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I have a good friend who really did not like medical school and struggled at times. He is now a resident and absolutely killing it and loving life.
 
I think you'd be fine so long as you like dealing with patients. I'm sure there's a lot of doctors who start to find the kinds of pathology they see in their fields routine/boring but still find their work fulfilling because they like the patients they take care of. On the other hand, someone who hates their patients will hate having to see them every day regardless of how fascinating their pathology is.
 
I have friends who went to law school/dental school, engineering, they all say the same thing. The schooling is very much unlike the actual profession, and can be extremely frustrating. This is not unique to medicine.

I would hope (we'll see come May if my MCAT goes well) that when one gets to years 3/4 and beyond, dealing with people and having some relative autonomy (eventually) to actually do the thing we've been working towards for 20+ years will be better than school.

If you still hate it, then depending on how far in you are, consider getting the degree and then pivoting into another career. The MD/DO degree travels very well.
 
Medicine is a business and a job. Medical school is a school. If you like working your ass off and dealing with complex problems on a daily basis you will probably enjoy a career in medicine. If you are lazy and don't like work, you will probably hate your life until retirement. I see more people who hate work and blame it on medicine without realizing it isn't medicine they hate but just work in general. They would probably be miserable in any field that required the same amount of work. Good luck.
 
Tankstah said:
Have any of you felt this way? Is this really a sign that I should pursue something else? Can I hate medical school and enjoy a career in medicine? Thanks for the insight.
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Many medical students (and law students, dental students, MBA students, PhD students, post-docs, etc.) have articulated some of the same things you're saying - so you're not alone. Did you feel the same way about some of your undergraduate classes? If yes, it's kind of the same way in medical school: listen to lectures (and many lectures are not thrilling), go to labs, study, pass tests, study, go to hospital, comply with curricula, study, sleep if you have any spare time to sleep, etc. Work-work-work. It's not always exciting and fun. Many times, I was envious of my friends and family who were having fun at the ocean, lake, mountains, concerts, plays, movies, or whatever, while I was studying for hours in the library. Once again, work-work-work. It felt endless at times.

Like many other students, I disliked certain aspects of my school/programs/fellowships. However, it's a rite of passage everyone goes through; and it's common to experience ups-and-downs throughout the duration of any rigorous and time-consuming program such as medicine. As soon as I completed all programs, I felt a twinge of satisfaction and autonomy. Finally, I had my "non-student" life back - well, at least some of it anyway - and now I could make plans for myself and "how" I envisioned my own future. Hooray! Life after medical school is much different than "being a student" in medical school because you're no longer a "student." Although I disliked certain things about school, I definitely enjoy my professional career. It was well worth my time and labor. 🙂
 
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Life becomes VERY different once you hit the wards. So be patient, it gets busier, but better.


Tankstah said:
I just returned from winter break and am sitting in class on my first day back. I am finally accepting that I hate medical school. I hate the bull**** required small group sessions. I'm not interested in the vast majority of what we study after anatomy ended. I have no problem staying above the average at a top 3 program but I don't actually like anything I'm learning. I don't really identify with my classmates though I consider myself a very social person. I still can see myself at the end though. I've spent time with lots of different docs and I like what they do. I can see myself working 60-65 hours a week doing surgery or interventional rads/cardio or something active. I think I would be happy with the end game. The problem is my current situation is miserable. I have no idea how anyone can enjoy this. I keep skipping class to go hang out with real doctors so I can feel like I'm actually making progress toward my career, but I get penalized for this by my program. I'm just hoping I can get some perspective from current practicing doctors. Have any of you felt this way? Is this really a sign that I should pursue something else? Can I hate medical school and enjoy a career in medicine? Thanks for the insight.
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Third year is much much worse. I say this as someone who was similar in the preclinical years. Way more BS to put up with. BS is fine when you are the one treating the patient but in a clerkship where i effectively shadow i sat on my thumb until 5 pm today before we did ANYTHING. Pretty frustrating when you think of how many better ways you could use the time like experiencing fields you wont have time to see outside of clerkships
 
Grit your teeth and get through it. If you enjoy spending time with doctors and patients, and can see yourself in their shoes, I think you will be ok. I didn't particularly care for medical school either. But I did enjoy my surgical rotations---you need to make sure you have some rotation that you enjoy... If you hate all your rotations then that's a problem.
 
