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wtf. what can you do with this? maybe medical law expertise or something of the sort. it's literally 3 years for a FM residency and you'll be much better suited off in ur career.
 
Nevergiveupok said:
Okay thank you. I have heard of older doctors going to industry without residency. Wasn't sure if it was still a thing.
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You could teach with just a DO. A previous anatomy professor of ours did her MD, no residency and went on to teach at our medical school.
I think some might do medical device sales without residency, but I'm not too clear on the specifics of that.
 
True story, I knew a guy who got his MD, did not go to residency, taught at a medical school for a few years, decided he didn't like teaching so he left and worked as a car salesman.
 
It's pretty much equivalent of an Instagram model going onto and becoming featured on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.

Could she probably do it? Maybe.

Will she most likely end up selling premium snapchats to people who are perverts on social media and paying anywhere from $5-$20+ to see her lady parts...? Most likely.

Moral is.. don't do it if you don't plan on going allll the way.

😉
 
DennisReynolds said:
It's pretty much equivalent of an Instagram model going onto and becoming featured on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.

Could she probably do it? Maybe.

Will she most likely end up selling premium snapchats to people who are perverts on social media and paying anywhere from $5-$20+ to see her lady parts...? Most likely.

Moral is.. don't do it if you don't plan on going allll the way.

😉
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So you mean like becoming an escort rather than premium snapchatter?
 
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DennisReynolds said:
It's pretty much equivalent of an Instagram model going onto and becoming featured on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition.

Could she probably do it? Maybe.

Will she most likely end up selling premium snapchats to people who are perverts on social media and paying anywhere from $5-$20+ to see her lady parts...? Most likely.

Moral is.. don't do it if you don't plan on going allll the way.

😉
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How does one know so much about premium snaps
 
Nevergiveupok said:
How about biopharma? Biotech companies?
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You will always be infinitely more marketable as “board certified”. If you don’t do residency people assume you didn’t match
 
Why wouldn't you do a 3-yr residency when you can make 250-300k/yr as an FM doc working 8-5pm Mon thru Friday?


No matter what people are saying medicine is the best career in term of financial security if you can deal with some of the B$. Then again, every career has its own B$.
 
Splenda88 said:
Why wouldn't you do a 3-yr residency when you can make 250-300k/yr as an FM doc working 8-5pm Mon thru Friday?


No matter what people are saying medicine is the best career in term of financial security if you can deal with some of the B$. Then again, every career has its own B$.
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This is pretty legitimate. Sure 3 years of residency isn't easy. But once you're done you're pretty much able to get a kush job that realistically can earn you 250k for working 4 days a week. No one should really underestimate just how well flushed out the path to a solid career path we have pending we don't catastropically fail comlex 3 times while also getting a DUI.
 
Nevergiveupok said:
How about biopharma? Biotech companies?
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Not to say there aren't these jobs, because you could honestly get a study coordinator/quality job at the pharma place where I used to work, but we're talking like 80-100k and nothing more than a bachelor's needed. A PI or any traditional physician job will require at least a medical license and almost 100% sure board certified/eligible status. Because no drug company is gonna want an almost doctor running their trials for any phase. Litigation nightmare.
 
Nevergiveupok said:
Maybe 250K-300K for FM in less desirable locations. I get what you guys are saying. I just was curious if there was any other options.
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20 to 30 minutes outside a major metropolitan place will probably get you.
 
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Drrrrrr. Celty said:
20 to 30 minutes outside a major metropolitan place will probably get you.
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Now is this 20-30 mins from the metro area or the actual city. Like 20-30 mins from Chicago is still in an extremely populated area, but 20-30 mins from the edge of the metro area is 2 hours from Chicago
 
Drrrrrr. Celty said:
This is pretty legitimate. Sure 3 years of residency isn't easy. But once you're done you're pretty much able to get a kush job that realistically can earn you 250k for working 4 days a week. No one should really underestimate just how well flushed out the path to a solid career path we have pending we don't catastropically fail comlex 3 times while also getting a DUI.
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Are they requiring high colonics during residency now?
 
Nevergiveupok said:
Maybe 250K-300K for FM in less desirable locations. I get what you guys are saying. I just was curious if there was any other options.
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I am in a big metro area and FM docs here are getting 220k+ with 25k sign-on bonus for 4 1/2 day a week.
 
Nevergiveupok said:
Yeah that's what I've seen too. I've heard of a 240K+ in a small city of <50K - nowhere near a major city. Heard this from a resident.
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A lot of those are w/o production bonus... with bonus, people tend to make more. One can have a job 1 hour from a big city and live in a suburb that is halfway from your job and that mega city.
 
