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[Shotapp]

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Not Touro. Out of the class that graduated this year, many of them still do not have acceptances. A few do but a majority of them do not.

Which program did you attend then (so that other people can avoid this program)?

 

[Stagg737]

When I applied, their class size was only 20 and people were matriculating into the medical school succesfully . The first class size was about 10 and about 8 students got in but they have been increasing the class size every year so I was assuming I was going into a program with about 20 students not 50.

Another sign of a malignant program is if they are not communicating important pieces of information like the bolded or what percent/how many of their students go on to med/dental/whatever school after graduating. This should all be either easily found on their website or communicated up front. At worst they should be able to tell you with a simple phone call. If you have problems finding this info or a program doesn't want to provide it, save your money and avoid it.

 

[deleted861396]

If you don't mind me asking, how were you able to afford the tuition since it doesn't qualify for federal aid. Sorry if this is too person. We have a certification program near me but I cannot afford to pay 10000 out of pocket plus other living expenses.

uhh I was fortunate enough that my parents were able to pay for it.

butt totally clenched for the next four years of loans tho <<<<<<

 

[thestruggleisreal2018]

m sorry this happened to you, and I don’t say this to be harsh

I wish I had known that earlier because you are right, their website does not state any stats of how many students have successfully matriculated. I've seen it happen so I know its possible but I expected the percentage to be much higher. When I applied, they had on the website that a student with A's and B's would be guaranteed an interview which was why I didn't question it. However they removed that part on the program's description online after I had started my semester.

I'm so sorry that the school is not more compassionate to your personal health. I'm actually applying to SMP programs right now and would really appreciate it if you could let me know what SMP this was. Feel free to DM me if you'd like to keep it private.

 

[Tozanzibarbymotorcar]

I wish I had known that earlier because you are right, their website does not state any stats of how many students have successfully matriculated. I've seen it happen so I know its possible but I expected the percentage to be much higher. When I applied, they had on the website that a student with A's and B's would be guaranteed an interview which was why I didn't question it. However they removed that part on the program's description online after I had started my semester.

What they have on the website ultimately doesnt matter. It is what they have written in the terms of matriculation in your contract with them.

 

[MedicineN'Jazz]

I was in the process of completing my first year of masters program that is linked to a medical school when I ended up failing a course. This resulted in me getting dismissed from the program even though all my other grades were well. I also interviewed for the medical school and am on the top tier of the waiting list. I felt like I was very close to being accepted had it not been for failing that one course (you needed a 70 to pass, I got a 67.5). Can anyone offer advice on what my next steps should be? I feel like this is a very unique situation and I'm not sure how to handle it.

Your cheapest, quickest bet is applying to Tulane’s ACLP program. One class, twelve weeks, beat the average, you’re in. Deadline is June 1st though (and yes DO waitlists can apply)

 

[Magus5454]

Your cheapest, quickest bet is applying to Tulane’s ACLP program. One class, twelve weeks, beat the average, you’re in. Deadline is June 1st though (and yes DO waitlists can apply)

I'm pretty sure if they were dismissed from a SMP they aren't on a waitlist

 

[BobbyKoch]

I was in the process of completing my first year of masters program that is linked to a medical school when I ended up failing a course. This resulted in me getting dismissed from the program even though all my other grades were well. I also interviewed for the medical school and am on the top tier of the waiting list. I felt like I was very close to being accepted had it not been for failing that one course (you needed a 70 to pass, I got a 67.5). Can anyone offer advice on what my next steps should be? I feel like this is a very unique situation and I'm not sure how to handle it.

I'm pretty sure if they were dismissed from a SMP they aren't on a waitlist

see bolded

 

[Magus5454]

see bolded

Well, I still say their chances aren't great after the dismissal

 

[deleted861396]

Your cheapest, quickest bet is applying to Tulane’s ACLP program. One class, twelve weeks, beat the average, you’re in. Deadline is June 1st though (and yes DO waitlists can apply)

He already considered but is unable financially.

 

[MedicineN'Jazz]

He already considered but is unable financially.

Private loans? Idk man, if I wanted something really bad, I’d do everything to go after it. As one poor man to another...

 

[Tozanzibarbymotorcar]

Not Touro. Out of the class that graduated this year, many of them still do not have acceptances. A few do but a majority of them do not.

If you are not at Touro I would recommend applying to the Touro SMP.

 

[Goro]

Hey, I want to suggest two options for you based on your situation and your desires (Part 1). Please take them into consideration very very carefully. P.S. section is a supplement.

