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adentalstudent1234 said:
Would you think this would be consistent for the military OMFS residencies as well?
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I don't think military OMFS residencies are as difficult to get into.

How does your scholarship fit into Creighton if you are pursuing HSPS? You think you will come out with $100k more there than HSDM, even with HSPS at HSDM?
 
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HDSM-since it's P/F, the name carries itself when applying to residencies. For ortho, we would get a lot of ivy-league/pseudo-ivy (UCLA) candidates. When chatting, a lot of them would say the reason they went to these dental schools is bc residencies like the status.

Creighton is a great dental school. I have been there to see the facilities and know alumni. Solid program, has rank which you will need to be ranked highly to be considered for OMFS. That in itself will be an extra layer of stress vs HDSM where you wouldn't have to constantly think about keeping your rank high. One of my college friends went to Columbia instead of our in-state school for the same reason. Ended up at Mayo OMFS. I can safely say that in my 2.5 years of ortho residency-I never once saw a Creighton applicant come through for our residency interviews but plenty of UPenn, Columbia, UCLA, UCSF, etc. Obv there will be other factors involved but just some food for thought. Best of luck!
 
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Harvard. Med school curriculum will prepare you so much better for the CBSE. P/F makes a difference in your QOL. Clinic is what you make of it at any school. I went to another Ivy (although ten years ago) and completed many more procedures than my co-residents from more clinical schools. Also, Boston is fun to live in for a few years.
 
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If HSDM is free with the scholarship go there for sure!

If not, then whichever is cheaper. School does not matter for OS, you have to work hard no matter where you go and you can match from anywhere - especially military route, it is much less competitive.
 
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adentalstudent1234 said:
Yes it’s free with the HPSP, so I’m considering doing that, otherwise Crieghton would be much cheaper. I think with living and everything Harvard would be $500Kish and Crieghton would only cost me $100Kish.
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Do the scholarship if you are okay with paying back that time, you will be set for life financially and military OMFS programs are great from what I have heard. Congrats
 
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0bliqueridge said:
if you want OMFS just go to Harvard and dont do military. Not financially worth it to spend 4 years practicing in military after
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Ya that’s a fair point, that financially it’s advantageous to do civilian over military (assuming a 4yr program instead of a 6yr). I’ve heard different numbers so I’m really unsure what is a reasonable estimate income for a new OMFS?

I think I’m pretty certain I want to try for OMFS, but it’s always a possibility I end up changing my mind.

With that being said, it might be a difficult road to other tuition-based specialties, or even GD, financially, considering the debt, cost of other speciality, and interest rates. So, my thought is that maybe I’m ok making less money straight out of the gate if it means I minimize the risk of putting myself into financial suicide of debt? Plus I’m excited to serve, at least from what I know it entails.

Thank you!!
 
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Financially going to creighton for 100k is a no brainer if your goal is OMFS.

Military OMFS are the lowest paid oral surgeons in the country and you’re stuck for 4-8 years.

Only 100k debt for GP let alone OMFS is an amazing place to be
 
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adentalstudent1234 said:
I really appreciate the insight! I’m not sure if the name will really carry any weight for military based residencies, but maybe. However the P/F is huge and I think that would be a huge stressor off my shoulders and may have a better overall dental school experience haha.
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Yes I agree regarding it being a huge stressor off your shoulders. I went to a ranked dental school and it made it stressful. The vibe changed once rankings came out after our D1 fall semester. All those at the top wanted to stay there and those who were ranked a lot lower became intense bc they were disappointed they weren't higher. For some, it became a source of self-validation and identity that they were the "top". Best of luck to you as your begin your journey!
 
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If you can graduate from Creighton with only $100k that’s what I would do and forgo the HPSP. Makes no sense to do the HPSP just to go to Harvard.

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adentalstudent1234 said:
I’m debating between army and Air Force, I’m not sure which one would be better. Any insight?
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See which branch will allow you to do a civilian program (navy does). From what I've heard from close friends, is that military OMFS programs are not as busy as civilian
 
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If you got into HSDM then you have what it takes to match into OMFS from anywhere.
Columbia and Harvard are the only 2 schools where I do think there is SOME (still minimal) benefit when it comes to matching OMFS but a majority of it depends on the student. You need a good CBSE score. If you don't have that, you won't match.
Those 2 schools don't rank students so life is a little easier compared to the rest of the schools in the country that rank. But CBSE is still way more important than rank...if you have the score, you will match
 
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adentalstudent1234 said:
Thank you for this! I guess would it be a valid argument to say that med curriculum is a significant advantage, or not really considering you have to learn a large majority of it on your own anyways?
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The med curriculum helps expose you to the material, but so do plenty of outside resources. Even if you are exposed to the material, you have to study hard for the CBSE and complete practice questions independently. Med students have dedicated time off for step 1 to do this. Of course it is an advantage to hear the material in a structured classroom setting and to be tested on it...this helps with learning and retention which would make CBSE easier. But if you are a disciplined student, you can figure out how to do this without needing to go to Harvard or Columbia. Plenty of students go to OMFS from other programs.

Matching is hard work, dedication and discipline. This is all dependent on the student, not the dental school. Hope this helps!
 
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This is a simpler decision than you’re making it out to be…

Decide if you are going to join the military or not. If yes, go to HSDM. If no, go to Creighton. If you work hard you’ll get into OMFS from either direction.

Do not go to HSDM on loans for OMFS. Why pay 500k+ when you could do it for 100k?

Source: am OMFS resident, went to an Ivy, most of my coresidents did not, and we’re all in the same place.
 
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Go to Creighton. I think you’ll get better clinical training there.

Harvard is notorious for excellent didactic training, but suboptimal clinical training.

Plus, Creighton is cheaper. This alone should be the deciding factor. The crushing dental school debt caca (thanks to administrators) is a pig in a poke.

You need to think short term.

It rarely is helpful to say, “I’ll do x, and it will cost me a lot more, because in 4 years, it will help me do y.”

DM me for the unadulterated scoop.
 
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