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SilvrGrey330

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1) Are halogens Ortho/Para/Meta activators or deactivators? i'm seeing 2 versions in my notes, can someone clarify

2) Can someone tell me mechanism of epoxides and if its trans/cis for acid or base catalysts.

thanks in advance.
 
SilvrGrey330 said:
1) Are halogens Ortho/Para/Meta activators or deactivators? i'm seeing 2 versions in my notes, can someone clarify

2) Can someone tell me mechanism of epoxides and if its trans/cis for acid or base catalysts.

thanks in advance.

Halogens are deactivators but ortho/para directing(exception to the general rule)

acid catalysis of epoxide:
an acid attacks the O of the epoxide ring and protonates it, then water attacks the C of the epoxide ring and opens it producing a H3O+ on one C and an OH- on the other. After that H2O comes to the molecule and converts H3O+ to OH. So we have an Anti addition alcohol via the SN2 mechanism.

base catalysis:
the base attacks the C of the epoxide ring and opens it rendering an OH- on the unattacked carbon and OH on the attacked carbon. now water come to play and protonates the OH-, creating an anti alcohol.

be carefull that of we use ROH instead of H2O, we will have an OR instead of OH on the attacked carbon.

However, I dont think that ethers are gonna be tested on the MCAT
 
cool thanks, and, halogens are classified as Electrong Withdrawing groups b/c they are very EN correct?
 
chicagomel said:
What if the epoxide is asymmetrical?

Epoxides are a very rare MCAT topic, but I think they're cool, so here goes.

When dealing with asymmetrical epoxides:

Acid catalyzed ring opening: The epoxide O is protonated by acid, creating a good leaving group b/c it leaves as an uncharged hydroxyl group. Although the ring doesn't "open" per se until the water/base comes in to attack one of the carbons, it is helpful to "think" of the ring opening to understand the mechanism. When the ring opens, you're going to generate a carbocation (analogous to an Sn1 reaction) on one of the epoxide carbons, thus, you want to form the most stable carbocation (ie. most substituted carbon gets the charge, the least substituted carbon gets the hydroxyl). Thus the water/base will attack at the most substituted (the "carbocation" carbon).

Base catalyzed ring opening of epoxides: This time a base catalyst is coming in and attacking a carbon, backside to the epoxide, analogous to an Sn2 reaction. Thus, you need a strong base (strong nucleophile, thus negatively charged), and that base wants to attack at a carbon with the least steric hindrence ie. the least substituted carbon, pushing the epoxide O to the most substituted carbon. The negatively charged O is then protonated by removing a proton from your base, thus regenerating your base catalyst.

So in summary, both react to form the most stable intermediate in different ways:
Acid catalysis ("Sn1" carbocation) : hydroxyl (epoxide O) on least substitued carbon, base on most substituted carbon
Base catalysis ("Sn2" steric hindrence): hydroxyl group (epoxide O) on most substitued carbon, base attacks least substituted carbon.

Good luck!
 
you meant this right:

"Base catalysis("Sn2" steric hindrence): hydroxyl group (epoxide O) on least substitued carbon, base on MOST substituted carbon."

thanks
 
SilvrGrey330 said:
you meant this right:

"Base catalysis("Sn2" steric hindrence): hydroxyl group (epoxide O) on least substitued carbon, base on MOST substituted carbon."

thanks

Not quite, but thanks for noticing a mistake in typing! I did definitely make a typo, but it's the opposite:

Base catalysis ("Sn2" steric hindrence considerations): thus hydroxyl group (epoxide O) to the MOST substituted carbon, base attacks at the LEAST susbstituted carbon

Sorry for the repeated text and confusion!

*I edited the previous post, so everything should match up and be correctly stated now*
 
ahh makes perfect sense now,

i knew that there were 2 kinds, most substituted and least, and it all rested on wether it was acid or base catalysis.
 
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