One can get around this by being proactive and finding things to do. It's possible.


Manual Disimpaction said:
Third year is much much worse. I say this as someone who was similar in the preclinical years. Way more BS to put up with. BS is fine when you are the one treating the patient but in a clerkship where i effectively shadow i sat on my thumb until 5 pm today before we did ANYTHING. Pretty frustrating when you think of how many better ways you could use the time like experiencing fields you wont have time to see outside of clerkships
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Manual Disimpaction said:
Third year is much much worse. I say this as someone who was similar in the preclinical years. Way more BS to put up with. BS is fine when you are the one treating the patient but in a clerkship where i effectively shadow i sat on my thumb until 5 pm today before we did ANYTHING. Pretty frustrating when you think of how many better ways you could use the time like experiencing fields you wont have time to see outside of clerkships
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Sorry to hear that's your experience. I hated 2nd year and am loving 3rd year because I am seeing patients and making decisions on my own (which are run by attendings of course), but from everything I've seen on this site and heard from friends clinical years can vary immensely between schools.
 
Tankstah said:
I just returned from winter break and am sitting in class on my first day back. I am finally accepting that I hate medical school. I hate the bull**** required small group sessions. I'm not interested in the vast majority of what we study after anatomy ended. I have no problem staying above the average at a top 3 program but I don't actually like anything I'm learning. I don't really identify with my classmates though I consider myself a very social person. I still can see myself at the end though. I've spent time with lots of different docs and I like what they do. I can see myself working 60-65 hours a week doing surgery or interventional rads/cardio or something active. I think I would be happy with the end game. The problem is my current situation is miserable. I have no idea how anyone can enjoy this. I keep skipping class to go hang out with real doctors so I can feel like I'm actually making progress toward my career, but I get penalized for this by my program. I'm just hoping I can get some perspective from current practicing doctors. Have any of you felt this way? Is this really a sign that I should pursue something else? Can I hate medical school and enjoy a career in medicine? Thanks for the insight.
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My fiance suffered from motivation issues late in second year, to the point where I was worried that he would pass at all. He's now finishing up his residency in Medicine and looking forward beginning his first job. The schooling as mentioned here is very different from the residency and career, and the level of rigor will change. Enjoy your time away from the books but make sure you find something to enjoy in the minutia of the small groups and other things you have to do. When I got bored on the wards, I would go on an extended coffee break or chat with other professional students. Hang in there, you're gonna do great things!
 
Manual Disimpaction said:
Third year is much much worse. I say this as someone who was similar in the preclinical years. Way more BS to put up with. BS is fine when you are the one treating the patient but in a clerkship where i effectively shadow i sat on my thumb until 5 pm today before we did ANYTHING. Pretty frustrating when you think of how many better ways you could use the time like experiencing fields you wont have time to see outside of clerkships
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3rd year is worse in the sense that your evaluations/grades are subjective to a certain degree based on residents/attending's that you randomly get assigned to...to the OP you can def still enjoy a career in medicine, field is so diverse, just have to get through 3 years of med school (4th is basically for interviews and electives) and figure out what direction you want to go
 
Tenk said:
Medicine is a business and a job. Medical school is a school. If you like working your ass off and dealing with complex problems on a daily basis you will probably enjoy a career in medicine. If you are lazy and don't like work, you will probably hate your life until retirement. I see more people who hate work and blame it on medicine without realizing it isn't medicine they hate but just work in general. They would probably be miserable in any field that required the same amount of work. Good luck.
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I'm the stark opposite of lazy. I think that's why I am having such a problem. I feel like I'm just learning this stuff for learnings sake and I'll never use most of it other than to pass step 1. I don't feel like I'm actually DOING anything. I know just as much as I did 6 months ago about actual medicine. Thanks for the input!
 
