12 weeks definitely better than 6 weeks of study?

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I'm on track for 6 weeks of study now--that's all the time there is between finals and start of 3rd year--but there are ways I can be behind for one rotation in 3rd year since there are so many breaks during 4th year, allowing me to study for an extra 6 weeks perhaps. I'm not a very strong student normally, and think the extra time will be beneficial in helping me achieve the >250 score I need for surgery.

Is it generally accepted that the more time to study, the better you'll do, as long as you still keep almost as focused?
 
I'm on track for 6 weeks of study now--that's all the time there is between finals and start of 3rd year--but there are ways I can be behind for one rotation in 3rd year since there are so many breaks during 4th year, allowing me to study for an extra 6 weeks perhaps. I'm not a very strong student normally, and think the extra time will be beneficial in helping me achieve the >250 score I need for surgery.

Is it generally accepted that the more time to study, the better you'll do, as long as you still keep almost as focused?

The more you study, the more you learn. You also don't need anywhere near a 250 for surgery.
 
The more you study, the more you learn.

I dont completely agree. If you are at a US Allo school, that 6 weeks should be plenty. I'd argue that you could burn out and/or start to forget what you learned earlier.

Your school probably only gives you X amt of time because they feel like that should be all you need. I'm sure if your peers from previous years were getting below average scores, they'd change the schedule accordingly.

Do you have to make this decision now? You could start studying/reviewing.. take an NBME to gauge where you are, then make the final call.

Oh, it also REALLY sucks when everyone else has taken the test and are celebrating being done [and later their great scores] while you are still preparing.
 
The longer you wait after finishing basic sciences, the less likely you will do any better (after 4-6 weeks).

The people I know who did the best either took it right away or waited a maximum of 6-8 weeks.
 
Everyone will tell you something different about prep time. You know if you're a good crammer or someone who needs information pounded into them 5x before it sticks. I'm definitely the latter. There are some studs out there that just need 4 weeks, FA, and UW and can score 250+. I don't think the Step I is the time to find out if I'm an SDN stud. I'll take as much time as they give me. If you stay focused and productive your potential score can only go up. Look back into the any of the step I experience threads. People with some of the highest scores started prepping jan/feb for their june/july test dates.
 
I'm in the same boat as str8flexed. Im an average student at an average medical school. Everybody at my school takes 4-6 weeks, which explains why we never do well on the boards. Their argument is that if you take more than 6 weeks you are going to forget everything. I disagree. Common sense tells you that the more you study, the better you do.

My plan:

Do a complete review for the boards in 6 weeks as if Im taking it and then do the same review all over again the second 6 weeks. That way you dont forget. What do you guys think? Is that a good study plan?
 
I'm in the same boat as str8flexed. Im an average student at an average medical school. Everybody at my school takes 4-6 weeks, which explains why we never do well on the boards. Their argument is that if you take more than 6 weeks you are going to forget everything. I disagree. Common sense tells you that the more you study, the better you do.

While your common sense may tell you more time is better, it's wrong (provided you went to a US school and were actually exposed to these concepts before). Based on data my school has collected, we do best when we take the boards after 4-6 weeks of studying. Otherwise, you rapidly lose the info you have been cramming. The idea is to peak when you take the test.
 
I've been studying for a while now. I reviewed every basic subject several times. Sure, I forget stuff but I find that each time I return to a subject I learn something new AND I find that I've retained more than I did the previous round. You should get advice from lots of people but just know yourself. For example, I know I've never been great at cramming so I decided long ago to have a prolonged low intensity regimen. Cramming is more of a task for your short term memory but learning is a slightly different phenomenon.

Right now I'm 3 1/2 weeks out and I scored 260 on my last UW self assessment a week ago. I'm going to get back into "cram" mode next week so I can "peak" on test day. I think the longer study period has worked for me because I've seen everything so many times I rarely second guess myself. Thats just my two cents.
 
I've been studying for a while now. I reviewed every basic subject several times. Sure, I forget stuff but I find that each time I return to a subject I learn something new AND I find that I've retained more than I did the previous round. You should get advice from lots of people but just know yourself. For example, I know I've never been great at cramming so I decided long ago to have a prolonged low intensity regimen. Cramming is more of a task for your short term memory but learning is a slightly different phenomenon.

