2010-2011 Rank Order List Thread

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Alright guys, the rank list is closed!
Keeping with tradition, I'll go in reverse order:

12. St. Louis: only applied because I'm couples matching and the program for my SO is one of the best. Nice people, but just did not get a good vibe.
11. Rush: Felt this was ~= Loyola but perhaps a bit weaker overall. Small program. Wonderful lunch! Haha. Would prefer not to live in Chicago due to COL and a less strong reputation than RIC.
10. Loyola: Lots of VA. Small. Good exposure to procedures.
9. Ohio State: Weak program for SO. Otherwise would have been much higher. Good exposure to everything. Columbus is nice, have family there.
8. Emory: Good exposure to everything. Shepherd Center is amazing. Hate Atlanta traffic. Hate.
7. UPMC: Weaker program for SO. Otherwise would have been much higher. Loved everything about the program.
6. IU: Good exposure. Residents get a lot of hands on experience. Small program is a minus and is far away from rest of med center.
5. RIC: Strong rep, great exposure except perhaps for some procedures, talented faculty and residents. Can do anything you want from here
4. Case Western MetroHealth: Strong program for SO. Otherwise would have more middle of the pack. Good exposure. Liked their research curriculum. Great COL and I actually like Cleveland.
3. Univ. Washington: Strong rep, great exposure, loved Seattle. Can go anywhere afterwards. Far from home. Higher COL.
2. Spaulding: Strong rep, great exposure, a little intimidated by the brightness of people at Spaulding and MGH. Can go anywhere afterwards. High COL. Different lifestyle than I'm used to.
1. Mayo: Love the program and the people. Provides SO with the lifestyle we want in a place we really love (I know Rochester isn't for everyone). It just felt right.

Best of luck everyone! I hope the next few weeks go quickly. :luck:
 
Alright guys, the rank list is closed!
Keeping with tradition, I'll go in reverse order:

12. St. Louis: only applied because I'm couples matching and the program for my SO is one of the best. Nice people, but just did not get a good vibe.
11. Rush: Felt this was ~= Loyola but perhaps a bit weaker overall. Small program. Wonderful lunch! Haha. Would prefer not to live in Chicago due to COL and a less strong reputation than RIC.
10. Loyola: Lots of VA. Small. Good exposure to procedures.
9. Ohio State: Weak program for SO. Otherwise would have been much higher. Good exposure to everything. Columbus is nice, have family there.
8. Emory: Good exposure to everything. Shepherd Center is amazing. Hate Atlanta traffic. Hate.
7. UPMC: Weaker program for SO. Otherwise would have been much higher. Loved everything about the program.
6. IU: Good exposure. Residents get a lot of hands on experience. Small program is a minus and is far away from rest of med center.
5. RIC: Strong rep, great exposure except perhaps for some procedures, talented faculty and residents. Can do anything you want from here
4. Case Western MetroHealth: Strong program for SO. Otherwise would have more middle of the pack. Good exposure. Liked their research curriculum. Great COL and I actually like Cleveland.
3. Univ. Washington: Strong rep, great exposure, loved Seattle. Can go anywhere afterwards. Far from home. Higher COL.
2. Spaulding: Strong rep, great exposure, a little intimidated by the brightness of people at Spaulding and MGH. Can go anywhere afterwards. High COL. Different lifestyle than I'm used to.
1. Mayo: Love the program and the people. Provides SO with the lifestyle we want in a place we really love (I know Rochester isn't for everyone). It just felt right.

Best of luck everyone! I hope the next few weeks go quickly. :luck:

WOW! What an amazing ROL! You must be ridiculously smart!!
 
9/8: UT/Baylor Alliance: great match but little Flexability
7: Univeristy of Alabama Birmingham: Lots of Electives/Home Institution
6: Baylor Dallas: loved the program community so concerned with match
5: Emory: Loved program hate traffic grew up in ATL wanted a changed
4: Carolinas: Luv the program but singles life is questionable
3: UTSW: loved the program; lots of procedures; family in town
2: NYU: Great feeling; umm NY; they are demolishing RUSK so some concern but they are also shifting to outpatient clinics with improves MSK; Family also
1:Cornell/Columbia: I Luv NYP; great feel; great match; HSS; MSK;

Really it came down to location cause UTSW really impressed me but I will never get a chance to NYC in my 20's
 
Almost 280 views and only 2 ROL's?
 