Splenda88 said:
A lot of those are w/o production bonus... with bonus, people tend to make more. One can have a job 1 hour from a big city and live in a suburb that is halfway from your job and that mega city.
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Ya but that’s still a drive. For people that are city people, 1 hour is a ridiculous drive to be in the environment you love.
 
DO2015CA said:
Ya but that’s still a drive. For people that are city people, 1 hour is a ridiculous drive to be in the environment you love.
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As the poster above me says, you live in the middle. That's what I was trying to convey in my post. I guess it did not come out that way. You will get the best of both world. You get a high(er) salary while still get a chance to enjoy the amenities of that big city. Another added benefit is that COL might be cheaper.
 
knowledge learned in medical school is useless in settings outside healthcare or teaching. I'm also willing to to take the heat for saying a medical degree on its own is not sufficient for graduate level teaching. That's because medical school curriculum isn't meant to make you an expert in any field (genetics, biochem, physiology, anatomy, immunology, etc).

The physicians who pursue careers outside direct patient care (pharma, insurance, biotech, etc) usually have acquired some level of clinical training/experience that makes their opinions/expertise valuable in such industries.

An MD, and especially a DO, degree is meaningless without clinical training and credentials to show for it (at least internship completion certificate).
 
Postictal Raiden said:
knowledge learned in medical school is useless in settings outside healthcare or teaching. I'm also willing to to take the heat for saying a medical degree on its own is not sufficient for graduate level teaching. That's because medical school curriculum isn't meant to make you an expert in any field (genetics, biochem, physiology, anatomy, immunology, etc).

The physicians who pursue careers outside direct patient care (pharma, insurance, biotech, etc) usually have acquired some level of clinical training/experience that makes their opinions/expertise valuable in such industries.

An MD, and especially a DO, degree is meaningless without clinical training and credentials to show for it (at least internship completion certificate).
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I am kind of conflicted about that since I don't think that these PhD that are teaching in med school know much more outside of their research subjects (than physicians)... My Anatomy professor was a retired ED doc, and I thought he did a great job correlating these structures with imaging (x-ray and CT).
 
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Splenda88 said:
I am kind of conflicted about that since I don't think that these PhD that are teaching in med school know much more outside of their research subjects (than physicians)... My Anatomy professor was a retired ED doc, and I thought he did a great job correlating these structures with imaging (x-ray and CT).
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I think they were saying the degree alone. Your retired ED doc doesn’t fall under that category because he is board certified and years of experience
 
DO2015CA said:
I think they were saying the degree alone. Your retired ED doc doesn’t fall under that category because he is board certified and years of experience
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Agree, but I was not impressed by these PhD in med school.
 
Spent 2 years working in biotech and literally just started planning my switch from Finance, to med, with the intention of going back to finance at the end. The ish about needing to be board certified is not necessarily true from my perspective. There are foreign grads/no residency US grads that are CMOs and CEOs. In finance/business at least its really is all about networking and backing yourself up by experience; that plus some amount of being in the right place at the right time.

The caveat is that everyone I know that made that move were MDs. So for that reason only I think having a residency would be valuable in your case.

If you're still in school start getting your feet wet with some modeling/valuation experience. You can mitigate the most risk by taking CFA exams-maybe get an MBA/MHA if you have time/joint program. Most biotech startups need medical expertise/want to show they have a physician on their board so you can make some sort of agreement there. They get what they want and you get to leverage your clinical knowledge to get some basic working experience to then springboard to other roles.

As you can tell, its not a super easy switch. Yes your medical degree will open some doors/carry weight but if you want to get the most return, you need to put some skin in the game. And no, you're not going to start off making attending money just cause you skip residency to go into biotech as a backup; but you can if you play it strategically and make it seem like this was your plan all along.

https://www.elevate.bio/leadership-profiles/agustin-melian CMO of a big player in biotech, not board certified (or if he was previously was he isnt now).

There are tons of people like him. Do a LinkedIn/Google search, practice and perfect cold emails/information interview skills, find a mentor, and pick their brains instead of posting on an online forum. This guy seems to be what you want to be (and he did a residency so that's saying something as well). Maybe reaching out and seeing how he did what he did could help?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimwaltondomba
 
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Worked in finance and know something about this topic. For jobs in investment banking or something of that sort, you don't necessarily need to be board certified, but a lot of firms will only hire people from top MD schools and usually require at least 3 years of residency training. My firm didn't have any reason to hire physicians, but investment firms we worked with that had MDs on the workforce usually hired graduates from top schools. Check out the job listings and you'll see what I'm talking about (some/many will straight up say "competitive candidate will have a medical degree from a top school and has completed at least 3 years of residency training" or something of that sort). It makes sense because they aren't hiring just a doctor to do what they were trained to do (see patients), but someone who they feel will be highly motivated, intelligent, and well-rounded enough to be able to succeed in a highly competitive industry that isn't exactly down their lane of experience. So for finance in particular, having a DO degree is a huge disadvantage, especially when you don't have any residency training.