OrthoTraumaMD said:
Grit your teeth and get through it. If you enjoy spending time with doctors and patients, and can see yourself in their shoes, I think you will be ok. I didn't particularly care for medical school either. But I did enjoy my surgical rotations---you need to make sure you have some rotation that you enjoy... If you hate all your rotations then that's a problem.
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I'm confident I will enjoy some of my rotations. I have pretty broad interests and simply enjoy being around patients. I am definitely interested in surgery because I like how busy and active and hands on it is. Unfortunately at least the first two years of my path there are the exact opposite of that. Sitting through 6 hours of lecture a day is so beyond painful that working 100 hour weeks as a surgical resident sounds like a dream.
 
vm26 said:
3rd year is worse in the sense that your evaluations/grades are subjective to a certain degree based on residents/attending's that you randomly get assigned to...to the OP you can def still enjoy a career in medicine, field is so diverse, just have to get through 3 years of med school (4th is basically for interviews and electives) and figure out what direction you want to go
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Thanks for the pep talk. Thinking about the endless ways to practice medicine helps me feel much better. I'll eventually figure out something that I really enjoy
 
Manual Disimpaction said:
Third year is much much worse. I say this as someone who was similar in the preclinical years. Way more BS to put up with. BS is fine when you are the one treating the patient but in a clerkship where i effectively shadow i sat on my thumb until 5 pm today before we did ANYTHING. Pretty frustrating when you think of how many better ways you could use the time like experiencing fields you wont have time to see outside of clerkships
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Agreed. 3rd year is the worst year of medical school.
 
3rd year is good only if you remember everything super well on the floors to the point where you can relax after shifts and enjoy every weekend. If you don't learn well on the floors and forget everything from step 1, you may find yourself studying a **** ton after shifts.
 
Manual Disimpaction said:
Third year is much much worse. I say this as someone who was similar in the preclinical years. Way more BS to put up with. BS is fine when you are the one treating the patient but in a clerkship where i effectively shadow i sat on my thumb until 5 pm today before we did ANYTHING. Pretty frustrating when you think of how many better ways you could use the time like experiencing fields you wont have time to see outside of clerkships
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Fun things to do on a third year inpatient clerkship (not an exhaustive list):
1. Do your own PM rounds to check on patients, make sure they're doing alright.
2. With your intern's permission, call consults.
3. Obtain outside medical records as needed.
4. Talk to your patients. Teach them about their disease processes as much as you can explain, and as much as the patients can digest. Be sure to clear what you're going to say with your intern beforehand to prevent screw-ups.
5. With your intern's permission, and patient's permission if they're able to give it, call family members to obtain collateral history. Especially helpful for psych patients and patients with dementia, as well as any patient who's just "medically unsophisticated."
6. With your intern's permission, and in a HIPPA compliant manner, call the patient's family members to update them and explain the patient's disease process to them. Be sure to clear what you're going to say with your intern beforehand to prevent screw-ups.
7. Start and pend/share (however your particular hospital's EMR works) discharge summaries for your patients. You can do this as soon as they get admitted, and edit the discharge summaries to include any major events that happen over their hospital stay.

Granted, not all of these are applicable to every clerkship, but I've found that you can do at least one of these 99% of the time on any inpatient service.

Edit: Just to be clear, half-joking when I say "fun." Obtaining outside medical records and starting discharge summaries can be genuine proctalgias. It will definitely brighten your intern/resident's day when they found those things are already done though.
 
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3rd year >>> 2nd year >>>>>>>> 1st year. The increased subjectivity of 3rd year grades are its biggest pitfall, but honestly 3rd year is so much better. Step 1 is done, no more ****ty school written exams, and seeing the people who cheated during pre-clinical years being put in their place on shelf exams.
 
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Tankstah said:
I'm the stark opposite of lazy. I think that's why I am having such a problem. I feel like I'm just learning this stuff for learnings sake and I'll never use most of it other than to pass step 1. I don't feel like I'm actually DOING anything. I know just as much as I did 6 months ago about actual medicine. Thanks for the input!
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You feel that way because it is 100% true. I never have to freaking think about biochemistry at work. It's like, "hey, I know your loved one just died, but let me draw the Krebs cycle for you, I think this will help explain everything..." No. Useless.

Don't worry, the real stuff comes later but it definitely comes. Hang in there.
 
