165K in Brooklyn??

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Doctors, Once GOP Stalwarts, Now More Likely to Be Democrats

The historic shift, driven by changes in the business of medicine and women entering the profession, comes with the overall movement of college-educated people to the Democratic Party. The realignment is changing where physicians live and work, how they treat patients and how they influence the...

www.wsj.com

Hilary E. Fairbrother, a Democrat, grew up in Helena, Mont., went to medical school in Atlanta and trained as an emergency physician in New York City. When it came time to find her first job, she spoke to a hospital in her hometown and learned she could start out making $350,000 a year as an attending emergency physician there. But instead, she took a comparable job in Brooklyn paying $165,000 because she was young and single and wanted to live in a big city.

Are there seriously this many docs willing to work for such low pay...just to be in a “big city”. JFC

 

[deleted480308]

Just read this in an article:

Doctors, Once GOP Stalwarts, Now More Likely to Be Democrats

The historic shift, driven by changes in the business of medicine and women entering the profession, comes with the overall movement of college-educated people to the Democratic Party. The realignment is changing where physicians live and work, how they treat patients and how they influence the...

www.wsj.com

Hilary E. Fairbrother, a Democrat, grew up in Helena, Mont., went to medical school in Atlanta and trained as an emergency physician in New York City. When it came time to find her first job, she spoke to a hospital in her hometown and learned she could start out making $350,000 a year as an attending emergency physician there. But instead, she took a comparable job in Brooklyn paying $165,000 because she was young and single and wanted to live in a big city.

Are there seriously this many docs willing to work for such low pay...just to be in a “big city”. JFC

I’m gonna cal bullcrap, no way that’s a full time EM gig

 

[GonnaBeADoc2222]

I've heard of a Sinai affiliated place in Queens paying 300k

 

[thegenius]

I’m gonna cal bullcrap, no way that’s a full time EM gig

My guess as well.

However nobody is forcing her to take that job. If you want to take a low paying job in a high cost of living location, then go for it. She had another offer.

Free market!

 

[alpinism]

She must be working part time.

Even the lowest paying NYC jobs are still around 150 per hour = 250 per year.

 

[oldtown]

Just read this in an article:

Doctors, Once GOP Stalwarts, Now More Likely to Be Democrats

The historic shift, driven by changes in the business of medicine and women entering the profession, comes with the overall movement of college-educated people to the Democratic Party. The realignment is changing where physicians live and work, how they treat patients and how they influence the...

www.wsj.com

Hilary E. Fairbrother, a Democrat, grew up in Helena, Mont., went to medical school in Atlanta and trained as an emergency physician in New York City. When it came time to find her first job, she spoke to a hospital in her hometown and learned she could start out making $350,000 a year as an attending emergency physician there. But instead, she took a comparable job in Brooklyn paying $165,000 because she was young and single and wanted to live in a big city.

Are there seriously this many docs willing to work for such low pay...just to be in a “big city”. JFC

She was an acquaintance (even that’s a stretch) when I trained in NYC at a different program.. This was 10 years ago. Queens jobs paid $180K then, Manhattan was around $140-150K. This was for about 1632 clinical hrs/year. I would imagine Brooklyn was in between. No idea what NYC jobs pay now, but I imagine it still sucks.

 

[Bill Brasky]

All the good Western cities are getting saturated, if she wants to keep a job open by working for a bag of Cheetos per hour in NYC that’s fine by me.

 

[DO3]

Had a colleague go to nyc recently and he said $150-$180k was what he was being offered.

 

[GonnaBeADoc2222]

Had a colleague go to nyc recently and he said $150-$180k was what he was being offered.

I'm guessing this is academia. There are places in NYC paying 300k.

 

[deleted941485]

I'm guessing this is academia. There are places in NYC paying 300k.

What hospitals in the 5 boroughs aren’t part of a large system that purports to be academic

 

[betamale]

Just read this in an article:

Doctors, Once GOP Stalwarts, Now More Likely to Be Democrats

The historic shift, driven by changes in the business of medicine and women entering the profession, comes with the overall movement of college-educated people to the Democratic Party. The realignment is changing where physicians live and work, how they treat patients and how they influence the...

www.wsj.com

Hilary E. Fairbrother, a Democrat, grew up in Helena, Mont., went to medical school in Atlanta and trained as an emergency physician in New York City. When it came time to find her first job, she spoke to a hospital in her hometown and learned she could start out making $350,000 a year as an attending emergency physician there. But instead, she took a comparable job in Brooklyn paying $165,000 because she was young and single and wanted to live in a big city.

