing themselves for the realities of making it in America as a dentist/or in fact any business owner, which is not something that physicians have to concern themselves with.
 
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CCCN2 said:
no - seriously

Why is it that the only thing people talk about on this pre-dent forum is money and debt (how much will I make? What is my starting salary? I don't want to own a practice or deal with people - how much $$$ will I get)

Seriously? You go over to the premed forum, and the people are talking about research NIH funding, clerkships and interesting information, etc

Really makes me wonder about the caliber of students going into the dental field (med school rejects), and their motivations

If my above statement pisses you off - well then, you're part of the problem, or you're looking at his with rose-colored-glasses
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NIH funding has been discussed on this forum inside threads, not necessarily in its own threads. Though there is dental research going on, I'm sure you won't disagree with me that medical research is more prevalent to the general public and appears more in the news.
Clerkships I guess would be similar to dental rotations and specialties? Lol people discuss this **** ALL THE TIME.
Interesting information I guess is your own opinion. If you don't think discussing the field of dentistry is interesting, you're probably in the wrong part of SDN so you may as well go lurk somewhere else.
The pre-dental portion, from what I've seen, consists mostly of friendly pre-dents and dental students helping each other out with questions. If you disagree with that statement - well then, you're part of the problem, or you're looking at this with tunnel vision to nitpick threads you don't like.
 
CCCN2 said:
no - seriously

Why is it that the only thing people talk about on this pre-dent forum is money and debt (how much will I make? What is my starting salary? I don't want to own a practice or deal with people - how much $$$ will I get)

Seriously? You go over to the premed forum, and the people are talking about research NIH funding, clerkships and interesting information, etc

Really makes me wonder about the caliber of students going into the dental field (med school rejects), and their motivations

If my above statement pisses you off - well then, you're part of the problem, or you're looking at his with rose-colored-glasses
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:laugh:
 
CCCN2 said:
Why don't I see people on the preallo forum stressing out as this forum then? Yes, threads on debt pop up there too - but I swear there's a "how much you make after graduating" or "1st year salary" thread that pops up here every damn week. It's infuriating.

It's clear to me what everyone on this predent forum values. Almost makes me wish tuition would skyrocket to 800k so all you f**ks wouldn't apply. You're the reason why everyone says dentists scam them, always trying to turn a quick buck.
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Tell me, child, who hurt you?
 
LOL the OP must be joking.

There are countless discussion on premed forum regarding socialist ObamaNoCare, rapid rising of NP and PA and how their scope is wider than their education, and how the salary of physicians stagnate.
 
Mascota said:
In the real world money matters, what comes in, what goes out, balancing it, etc.
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I would like to nominate this for the SD quote of the day!

Like it or not money is a tool that can used or abused by you. --OR-- You can be used or abused by money.
Best figure out where you stand on that little puzzle, early on in the game.
 
Hahaha OP hasn't responded.. Classic.. He was obviously trolling, just trying to start an argument..

And if he wasn't, then he made my day by making me laugh
 
??? Sure there's some discussion of debt and money, but to go as far as to say that's ALL people talk about on here is a generalization. Of course people will bring up money from time to time, though. It's a legitimate concern for anyone pursuing professional school.
 
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