Tenk said:
I see more people who hate work and blame it on medicine without realizing it isn't medicine they hate but just work in general. They would probably be miserable in any field that required the same amount of work. Good luck.
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Do you really believe this? Ive been wondering if this was the case myself.

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Tenk said:
Medicine is a business and a job. Medical school is a school. If you like working your ass off and dealing with complex problems on a daily basis you will probably enjoy a career in medicine. If you are lazy and don't like work, you will probably hate your life until retirement. I see more people who hate work and blame it on medicine without realizing it isn't medicine they hate but just work in general. They would probably be miserable in any field that required the same amount of work. Good luck.
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Realizing this has helped me. It has allowed me to remember that medicine is probably the least painful option for me because I have a genuine interest in it. Every job is going to have BS heaped on top, but I imagine it would suck even more if there wasn't a nugget of interest underneath. While my sparks of inspiration and excitement are happening less than I thought they would in MS3, I still think they are occurring more than they would if I were stuck in a cubicle crunching some numbers in Excel.
 
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cbrons said:
Do you really believe this? Ive been wondering if this was the case myself.

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Some schools have rotations that are mostly shadowing. However, I find it incredibly hard to believe that busy physicians would categorically reject offers to help with other tasks.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
Some schools have rotations that are mostly shadowing. However, I find it incredibly hard to believe that busy physicians would categorically reject offers to help with other tasks.
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How does your first sentence relate to your second?

"The grass outside is the color green. However, the Chicago Bulls won last night."

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cbrons said:
How does your first sentence relate to your second?

"The grass outside is the color green. However, the Chicago Bulls won last night."

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No need to be a jackass here.

You are claiming it is NOT possible to be proactive and find things to do. Anyone who has ever been in any hospital is well aware that there are plenty of things to do.
 
Tenk said:
You feel that way because it is 100% true. I never have to freaking think about biochemistry at work. It's like, "hey, I know your loved one just died, but let me draw the Krebs cycle for you, I think this will help explain everything..." No. Useless.

Don't worry, the real stuff comes later but it definitely comes. Hang in there.
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I needed to hear this. Thanks. You sound like my kind of doctor! Gives me hope.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
No need to be a jackass here.

You are claiming it is NOT possible to be proactive and find things to do. Anyone who has ever been in any hospital is well aware that there are plenty of things to do.
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So you've been on 0 rotations? thanks for your irrelevant opinion.

Some rotations are bad and there is nothing to do on them but stand in the corner and watch. That is a simple fact. When you actually do a rotation someday you might encounter that (but hopefully not since those are dreadful experiences and a waste of your money).
 
cbrons said:
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So you've been on 0 rotations? thanks for your irrelevant opinion.
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Yeah you're right, doctors are never busy and could never use a hand with anything. Great points!
 
ChrisMack390 said:
Yeah you're right, doctors are never busy and could never use a hand with anything. Great points!
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This is called a straw man. I didn't say "doctors are never busy". I said there are rotations where you have nothing to do. They exist in some medical schools. Sorry you were unable to comprehend this extremely simple point.

The fact that volunteer faculty members are busy is one of the main reasons shadow-only rotations exist (because they are too busy to supervise or aid you in learning various in-sundry hands-on skills).

Please, if you haven't even started medical school just STFU. You have 0 experience or basis upon which to tell me (someone who has) what the experience is or isn't like.
 
I listen to my students, and also to SDNers who have had to deal with this in the past. If they can do it, so can you and other people in the same fix. My optics on medical education don't end at my office door or the anatomy lab, nor does it stop with Step/Level I.





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And you would know that how?

Some bad med schools have trashy shadow-only rotations. Is this a concept that is hard for you to accept?

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Second quarter of my first year, I like the rigor and material but my roommate is breaking down into near depression because he puts in tons of hours and doesnt score as high as he expects. Im afraid he will drop out but there is not much I can do to solve his problems. He keeps saying that life will rock after school is finally over and expects unrealistic things like being filthy rich and getting a ton of respect from everyone.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
Yeah you're right, doctors are never busy and could never use a hand with anything. Great points!
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I rarely agree with cbrons and often don't like his attitude (he's very Psai-esque), but he's pretty much spot on with this. Source - I just got off a rotation exactly like this. Also, regarding physicians being busy, med students actually create more work for attendings and the only instance I've come across to reduce this is if an attending uses a med student as a scribe. Not only does simply functioning as a scribe during clerkships suck and do very little for you educationally, but the attendings that tend to do this are often very lazy and have little, if any, interest in teaching.
 