Right now I'm 3 1/2 weeks out and I scored 260 on my last UW self assessment a week ago. I'm going to get back into "cram" mode next week so I can "peak" on test day. I think the longer study period has worked for me because I've seen everything so many times I rarely second guess myself. Thats just my two cents.

Why do I read about so many people's test dates in the winter or spring?
What medical school do people go to that lets you take the step during
Jan-April?
 
A below average or average student can NOT take 4-6 wks and get a 250. Period. Don't let your ego get in the way, not possible. Take 12 wks, use the first half to do Kaplan, the second half for USMLE World.
 
I dont completely agree. If you are at a US Allo school, that 6 weeks should be plenty. I'd argue that you could burn out and/or start to forget what you learned earlier.

I never really understood this argument. If anything, it reinforces the idea of studying for longer. If you study longer, you go over the material several times. I'm taking 3 months to do Taus' plan, which involves going over everything 4 times. Meaning, the stuff I studied March 3rd, I'll see again in a few days... and then a few more weeks down the road... etc. If you only study for 6 weeks, then you're probably only going to see the material once or twice. And with that plan, you're more likely to forget the material you saw at the beginning.

As for burnout, you're right. That is a bit of a problem. However, you just have to be aware of it and take breaks. If you study for 3 months, you're much more likely study 6 days a week and spend one day of the week doing something fun... And then when you return to studying, your motivation will be back and your mind will be refreshed. I don't know about you, but if I only had 6 weeks to study I would be so nervous the entire time that I would be afraid to spend a day doing something fun.

But everyone has their own styles and goals I suppose.
 
I guess I'll have to pull out my school facts to prove my point: We only get 5 weeks, most people take 3 so they have a vacation. Last year class average = 238, standard deviation 15. Therefore a solid number of people were above 250 with only 3 weeks of studying.
 
I guess I'll have to pull out my school facts to prove my point: We only get 5 weeks, most people take 3 so they have a vacation. Last year class average = 238, standard deviation 15. Therefore a solid number of people were above 250 with only 3 weeks of studying.

You must be joking about that average. Are you aware that the national average is supposed to be 220 with a SD of 20? What school do you go to?
 
You must be joking about that average. Are you aware that the national average is supposed to be 220 with a SD of 20? What school do you go to?

Where I go isn't the point... I'm just showing that it is possible to do very well without dedicating a year to prep for step 1.
 
A below average or average student can NOT take 4-6 wks and get a 250. Period. Don't let your ego get in the way, not possible. Take 12 wks, use the first half to do Kaplan, the second half for USMLE World.

Agreed. And really, why not just spend a few hours doing problems. If you destroy them, study 6 weeks. If you do crappy, study 12.

I find the more times I have gone through material, the faster I go through it and retain it, making my cram sessions much more pleasant.
 
I guess I'll have to pull out my school facts to prove my point: We only get 5 weeks, most people take 3 so they have a vacation. Last year class average = 238, standard deviation 15. Therefore a solid number of people were above 250 with only 3 weeks of studying.

If I am guessing what school you go to correctly, last year was a 10 point aberration for you guys. Every other year was mid 220s.

Regardless, it still holds fast to the idea that 12 weeks of intense studying is way too much and 4-6 is plenty.

I have already gone through studying and taking step 1 and did very well. I used 33 days. By a few days before the exam I felt material was pouring out faster than I could put it in. Had I studied longer I would have most likely done worse.

There is a window period where you should take the exam, beyond that you are going to hit diminishing returns or worse you may actually decrease your score. Do whatever you want but dont say I didnt tell you.

Plus, if you are an average or below average student, in most cases no matter what you do you are not going to hit that magic 240 mark.
 
Dont believe that... it can be done. I hope to prove that point in the next month.
 
I never really understood this argument. If anything, it reinforces the idea of studying for longer. If you study longer, you go over the material several times. I'm taking 3 months to do Taus' plan, which involves going over everything 4 times. Meaning, the stuff I studied March 3rd, I'll see again in a few days... and then a few more weeks down the road... etc. If you only study for 6 weeks, then you're probably only going to see the material once or twice. And with that plan, you're more likely to forget the material you saw at the beginning.

As for burnout, you're right. That is a bit of a problem. However, you just have to be aware of it and take breaks. If you study for 3 months, you're much more likely study 6 days a week and spend one day of the week doing something fun... And then when you return to studying, your motivation will be back and your mind will be refreshed. I don't know about you, but if I only had 6 weeks to study I would be so nervous the entire time that I would be afraid to spend a day doing something fun.