Are there seriously this many docs willing to work for such low pay...just to be in a “big city”. JFC

Dang. I have two friends that did the same; moved to Manhattan and DC and both can't break $200K. I'm just happy at my $600k Midwest job

 

[Listen2Savage]

Dang. I have two friends that did the same; moved to Manhattan and DC and both can't break $200K. I'm just happy at my $600k Midwest job

jezues cristo, what state

 

[betamale]

jezues cristo, what state

Don't want to say. But you can make same in MO, OK, KS; $250/hr and work >15 twelve hour shifts

 

[Fox800]

Don't want to say. But you can make same in MO, OK, KS; $250/hr and work >15 twelve hour shifts

You're basically working 1.5 FTEs, so there's that. Most folks are working 120-130ish hr/mo. You're at 180+.

 

[emergentmd]

150K in NYC. Some just can't be helped.

 

[deleted941485]

150K in NYC. Some just can't be helped.

The going rate for crnas in Manhattan is 180-230K plus more with OT and regular breaks and a member of the nursing union. These docs are suckers. Even if they can’t see themselves ever leaving these god forsaken cities could they at least do us all a favor and stop teaching residents? Honestly you aren’t training “doctors of the future” you’re training drones to do your paperwork and put up with bull**** for 2/3 of the price.

 

[emergentmd]

High cost of living, congested, liberal havens, crazy taxes, 1/2 pay.

I get that people love the city. If I loved NYC that much, I would live somewhere paying 400K and visit NYC 6 times a year.

 

[betamale]

High cost of living, congested, liberal havens, crazy taxes, 1/2 pay.

I get that people love the city. If I loved NYC that much, I would live somewhere paying 400K and visit NYC 6 times a year.

I worked a locums job outside NYC for a while and kept my full time job. Worst financial mistake ever; I got paid 1/2 for twice the volume. I really hoped moving to NY was going to improve my dating prospects but then I realized I'm competing with models. It was a lose-lose. Country folks around my area aren't too bad anyway, plus less snooty.

 

[deleted941485]

I worked a locums job outside NYC for a while and kept my full time job. Worst financial mistake ever; I got paid 1/2 for twice the volume. I really hoped moving to NY was going to improve my dating prospects but then I realized I'm competing with models. It was a lose-lose. Country folks around my area aren't too bad anyway, plus less snooty.

Competing with models? Dude your competing with 25y/o Ivy League hedge fund douchebags, trust fund babies, Big law shysters, real estate tycoons, and a myraid of scheming businessmen for food, decent shelter, and mates (who are for the most part into dudes who make a lot of money).

You’re the ugly kid at the dance standing next to the punch.

150K isn’t getting anybody moist.

 

[emergentmd]

Making 150K/y in NYC makes you look like that ordinary dime a dozen kid. If someone thinks they are a hotshot at that NYC income, they just need to look at their 1 bedroom apt that that walk into which would be similar to someone making 30K/yr in most parts of the country.

 

[deleted941485]

Good friend of mine did pain in NYC for 15 years. I finally got to see his apartment in Manhattan. It was 500sqft and he lived there with his wife and kid.

I hadn’t a larger apartment during residency and he’s paying 8000/mo. Not worth anybodies time.

 

[GonnaBeADoc2222]

Guys...we all know NYC is expensive and doesn't pay well...some people want to live there (not me either)...it's ok....

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[miacomet]

I'm guessing this is academia. There are places in NYC paying 300k.

Interviewed extensively in NYC a few years ago. Highest was 320k. Even notoriously stingy Columbia was paying 225k. I don't think anyone pays 150k anymore, although that was not unusual a decade ago. All these jobs, needless to say, are dumpster fires and demanded a ton of hours, 144 a month or something.

 

[betamale]

Competing with models? Dude your competing with 25y/o Ivy League hedge fund douchebags, trust fund babies, Big law shysters, real estate tycoons, and a myraid of scheming businessmen for food, decent shelter, and mates (who are for the most part into dudes who make a lot of money).

You’re the ugly kid at the dance standing next to the punch.

150K isn’t getting anybody moist.

True. Minneapolis and Denver - great nightlife, cheaper.

But if you really want to work in NYC, check out CityMD (urgent care). I spoke to them at ACEP and they were offering 250-280k (salary, benefits, productivity) last year.

 

[deleted941485]

True. Minneapolis and Denver - great nightlife, cheaper.

But if you really want to work in NYC, check out CityMD (urgent care). I spoke to them at ACEP and they were offering 250-280k (salary, benefits, productivity) last year.

Still not moist

 

[deleted547339]

Still not moist

Please stop saying that word.