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Tankstah said:
Thanks for the pep talk. Thinking about the endless ways to practice medicine helps me feel much better. I'll eventually figure out something that I really enjoy
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No worries...to expand on this theme, even performing the same specialty in different settings/geographic locations can be so vastly different in terms of works hours, stress, and income...think about a plastic surgeon working in LA doing cosmetics versus a plastic surgeon working at a major academic center in the mid-west treating burn patients...groups also have different cultures/priorities, I worked in a cut-throat money hunger group in the past, now in a democratic, lifestyle-friendly group, its been night and day...I would encourage you to work hard and maximize your candidacy so that you have options when its comes down to your match and your career
 
Dr Tony T. Chopper said:
Second quarter of my first year, I like the rigor and material but my roommate is breaking down into near depression because he puts in tons of hours and doesnt score as high as he expects. Im afraid he will drop out but there is not much I can do to solve his problems. He keeps saying that life will rock after school is finally over and expects unrealistic things like being filthy rich and getting a ton of respect from everyone.
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Do they need counseling/medication? I struggled 1st semester, as an older non-trad who had a decent career it was quite an adjustment to make. Really wanted to quit after 3-4 weeks. I was close with one of the faculty who mentioned that something like a quarter or third of current medical students were utilizing student counseling services

Life will improve after medical school/training but the stress/demands to perform do not go away, if anything stakes are higher but most acclimate and are able to deal (though medical professionals do have a fairly high rate of addiction)...also one does not need to be a stellar medical student in order to become a financially successful physician, many variables here
 
Spot on observations from vm.

All you can do for your roommate is to suggest counseling. It's up to him to take your advice. But from what you're telling us about his mindset, I suspect that he'll view needing counseling as a weakness and a loss of face.


Dr Tony T. Chopper said:
Second quarter of my first year, I like the rigor and material but my roommate is breaking down into near depression because he puts in tons of hours and doesnt score as high as he expects. Im afraid he will drop out but there is not much I can do to solve his problems. He keeps saying that life will rock after school is finally over and expects unrealistic things like being filthy rich and getting a ton of respect from everyone.
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vm26 said:
Do they need counseling/medication? I struggled 1st semester, as an older non-trad who had a decent career it was quite an adjustment to make. Really wanted to quit after 3-4 weeks. I was close with one of the faculty who mentioned that something like a quarter or third of current medical students were utilizing student counseling services

Life will improve after medical school/training but the stress/demands to perform do not go away, if anything stakes are higher but most acclimate and are able to deal (though medical professionals do have a fairly high rate of addiction)...also one does not need to be a stellar medical student in order to become a financially successful physician, many variables here
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Tankstah said:
I just returned from winter break and am sitting in class on my first day back. I am finally accepting that I hate medical school. I hate the bull**** required small group sessions. I'm not interested in the vast majority of what we study after anatomy ended. I have no problem staying above the average at a top 3 program but I don't actually like anything I'm learning. I don't really identify with my classmates though I consider myself a very social person. I still can see myself at the end though. I've spent time with lots of different docs and I like what they do. I can see myself working 60-65 hours a week doing surgery or interventional rads/cardio or something active. I think I would be happy with the end game. The problem is my current situation is miserable. I have no idea how anyone can enjoy this. I keep skipping class to go hang out with real doctors so I can feel like I'm actually making progress toward my career, but I get penalized for this by my program. I'm just hoping I can get some perspective from current practicing doctors. Have any of you felt this way? Is this really a sign that I should pursue something else? Can I hate medical school and enjoy a career in medicine? Thanks for the insight.
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Yes
 
ChrisMack390 said:
No need to be a jackass here.