But everyone has their own styles and goals I suppose.

It seems like most schools stick to the 4-6 week allotted study plan, and want their students to do well so it must be sufficient. If you study too far ahead of time you're probably going to be compromising your grades in your classes, or memorizing facts too early that you aren't going to remember. Also, we've all "seen" the majority of this information during classes anyways. Reviewing for boards (in theory), should be mostly that - a review.
 
There is a myth commonly perpetuated in the Experiences threads that "anyone" can get a 240+ score with hard work and dedication. That, unlike the MCAT, you can achieve an "SDN score" on hard work alone. IE your score will be proportional to the total hours you spend studying.

Sadly, this is not true. The "look at me, I honored zero classes, scored a 26 on the MCAT and got a 255" stories are inspiring but are almost always exceptions. They are usually bright kids who didn't study enough, weren't interested enough, had personal issues, etc going on before that test.

The truth is (and I observed this with my own scores and amongst my friends) most people begin to peak around week 4-5. The additional time spent will definitely improve your knowledge base but you will see diminishing returns on your scores.

Ie if you score a 227 on week 4 and a 231 on week 5 NBMEs, you are unlikely to hit the 250 mark. Period. So decide how many additional weeks of your life you are willing to sacrifice for those 9 or 10 extra points.

I'd say if you are an "average" student at an "average" school (in terms of curriculum quality), take 6-7 weeks. If you are on target for AOA at UCSF without studying by all means take it in 3 weeks. If you go to a random school in the boonies where they fail to teach you the core stuff effectively, take 3 months.
 
A below average or average student can NOT take 4-6 wks and get a 250. Period. Don't let your ego get in the way, not possible. Take 12 wks, use the first half to do Kaplan, the second half for USMLE World.
I am a average or below average student, and I got a 248 with 5.5 weeks.
 
I'm on track for 6 weeks of study now--that's all the time there is between finals and start of 3rd year--but there are ways I can be behind for one rotation in 3rd year since there are so many breaks during 4th year, allowing me to study for an extra 6 weeks perhaps. I'm not a very strong student normally, and think the extra time will be beneficial in helping me achieve the >250 score I need for surgery.

Is it generally accepted that the more time to study, the better you'll do, as long as you still keep almost as focused?

NO no no no NO!

Believe me, whether or not your realize it, or admit it to yourself, theres a limit to how much you can retain. You will forget the first things you reviewed.

6 weeks is great... 12 weeks is too long...

Do practice questions, you'll see your scores increase and then plateau off. If you really concentrate, that will happen in a month, maybe two... after that, you're just recycling neural connections.

Frank Starling hypothesis.... it gets better to a point, where it fails.
 
Its interesting how there are a select few members that are adamant with regard to the 4-6 week plan. Medicine is understanding, and not rote memorization. I highly doubt you will gain the understanding necessary to do well in 4-6 weeks.

In my opinion a great score is something anyone can attain, as long as they work for it and understand all the concepts. I haven't taken the test yet, so I can't attest with 100% certainty, but the test is unlike what most of us are used to. The more you are comfortable with it, the better you will likely do. Its up to you to study and make the best of it.
 
Its interesting how there are a select few members that are adamant with regard to the 4-6 week plan. Medicine is understanding, and not rote memorization. I highly doubt you will gain the understanding necessary to do well in 4-6 weeks.

In my opinion a great score is something anyone can attain, as long as they work for it and understand all the concepts. I haven't taken the test yet, so I can't attest with 100% certainty, but the test is unlike what most of us are used to. The more you are comfortable with it, the better you will likely do. Its up to you to study and make the best of it.


No, you gained that understanding during your first two years of medical school.

The 4-6 weeks is to put it all together, and cram some things that are actually rote memorization. There is enough rote memorization where if you aren't good at memorizing stuff, you'll forget it if your preparation drags on too long.

I still remember from my Step1 nearly 2 years ago... I had a question that simply wanted to know what demographic group is at risk for infection with a particular micro-organism. All I knew is, that I knew exactly what it was 7 weeks prior, and didnt know it for the test.
 
Medicine is understanding, and not rote memorization. I highly doubt you will gain the understanding necessary to do well in 4-6 weeks.

Learning medicine involves understanding; boards studying involves large volume memorization and assumes you already have the bulk of the understanding part down.