Part 1
1. IF you are 100% sure that these anxiety issues you are having will completely disappear as an accepted medical student (which they might not, so consider this very thoroughly), I think your only bet is to go to the Caribbean or overseas for med school. Explain your situation and take out a loan and you're practically in. HOWEVER, if you do not master the curriculum (essentially self teaching the whole way) and get in at least the 95%-ile in Step 1, you are in very deep trouble. Residencies are very competitive and you must be very impressive. No residency = your MD degree is just expensive toilet paper

Again, the reason for this is that A) your medical school career in the US is over (as Goro said ) and B) You are 100% certain, all of your mental and health issues will disappear forever and you will smooth sail through med school.

2. If you are not 100% certain you will be completely fine immediately and will never have these issues again, then another masters program is not for you. Personal issues will always happen and our mind will take any excuse to not focus on constant, nonstop mental rigor and stress (I would argue that 99% of all personal statements that med schools receive from people with a GPA<3.4 is a list of personal issues that caused said GPA. They've heard it all, from asteroid hitting your house in Russia to Grandma shot Grandpa). There are a few people (slightly insane) that can pull through and succeed in these situations and Adcoms want just those people.

In this situation, another highly satisfying career is indicated. Pursue the dozens of highly satisfying careers that coincide with your passions.

Also, for the love of god, please answer our question and tell us what masters program this was.

P.S.
Applying to Tulane as a hail Mary is an idea worth any personal loan. Again, this is only if option 1.B is valid. Pros and cons below:

Con: With their deadline being June 1st, many (smart) waitlisted students without acceptances will apply to this program as a back up. Do not set your hopes on this too high, as their class size is very small and every smart waitlisted med student and their cat's mother knows about this program.

Pro: There is a shortage of smart applicants. Many waitlisted students (and I know quite a few who do this) will remind themselves "people get off the waitlist up until the week before matriculation!" and sit there writing letters of intent, without also investing in brilliant programs designed just for them, such as Tulane's SMP, until its too late. This June 1st deadline increases your chances.

If you apply to this program, I highly recommend (no, mandate) that you get a letter from the professor who failed you, explaining the situation. Hopefully you worked with the professor during your issues and they sympathized with you. Write them a very nice email stating your situation (that you want to still pursue this career) and how they can help you come out of the dirt. Admission's committees are not heartless and as long as your story is reasonable, they can give you another chance. Failing SMP programs is direct evidence they are not cut out for med school.

You must prove to them that this was all a misunderstanding and you must provide evidence:

1. A letter from the professor that failed you stating that you aced all of the material you took and demonstrated mastery, but you failed because detrimental medical reasons prevented you doing some of the work

2. High MCAT score

3. Letter from your physician confirming your circumstances (without violated HIPAA).

I would also suggest (no, mandate) seeing a professional in the mental health field and determine with them if your issues can be managed effectively in a masters or medical school setting.

As a conclusive note, if you want to take a chance at Tulane, you must first take a minute to think about whether you can overcome your issues faced in the SMP with 100% certainty. You must then, as quickly as possible, acquire the letter(s) I mentioned from your faculty/physician.

If you cannot gather this evidence or if you don't go the Tulane route (they reject you/you don't apply) AND you are 100% certain that you are cured and ready for success in medical school, (I really mean 100%, not even 99.96%):
You should apply to Carribean or overseas programs and do very well and score a lower tier residency. Caribbean schools are not as cutthroat and, arguably, the Step exams are the most important in securing a residency.

I should be studying for my MCATS now. Best of luck.

Carribean schools are smacking their lips at though of yet another mark to come their way. You have given terrible advice.

 

[MedicineN'Jazz]

Carribean schools are smacking their lips at though of yet another mark to come their way. You have given terrible advice.

Lmao, I was reading TheComposer’s message like 🤣

 

[Shotapp]

I know I am capable of succeeding if I am 100% healthy since I was successful in the fall semester and was interviewed and waitlisted.

First semester was 3 B's and a C. My second semester was an A, a B, a C and than the failing class (D)

How were you successful since you had a sub 3.0 GPA in the fall and spring?

 

[Medstudent15_]

Succesful for Campbell's medical school. My symptoms began around October which is when my grades started falling. Campbell mainly wanted A's and B's and the reason I was waitlisted for to show that my spring transcript would be stronger but that's when I really started getting sick.

I didn't come here to have my competencies judged but more to seek advice on how to appeal with a medical condition that was diagnosed after the program ended that I was dealing with for most of the year

 

[Medstudent15_]

How were you successful since you had a sub 3.0 GPA in the fall and spring?