 

[Fox800]

Please stop saying that word.

Which word?

 

[deleted859535]

Which word?

I love a good, moist cake, don't you?

 

[miacomet]

Still not moist

True. Minneapolis and Denver - great nightlife, cheaper.

But if you really want to work in NYC, check out CityMD (urgent care). I spoke to them at ACEP and they were offering 250-280k (salary, benefits, productivity) last year.

I've heard their productivity is pretty hard to get and that the company is not so great to work for, with a lot of the $$$ going to the founders and a bunch of middle managers.

 

[Fox800]

True. Minneapolis and Denver - great nightlife, cheaper.

But if you really want to work in NYC, check out CityMD (urgent care). I spoke to them at ACEP and they were offering 250-280k (salary, benefits, productivity) last year.

Minneapolis - you'll be trudging through in brown slush under grey skies 5 months of the year. Pay is admittedly really good, but you get to pay 9.85% state income taxes to subsidize their amaaaaaaazing public school systems and public benefits for huge refugee families. People don't sue much, unless one of your ED midlevels at your large tertiary hospital misdiagnoses septic postpartum endometritis as a "URI" and the patient returns dying 12 hours later - then your group gets to pay out a $20,000,000 verdict (largest in state history) and the NP quietly retires. Because MN has no MedMal reform.

Denver is much milder and has less snowy days and more sun. Downside is you'll be pulling $140/hr working with USUCKS at the Centura hospitals. But you're in Denver maaaaaaan. Better to join a travel team and live in CO. Enjoy your Patagucci, mountain biking, shredding fresh pow, craft beer, and all of the granola-munching hippies you can handle.

 

[Listen2Savage]

misdiagnoses septic postpartum endometritis as a "URI" and the patient returns dying 12 hours later - then your group gets to pay out a $20,000,000 verdict (largest in state history) and the NP quietly retires. Because MN has no MedMal reform.

512 × 384

 

[Fox800]

512 × 384

Twin Cities jury awards $20M in malpractice case for woman who died after giving birth

Her family claimed an ER nurse failed to diagnose sepsis.

www.startribune.com

 

[emergentmd]

I rather have the Texas heat 6 mo out of the year rather than 6 months of freezing/snow. Winter is great and you can go out in shorts 10-11 mo in the year.

No State income tax. Great Medmal reform. Good rate. FSER option. I pull in 175/hr seeing 6 pts in a 24hrs. Why would I want to make 175/hr seeing 3 pts/hr while taking a 6-10% income tax haircut

 

[Fox800]

I rather have the Texas heat 6 mo out of the year rather than 6 months of freezing/snow. Winter is great and you can go out in shorts 10-11 mo in the year.

No State income tax. Great Medmal reform. Good rate. FSER option. I pull in 175/hr seeing 6 pts in a 24hrs. Why would I want to make 175/hr seeing 3 pts/hr while taking a 6-10% income tax haircut

Fair point for someone mid-career with no debt. For a new grad, $175/hr is pretty sully. I pulled $250/hr moonlighting as a PGY-3 in the midwest. Having student loan debt off your back changes your perspective.

 

[Trollest]

ah, welcome to the future. Coming to a place near you. If NYC is offering 150k contract; just imagine what hospital in the middle of nowhere are offering.

 

[wamcp]

512 × 384

How about over 5 times that at 110 million bucks, awarded because “ecmo wasn’t provided?”

Bronx woman awarded more than $110 million in malpractice lawsuit against St. Barnabas Hospital, doctors

A Bronx grandmother was awarded a whopping $110.6 million in a malpractice lawsuit against St. Barnabas Hospital and several doctors over their care of a December 2010 asthma attack that triggered …

www.nydailynews.com

 

[Listen2Savage]

How about over 5 times that at 110 million bucks, awarded because “ecmo wasn’t provided?”

Bronx woman awarded more than $110 million in malpractice lawsuit against St. Barnabas Hospital, doctors

A Bronx grandmother was awarded a whopping $110.6 million in a malpractice lawsuit against St. Barnabas Hospital and several doctors over their care of a December 2010 asthma attack that triggered …

www.nydailynews.com

thats effing crazy

 

[Fox800]

How about over 5 times that at 110 million bucks, awarded because “ecmo wasn’t provided?”

Bronx woman awarded more than $110 million in malpractice lawsuit against St. Barnabas Hospital, doctors

A Bronx grandmother was awarded a whopping $110.6 million in a malpractice lawsuit against St. Barnabas Hospital and several doctors over their care of a December 2010 asthma attack that triggered …

www.nydailynews.com

And that's why you don't practice in NY.