You don't "learn" the concepts and basic principles for boards in 4-6 weeks - that's what you spend the first 2 years of med school doing. It is with that foundation that you go into boards studying and basically cram your head full of facts until you are about to explode.

You are right that you definitely can't gain the understanding necessary to do well in 4-6 weeks; but you can't gain it in 12 weeks either. That's why we go to school and work hard for 2 years first. And that's why many are saying not to study much longer than a month - there is only so much cramming a person can handle.

And for the record, I would agree that for the average med student, 4-6 weeks is about the max before you reach a point of diminishing returns. A top-20 med school dean told me they deliberately only give their students 6 weeks off because they've seen over the years that after that point students tend to struggle and get overly-anxious without doing noticeably better.


I haven't taken the test yet, so I can't attest with 100% certainty, but the test is unlike what most of us are used to. The more you are comfortable with it, the better you will likely do. Its up to you to study and make the best of it.

Not trying to sound uppity - but this is something you can't really conjecture about without having gone through the experience.
 
Its interesting how there are a select few members that are adamant with regard to the 4-6 week plan. Medicine is understanding, and not rote memorization. I highly doubt you will gain the understanding necessary to do well in 4-6 weeks.

In my opinion a great score is something anyone can attain, as long as they work for it and understand all the concepts. I haven't taken the test yet, so I can't attest with 100% certainty, but the test is unlike what most of us are used to. The more you are comfortable with it, the better you will likely do. Its up to you to study and make the best of it.

If this is true, then why do most medical schools seem to recommend that students study for ~6weeks?
 
While your common sense may tell you more time is better, it's wrong (provided you went to a US school and were actually exposed to these concepts before)..................
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...............If you go to a random school in the boonies where they fail to teach you the core stuff effectively, take 3 months.





..............Reviewing for boards (in theory), should be mostly that - a review.
See the post I quoted above this one. And so in situations like that, it is a "theory".
 
Is there anyone from a US school here who has taken it and feels it is better to take >6 weeks to study?
 
In my opinion a great score is something anyone can attain, as long as they work for it and understand all the concepts. I haven't taken the test yet, so I can't attest with 100% certainty, but the test is unlike what most of us are used to. The more you are comfortable with it, the better you will likely do. Its up to you to study and make the best of it.

This is absolutely not true. In fact one of the toughest things people cope with is the fact that their question bank scores plateau after a while. They'll study hard core for a full 2 weeks and note negligible improvement on their qbank scores.

Not everyone can get a 260. It just seems that way on SDN because only the happy people like to brag.
 
This is absolutely not true. In fact one of the toughest things people cope with is the fact that their question bank scores plateau after a while. They'll study hard core for a full 2 weeks and note negligible improvement on their qbank scores.

Not everyone can get a 260. It just seems that way on SDN because only the happy people like to brag.

yup
 
12 weeks is better. Here are my remarks.

1. Yes, absolutely you will forget material. HOWEVER, you can prevent this by studying in 6 week blocks. On the second 6th weeks do exactly what you would have done if you only had 6 weeks. Your basically starting from scratch or studying for the boards twice. It's like watching a movie. Each time you watch a movie over again, you pick up something else that you didn't see the first time.

2. It allows you to do both Kaplan and USMLE World more thoroughly. If you only had 6 weeks, you would have to rush through 5,300 questions, never having time to process it into long-term memory. With 12 weeks, you can do both.

3. The argument that you peak is a valid one too. But this can be prevented by easy planning. As along as you plan to peak at 12 wks instead of 6, its fine.

4. The idea that "everybody" takes 6 weeks is a faulty one. The boards is essentially a curved test, so if everybody takes 6 weeks, then most likely you also we be like everybody else, and get the same score (unless your super bright) There are only 24 hrs in day, and everybody uses most of them, so you simply just don't have enough time to gain any ground.

5. Another point I want to make is that don't always listen to your Dean's office or professors. When did they take the Boards? If they are like mine, then probably in 1967.

6. Final point: Burnout is mental. Mentally prepare yourself to do it, and you can do it. Otherwise, take a one week break and go to Rio de janeiro.
 
12 weeks is better. Here are my remarks.

1. Yes, absolutely you will forget material. HOWEVER, you can prevent this by studying in 6 week blocks. On the second 6th weeks do exactly what you would have done if you only had 6 weeks. Your basically starting from scratch or studying for the boards twice. It's like watching a movie. Each time you watch a movie over again, you pick up something else that you didn't see the first time.