I would also like to say that during my interviews, I was told that my grades were above average in all classes (except for Anatomy where I was at the average level) in comparison to all the other students. Hence why I got an interview. And they wanted to see my anatomy grade improve in the spring semester which was why i was on the waitlist. If that tells you enough about the program. And they compared your grades to that of your peers, not other masters programs.

 

[MedicineN'Jazz]

I would also like to say that during my interviews, I was told that my grades were above average in all classes (except for Anatomy where I was at the average level) in comparison to all the other students. Hence why I got an interview. And they wanted to see my anatomy grade improve in the spring semester which was why i was on the waitlist. If that tells you enough about the program. And they compared your grades to that of your peers, not other masters programs.

If you have an interview with the dean, that most likely means that he or she thinks you have a compelling reason for the appeal. Your case could have just been thrown out, but it wasn’t. My advice: get off SDN and prepare for your appeal meeting. Have all your documents ready to prove your case, and practice on being genuine with only a tad bit of desperation.

 

[MedicineN'Jazz]

Actually, I don't think you did terribly for a DO program. Your argument should be that although you did "alright" for the year, if you had not had your medical issues, you would have aced the whole year. I think the diagnosing physician can be of great help.

The art of winning any case/argument is to acknowledge where the opponent is coming from. Really think for a while and try to be the devils advocate and list every reason they should not let you back in. List every reason that they are justified in dismissing you. And make a pros and cons list between them taking you in and them leaving you as is (dismissed).

With this in front of you, work on neutralizing each of their arguments (respectfully, and ideally with well-thought-out evidence). Retrieving sympathy from the dean will be your main strong goal. State, calmly, how the dismissal affects your career, which you are committed to pursue no matter what. Demonstrate that you truly had no control over what was going on (and provide evidence). See if you can get ANY faculty to back you up and take your side. But, most importantly, focus on the list of things I mention above (all the reasons they are justified in dismissing you). They are likely following a very strict school policy by dismissing you. Read that policy like you're Bill Cosby's lawyer and make a respectful and convincing case as to why they should make an exception to their policy for you.

Using previous precedents can help, but don't focus on them, as it comes off as, "well, she got back in, so why can't I? Wahhhhhh!"

I actually don’t agree with this advice. This appeal will literally judge the fate of your career. Learn how to professionally grovel with a bit of backbone! Never argue with someone who holds all your cards.

 

[zanzizic]

Medicine is a high stress profession. Pre-med is stressful, as you’ve learned. Med school can be more stressful. Internship throws the stress into overdrive.

If you suffer from anxiety that makes a Masters program difficult, I would seriously reconsider medicine as a career

 

[Shotapp]

Medicine is a high stress profession. Pre-med is stressful, as you’ve learned. Med school can be more stressful. Internship throws the stress into overdrive.

If you suffer from anxiety that makes a Masters program difficult, I would seriously reconsider medicine as a career

This!!!

 

[Goro]

My advice was: Either change careers, apply to Tulane's SMP, or go Caribbean. I am not sure what you mean with "smacking their lips at another mark coming their way". The Carribean schools are for-profit degree-mills that are sadly his only option. They have contracts with many US hospitals and can get you into a low tier residency in exchange for tuition up front and graduating at the top of their class.

I, myself, would rather die before going Carribean and made it very clear that he should think very, very hard before he pursues arguably his only shot at practicing as an MD in the US.

So please, with all due respect, specify how I gave terrible advice.

Because it's not realistic advice, nor a viable path for the OP in particular to be a doctor. Even ruling out the illness, OP had his/her chance and didn't do well in the semester prior to the illness.

And please, people don't get to be Deans by having fragile egos.

 

[Medstudent15_]

Medicine is a high stress profession. Pre-med is stressful, as you’ve learned. Med school can be more stressful. Internship throws the stress into overdrive.

If you suffer from anxiety that makes a Masters program difficult, I would seriously reconsider medicine as a career

The actual medical condition wasn't anxiety. I can handle anxiety. I was physically ill and it worsened from January to now. I'm currently under treatment since I was misdiagnosed for so long by my primary care and am now seeing a specialist. I feel like I have stated this already.

 

[MedicineN'Jazz]

I am waiting for memorial weekend to be over so I can get proper documentation since nothing is open right now. So instead of just hanging out and doing nothing, I am trying to research as best as I can. Thanks

Understandable. I wasn’t trying to attack you. But I find that sometimes, SDN does more harm than good...