 

[miacomet]

An acquaintance in NYC was named in a lawsuit for not transferring a patient for ECMO. Patient had received back alley silicone injections, which she did not reveal in the ER, causing pneumonitis.

How is the doc supposed to know this was the cause? Insane. Sue the back-alley silicone injector.

 

[medic86]

You all should see some of the comments on this cycle's EM spreadsheet about what my fellow applicants think EM physicians should be paid/would happily take. Scary stuff.

 

[Rekt]

You all should see some of the comments on this cycle's EM spreadsheet about what my fellow applicants think EM physicians should be paid/would happily take. Scary stuff.

I'm a resident and have been perusing the sheet. The end is near. They think 100/hr is acceptable. Get out asap.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Dang. I have two friends that did the same; moved to Manhattan and DC and both can't break $200K. I'm just happy at my $600k Midwest job

For the love of God, please stop telling people about the Midwest!

For those who read Petegriffin's post: There is absolutely nothing to do here, you don't want to come here, just fly over on your way to the other coast. It's a miserable place full of rednecks, hillbilly's, and pickup-truck drivers. There is nothing to do, and nothing to see here, so don't even drive through here.

Worse yet, it's full of TRUMP supporters, so avoid at all costs! (even that $200K miserable-ass job in NYC).

150K in NYC. Some just can't be helped.

Just look at NYC voting patterns.

People don't sue much, unless one of your ED midlevels at your large tertiary hospital misdiagnoses septic postpartum endometritis as a "URI" and the patient returns dying 12 hours later - then your group gets to pay out a $20,000,000 verdict (largest in state history) and the NP quietly retires. Because MN has no MedMal reform.

An ortho PA killed by an incompetent NP who should never have been allowed in the ED. Not sure if $20mil is enough.

 

[doctalaughs]

When you account for cost of living, the earnings difference between NYC and a mid-sized average town in the USA is literally 10 fold for physicians. The same average salary difference between a janitor and a neurosurgon.

And the funny thing is salary usually works in the opposite direction for most “top talent” professions. The average NYC mid-career (not senior) ibankers, law partners and hedge fund vps (not even top managers) make 2-3 mill/yr because they can only do so in those few cities; elsewhere they are paid 500k (which is equivalent in cost of living anyway).

Only the doctors take a huge paycut- not sure why we have more suckers maybe? Those places have enough wealth that they could easily pay docs 1 mill apiece and not blink an eye (a city tax of 0.5% on the people making above 5 mill in NYC alone would fund the doctors making a fair salary).

 

[GeneralVeers]

Only the doctors take a huge paycut- not sure why we have more suckers maybe? Those places have enough wealth that they could easily pay docs 1 mill apiece and not blink an eye (a city tax of 0.5% on the people making above 5 mill in NYC alone would fund the doctors making a fair salary).

It has nothing to do with the wealth of the city. Our salaries are also are always inversely proportional to the desirability of a city. New York, San Diego, Austin and LA always have more people wanting to work there than there are jobs. Therefore companies can get away with paying nothing to recruit (stupid) physicians.

 

[GonnaBeADoc2222]

And the funny thing is salary usually works in the opposite direction for most “top talent” professions. The average NYC mid-career (not senior) ibankers, law partners and hedge fund vps (not even top managers) make 2-3 mill/yr because they can only do so in those few cities; elsewhere they are paid 500k (which is equivalent in cost of living anyway).

Calling BS on this statement.

These people also work a billion hours a year.

 

[Brigade4Radiant]

Also you just can’t become an VP healthcare admins make more than docs they are only salaried like 100k because of taxes while they get bonuses that they receive a 25% tax on while remaining employees.

 

[GeneralVeers]

Also you just can’t become an VP healthcare admins make more than docs they are only salaried like 100k because of taxes while they get bonuses that they receive a 25% tax on while remaining employees.

I've looked at switching to hospital admit, Pharma, etc and the most they pay is $250-300K range. At this point I'm not willing to take a big pay cut.

 

[Apollyon]

I've looked at switching to hospital admit, Pharma, etc and the most they pay is $250-300K range. At this point I'm not willing to take a big pay cut.

/humblebrag

 

[GonnaBeADoc2222]

I've looked at switching to hospital admit, Pharma, etc and the most they pay is $250-300K range. At this point I'm not willing to take a big pay cut.

And you sell your soul

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[GeneralVeers]

And you sell your soul

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We've destroyed our own profession, and allowed the government and CMGs to do it. When we make <200K doing this job, what's the point working any more? I'm looking at 3-5 years in the future. My choices at that point are to leave the country, or get out of clinical medicine.