You are claiming it is NOT possible to be proactive and find things to do. Anyone who has ever been in any hospital is well aware that there are plenty of things to do.
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hey guyz listen to this M0. U just have to try hard and u fill find stuff to do! Can't believe we never realized that b4. Thanks buddy!!


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Dr Tony T. Chopper said:
He keeps saying that life will rock after school is finally over and expects unrealistic things like being filthy rich and getting a ton of respect from everyone.
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A big portion of our class does Medicine for the same reasons.

Already feeling sorry for the future patients . . .
 
Slytheryn said:
A big portion of our class does Medicine for the same reasons.

Already feeling sorry for the future patients . . .
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Yeah I can tell you there are docs out there trying to milk the cow that is medicine. Don't get me wrong they are good, but they will look for ways to try and drain your wallet.
 
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Yeah I can tell you there are dcs out there trying to milk the cow that is medicine. Don't get me wrong they are good, but they will look for ways to try and drain your wallet.
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Agreed.
I would add what I heard from one of the best psychiatrists in Hungary ( in my opinion, the man is one of those mad geniuses ) : " If you do a job without passion, you can be average or good at the very best. Greatness, however, is reserved to the passionate ones. "

I think the reason why people look at many successful and seemingly passionless persons and think that enjoying your job doesn't matter, is because passion is manifested differently by everyone : a surgeon for example is not passionate in the same way an actor is, an engineer is not passionate in the same way a philosopher is, a chef is not passionate in the same way a writer is, and so on. People are passionate in different ways.

Human behavior is very misleading when you try to analyze it according to your own personality - it is a recipe for failure.
Because you will pick a doctor for example, who is working long hours, gets a high salary, never says a thing about how he enjoys what he's doing and you'll assume that he's not , because in your mind enjoyment looks differently -> you will arrive to the false conclusion that you'll be able to have the same lifestyle as he does, but without the passion for the job, because you assume the other guy doesn't have it either, but he does - so you'll never be as great as the other guy and you'll never know why.
 
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Slytheryn said:
Agreed.
I would add what I heard from one of the best psychiatrists in Hungary ( in my opinion, the man is one of those mad geniuses ) : " If you do a job without passion, you can be average or good at the very bust. Greatness, however, is reserved to the passionate ones. "

I think the reason why people look at many successful and seemingly passionless persons and think that enjoying your job doesn't matter, is because passion is manifested differently by everyone : a surgeon for example is not passionate in the same way an actor is, an engineer is not passionate in the same way a philosopher is, a chef is not passionate in the same way a writer is, and so on. People are passionate in different ways.

Human behavior is very misleading when you try to analyze it according to your own personality - it is a recipe for failure.
Because you will pick a doctor for example, who is working long hours, gets a high salary, never says a thing about how he enjoys what he's doing and you'll assume that he's not , because in your mind enjoyment looks differently -> you will arrive to the false conclusion that you'll be able to have the same lifestyle as he does, but without the passion for the job, because you assume the other guy doesn't have it either, but he does - so you'll never be as great as the other guy and you'll never know why.
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Agreed. A passionate person will strive to be better than they already are. This is what really makes them the best of the best.
 
cbrons said:
This is called a straw man. I didn't say "doctors are never busy". I said there are rotations where you have nothing to do. They exist in some medical schools. Sorry you were unable to comprehend this extremely simple point.

The fact that volunteer faculty members are busy is one of the main reasons shadow-only rotations exist (because they are too busy to supervise or aid you in learning various in-sundry hands-on skills).

Please, if you haven't even started medical school just STFU. You have 0 experience or basis upon which to tell me (someone who has) what the experience is or isn't like.
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hey guyz listen to this M0. U just have to try hard and u fill find stuff to do! Can't believe we never realized that b4. Thanks buddy!!


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I have worked full time in hospitals and outpatient clinics for >3 times the length of the clinical years of medical school. If you are in a hospital and have nothing productive to do, that is your problem.
 
ChrisMack390 said:
I have worked full time in hospitals and outpatient clinics for >3 times the length of the clinical years of medical school. If you are in a hospital and have nothing productive to do, that is your problem.
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Yeah, you can go and clean the toilets, but I am not sure how much that will help one to be a good resident on day 1.
 
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