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[foil]

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Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism. –Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867)


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[Coastie]

Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism. –Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867)


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Chairman Maobama. You guys think I just make that name up for no reason?

Somebody lookup and see how communism treated tens of millions of people during the 20th century.

Unfortunately, you can't ask them, because they're dead.

 

[starsop93]

Chairman Maobama. You guys think I just make that name up for no reason?

Somebody lookup and see how communism treated tens of millions of people during the 20th century.

Unfortunately, you can't ask them, because they're dead.

I can think of quite a few atrocities perpetrated by extreme right-wing ideology in the 20th century as well...

The country started going to hell long before Obama took the oath. While I haven't agreed with everything he has done so far, the great strides he has made over his predecessor in only a few months are breathtaking.

You can feel confindent that when things recover, the deregulators will likely gain power again and send the economy off the cliff once again. God forbid we ever enjoy the quality of life of the Swedes and French.

Why don't you turn off Glenn Beck, take off your foil hat, and do a couple of shots for Christ's sake.

 

[Impromptu]

European extreme right wing politics (past and present) are pretty scary. They want to nationalize big companies and exert enormous government control over everything. It is polar opposite from the libertarian minded right wing in the USA. Left or right, fight fascism with all you've got.

 

[cfdavid]

I can think of quite a few atrocities perpetrated by extreme right-wing ideology in the 20th century as well...

The country started going to hell long before Obama took the oath. While I haven't agreed with everything he has done so far, the great strides he has made over his predecessor in only a few months are breathtaking.

You can feel confindent that when things recover, the deregulators will likely gain power again and send the economy off the cliff once again. God forbid we ever enjoy the quality of life of the Swedes and French.

Why don't you turn off Glenn Beck, take off your foil hat, and do a couple of shots for Christ's sake.

fascism paled in comparison to what the communists did in the early 1900's and then 1940's. this is in overall deaths. these are the facts.

i agree that we MUST not forget that it was the neo-conservative a.sholes in the Republican party that DID start us down this road, INCLUDING the "socialist" one (BUSH and original TARP...., not to mention non-TARP related spending).

also, i agree that many models of europe might be preferable to the capitalism that we USED to have here. but, you know what? we're not the Swedes. We don't have the society of Denmark, or Finland, or even France.

we have a much more complex dynamic here in the US.

driving down the mean streets of Stokholm can't be the same as driving down some of the neighborhoods here in the U.S. period.

here's a good alternative to changing things in the Republican party as articlulated by Peter Schiff. check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BXLfbHE4t0&feature=channel_page

 

[RussianJoo]

my family moved to the US to escape communism.. looks like we'll have to move back to Russia to escape it again. how ironic.

 

[Bertelman]

Raise your hand if you *honestly* believe the U.S. will become a Communist empire.

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[deleted21609]

Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and technology, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalized, and the State will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism. –Karl Marx, Das Kapital, 1867)


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"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money"
Alexis de Tocqueville 1805-1859

Raise your hand if you honestly think Obama/Pelosi are not trying to bribe the public with the public's money!

 

[Stank811]

If you want to argue who caused this mess it was C&C Clinton who passed into law the repeal of the glass steagall act

 

[h2oriderz]

I can think of quite a few atrocities perpetrated by extreme right-wing ideology in the 20th century as well...

The country started going to hell long before Obama took the oath. While I haven't agreed with everything he has done so far, the great strides he has made over his predecessor in only a few months are breathtaking.
You can feel confindent that when things recover, the deregulators will likely gain power again and send the economy off the cliff once again. God forbid we ever enjoy the quality of life of the Swedes and French.

Why don't you turn off Glenn Beck, take off your foil hat, and do a couple of shots for Christ's sake.

Breathtaking?? Do you also get that funny feeling going up your leg when you hear him speak?

 

[starsop93]

Breathtaking?? Do you also get that funny feeling going up your leg when you hear him speak?

I kinda put that in as a joke to see how many posts it would take for someone to comment on it. I thought it would be the first!

Anyway, I do think the goodwill and respect that he has gained around the world has the potential to remake our foreign policy into one of mutual respect and decency, which should make most conflicts easier to deal with. It has already lead to flickers of improvements in the middle east. Anti-US sentiment isn't quite the recruiting tool it was during the Bush years.

That being said Obama has a LONG way to go with foreign and domestic policy. I hope for all our sake he is successful in turning things around.

 

[lord_jeebus]

Fake Marx quote.

Nothing like that appears in Das Kapital. I think the wording gives it away. There are free fulltexts that can be downloaded if anyone cares to investigate.

 

[Josh L.Ac.]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/consumerdebt.asp

 

[foil]

Bravo,




still gives us something to consider,

always keep a wide and open perspective

 

[Bertelman]

Bravo,




still gives us something to consider,

always keep a wide and open perspective

What exactly are we supposed to consider from a false quote of a communist leader submitted as a comment on a NYTimes blog?

Would anyone have considered this at all if Marx weren't attached? It's not as if this was part of Obama's grand plan from decades ago. No one could have suspected the circumstances that would greet our newest president, be it Obama or McCain, 2 years ago when they began campaigning.

 

[foil]

(What exactly are we supposed to consider)

Just one more step heading to "the new world order"

keep it wide bro





peace -out

 

[pgg]

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money”
Alexis de Tocqueville 1805-1859

Raise your hand if you honestly think Obama/Pelosi are not trying to bribe the public with the public's money!

So, did you also raise your hand and object with similar visceral anger to GWB's trillion dollar prescription drug benefit for the elderly when he needed votes for reelection?

Of course they're trying to bribe the public. It's worked for every other president in my lifetime (at least, until the public got "wise" and voted a new briber into office to show the old no-good-dirty-politician the public is ready to be bribed differently for a while).

I can't believe you think this is some kind of new phenomenon. What's it like under that rock?

Luckily, all they have to do is print more dollars. They'll never run out of ink and everything will be OK. Besides, all it takes for the fed to buy up US treasuries is flipping a couple of 1s and 0s in some computer somewhere. Our government is so efficient they can print money without even using ink or paper! Change we can believe in, indeed. 🙂

 

[deleted21609]

So, did you also raise your hand and object with similar visceral anger to GWB's trillion dollar prescription drug benefit for the elderly when he needed votes for reelection?

Of course they're trying to bribe the public. It's worked for every other president in my lifetime (at least, until the public got "wise" and voted a new briber into office to show the old no-good-dirty-politician the public is ready to be bribed differently for a while).

I can't believe you think this is some kind of new phenomenon. What's it like under that rock?

Luckily, all they have to do is print more dollars. They'll never run out of ink and everything will be OK. Besides, all it takes for the fed to buy up US treasuries is flipping a couple of 1s and 0s in some computer somewhere. Our government is so efficient they can print money without even using ink or paper! Change we can believe in, indeed. 🙂

It isn't new, but it is worse than it has ever been in recent history.
I thought the prescription drug plan was idiotic.
I think entitlement programs do way more harm than good.
It is scary to see this expansion of government.
The worst thing is that entitlements are almost impossible to get rid of.
The damage being done will probably not be repaired in my lifetime.
We should have a commodity-backed currency, then the DC thieves couldn't just print more.
What are red-blooded Americans who believe in capitalism and the Constitution to do as our country is corrupted further and further from its libertarian ideals?