2. It allows you to do both Kaplan and USMLE World more thoroughly. If you only had 6 weeks, you would have to rush through 5,300 questions, never having time to process it into long-term memory. With 12 weeks, you can do both.

3. The argument that you peak is a valid one too. But this can be prevented by easy planning. As along as you plan to peak at 12 wks instead of 6, its fine.

4. The idea that "everybody" takes 6 weeks is a faulty one. The boards is essentially a curved test, so if everybody takes 6 weeks, then most likely you also we be like everybody else, and get the same score (unless your super bright) There are only 24 hrs in day, and everybody uses most of them, so you simply just don't have enough time to gain any ground.

5. Another point I want to make is that don't always listen to your Dean's office or professors. When did they take the Boards? If they are like mine, then probably in 1967.

6. Final point: Burnout is mental. Mentally prepare yourself to do it, and you can do it. Otherwise, take a one week break and go to Rio de janeiro.

I have a feeling nothing is going to change the 12 weeker's minds until after they take the boards. Notice that no one who has taken it from a US school is advocating more than 6 weeks. There's a reason for that.

1) much of the boards is stuff you just wont remember. You retain that info better with a short burst of studying where it is relatively fresh in your mind. 12 weeks of studying doesnt let this happen. You will lose a lot of information

2) All you really need is Uworld. If you do questions every night you can get through all of Uworld in 4-6 weeks.

3) We have people who want to use longer to study for the boards. W/o having gone through the ordeal of the boards, it seems like a good idea; the longer you spend the more you can go through. However, you are going to quickly reach the point where you hit diminishing returns and then the point where your score markedly decreases. If you want to waste your summer be my guest but it is not going to markedly change your score

4) The boards are a curved test because some people have a higher aptitude than others. Similarly, everyone has the same amt of time to study for your school's tests but the scores vary along a nl distribution (or something close to a nl distribution)

5) my school's 'dean' writes some of the books you will be using to study and is also an editor of another 'review' book that you will be using. She does an absolute ton of actual research on this and has specifically told us when the ideal window is. That window does not extend past about 5.5 weeks.

6) Burnout is mental- ie when you cannot retain information as well and you're just spinning your wheels in the mud. I needed a month to get unburnt out

I'll say it again- not everyone can get that magical 240. Some people will put in their full effort and still only pull a 210
 
I have a feeling nothing is going to change the 12 weeker's minds until after they take the boards. Notice that no one who has taken it from a US school is advocating more than 6 weeks. There's a reason for that.

I go to a US school, and took 12wks to be exact. My qbank scores did not plateau throughout my prep, but kept rising until the last week. The idea that you start forgetting the stuff you went over in the first week was not an issue because i kept doing random-q tests from day 1 (so i kept getting re-exposed to the same questions/concepts throughout my prep, just being presented in a different way every time - which helped immensely with consolidating information). I used the 12wks to use the largest number of resources possible (qbanks, review books, NBME tests etc) as opposed to re-reading the same resources (be it FA or UW) several times. The information that I have acquired (and maintained) through my intense prep for Step I has helped me tremendously on the wards.

like somebody said earlier, I don't think that there is a magic number of wks of prep, or an "all-you-need" resource. we all have different weakness (as far as subjects for step I are concerned) and we learn and retain information in different ways. so people should be careful to individualize their prep.
 
I'm gonna disagree with the 4-6 week people as well, since I just pushed my test back to give myself a little more time, 8 instead of 6 weeks. Because I started on the 6 weeks then realized my basic sciences were so weak it'd be pointless to try and keep going without building the basics up first.

I think the real problem with going too long is if you burn out and/or don't review everything in the last 4 weeks or so. Like if you break the systems up and spend a week on each that wouldn't work, but a system like Taus' where you'd essentially do every system in the last 6 weeks shouldn't lower your score-it would make no sense if it did.

So I don't think it's smart to take 12 weeks but spend 2 weeks on each system then forget the early ones by the end, but that's not the only way to spend 12 weeks. If you cycle through everything a couple of times that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

And heck, you might even retain some stuff long term-gasp.
 
I'd also argue that the schools that teach towards the boards need less time. 5 wks at our school seems almost impossible since we our school doesn't emphasize basic science and high yield material in our blocks
 
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