Can't really speak about the biotech industry, but I know someone who didn't match from a very low tier MD school and is now working for a small biotech company. n=1 and pretty useless anecdote, but there it is. Salary is probably negatively impacted by lack of residency training.
 
Le Chiffre said:
Spent 2 years working in biotech and literally just started planning my switch from Finance, to med, with the intention of going back to finance at the end. The ish about needing to be board certified is not necessarily true from my perspective. There are foreign grads/no residency US grads that are CMOs and CEOs. In finance/business at least its really is all about networking and backing yourself up by experience; that plus some amount of being in the right place at the right time.

The caveat is that everyone I know that made that move were MDs. So for that reason only I think having a residency would be valuable in your case.

If you're still in school start getting your feet wet with some modeling/valuation experience. You can mitigate the most risk by taking CFA exams-maybe get an MBA/MHA if you have time/joint program. Most biotech startups need medical expertise/want to show they have a physician on their board so you can make some sort of agreement there. They get what they want and you get to leverage your clinical knowledge to get some basic working experience to then springboard to other roles.

As you can tell, its not a super easy switch. Yes your medical degree will open some doors/carry weight but if you want to get the most return, you need to put some skin in the game. And no, you're not going to start off making attending money just cause you skip residency to go into biotech as a backup; but you can if you play it strategically and make it seem like this was your plan all along.

https://www.elevate.bio/leadership-profiles/agustin-melian CMO of a big player in biotech, not board certified (or if he was previously was he isnt now).

There are tons of people like him. Do a LinkedIn/Google search, practice and perfect cold emails/information interview skills, find a mentor, and pick their brains instead of posting on an online forum. This guy seems to be what you want to be (and he did a residency so that's saying something as well). Maybe reaching out and seeing how he did what he did could help?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimwaltondomba
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Now could you get the same result by skipping the cost and crappiness of med school and just get an MBA. Start 2 years earlier without the 300k in debt
 
Nevergiveupok said:
Disagree here. PhD anatomy faculty had some young post docs (mid 30s) who were arguably our best preclinical instructors. But this of course varies based on school.
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I’m on my
Phone and missed a word. Most all of my
Professors were straight out of post doc
 
Postictal Raiden said:
knowledge learned in medical school is useless in settings outside healthcare or teaching. I'm also willing to to take the heat for saying a medical degree on its own is not sufficient for graduate level teaching. That's because medical school curriculum isn't meant to make you an expert in any field (genetics, biochem, physiology, anatomy, immunology, etc).

The physicians who pursue careers outside direct patient care (pharma, insurance, biotech, etc) usually have acquired some level of clinical training/experience that makes their opinions/expertise valuable in such industries.

An MD, and especially a DO, degree is meaningless without clinical training and credentials to show for it (at least internship completion certificate).
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Most of the PHDs dont know **** about the stuff they are teaching. They are very narrowly focused and have to come back to basic stuff they learned in grad school, just like the rest of us. A lot of them admitted that they had to reopen text books or even FA to find out what they needed to teach.
 
Le Chiffre said:
Spent 2 years working in biotech and literally just started planning my switch from Finance, to med, with the intention of going back to finance at the end. The ish about needing to be board certified is not necessarily true from my perspective. There are foreign grads/no residency US grads that are CMOs and CEOs. In finance/business at least its really is all about networking and backing yourself up by experience; that plus some amount of being in the right place at the right time.

The caveat is that everyone I know that made that move were MDs. So for that reason only I think having a residency would be valuable in your case.

If you're still in school start getting your feet wet with some modeling/valuation experience. You can mitigate the most risk by taking CFA exams-maybe get an MBA/MHA if you have time/joint program. Most biotech startups need medical expertise/want to show they have a physician on their board so you can make some sort of agreement there. They get what they want and you get to leverage your clinical knowledge to get some basic working experience to then springboard to other roles.

As you can tell, its not a super easy switch. Yes your medical degree will open some doors/carry weight but if you want to get the most return, you need to put some skin in the game. And no, you're not going to start off making attending money just cause you skip residency to go into biotech as a backup; but you can if you play it strategically and make it seem like this was your plan all along.

https://www.elevate.bio/leadership-profiles/agustin-melian CMO of a big player in biotech, not board certified (or if he was previously was he isnt now).

There are tons of people like him. Do a LinkedIn/Google search, practice and perfect cold emails/information interview skills, find a mentor, and pick their brains instead of posting on an online forum. This guy seems to be what you want to be (and he did a residency so that's saying something as well). Maybe reaching out and seeing how he did what he did could help?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimwaltondomba
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Dr Walton did a TRI in 1983 and then..... Did his IM residency from 88-91. I would love to know what he was doing in that gap.
 
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