5) Mayo - This was a bit of a tough one because I loved the program, the people, the opportunities, and just felt that "click" during my interview day. But location was the only thing that kept this program out of my # 1 or 2 slot as my SO couldn't continue her current career in Rochester. Also, Sports fellowship that is beyond competitive. But ya, just top notch across the board, especially MSK!

4) Rush - Pleasantly surprised by this program! Didn't think it'd be this high on my list but the facilities are great and there's lots of opportunity for MSK, spine, sports, and electives during your PM&R training. Also, Chicago works very well for my SO and I.

3) Spaulding - Rotated here and had a great experience. Boston's a really cool city as well, although it's a bit far from home. Great, well-rounded program with exposure to everything you could ask for, plenty of elective opportunities, and resources beyond imagination. Pain and Sports fellowships attached. Also, Spaulding probably had the coolest group of residents I met along the way!

2) UW - Also rotated here an really enjoyed myself. This is a very resident driven program that provides excellent education to its residents. They worked hard and new their stuff cold! Great didactics, doing anything and everything to improve an already stellar program, Sports fellowship is awesome. There's a reason why so many program directors and department chairs have spent at least some time at UW - the pedigree is undeniable. Close to home for me (Western Canada). This was my #1 for a LONG time but just couldn't deny...

1) RIC - What can you say?! Great program, great rep, exposure to everything that is PM&R, top notch education, elective time, research opportunities abound (if you're into it), pain and sports fellowships. Chicago works well for my SO and I and it's just a short DIRECT flight from home. Felt really comfortable and welcome on my interview day and the residents were really rad!

Now just holding my breath until March 17th. I'd be lucky to match anywhere in my top 5 and I look forward to calling you guys and girls my colleagues in the not-too-distant future. Now let's keep the ball rolling on this thread and do our SDN PM&R predecessors proud!
 
Best of luck in Match. PM&R getting more and more competitive all the time. Lots of great programs on your lists. Ones that were all in my top ten for the most part. It is a great field. Let me know if anyone will be joining me in Rocheser.

Welcome to PM&R

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I applaud you guys for being posting you actual ROLs in order with reasoning. You have no idea how helpful this is to your future colleagues.

Good luck to everyone!
 
dont post much, but i love these and feel like i should contribute:
6.miami-dark horse program that is definitely on its way up and just awesome location
5. Baylor-great rep, location and reputation, maybe a lil weaker in msk, mainly location is what kept it from being on top
4. jefferson-awesome program, philly is a solid city, offers everything could have very easily been #1, once again this location based
3. cornell/columbia-ditto as above
2. spaulding-def agree with earlier posters, the residents here were awesome, gets a lil far from home and not sure how much i like the location of the new hospital
1. ric-offers everything with a big residency class and in chicago
 
Ranked by best overall fit (for me) with various highlighted considerations and other musings.

Good Fit - Will be happy to train here.

Univ of Chicago: Really friendly and supportive PD. Low-key dress code, i.e., wear clothes (nice!). But could just never shake the bad vibes I got from the interview day, mainly from one attending during the panel interview. It wasn't that bad, but was nevertheless the most unpleasant moment on an otherwise very fun interview trail. Probably not really a problem as a resident, but it stuck with me. Resident-led facility tour was lackluster. Only 3 weeks vacation (why?). Still very rank-able as I'm sure the training is good.

Nassau: Protected didactics. Strong OMT exp if desired. Light call? Mediocre facilities, a bunch of them in the basement w/o windows, though a big renovation is underway. Only 3 weeks vacation (why?).

Case Western: Great PD. Awesome program coordinator. Excellent research support. Interesting work on FES. Super friendly residents and faculty. Only 3 weeks vacation but tons of holidays. Mediocre call room. Cleveland was "just a'ight for me, dog."

Better Fit - Will be excited to train here.

SUNY Stony Brook: Excellent program with a lesser-known name. Outpatient focus with awesome procedural experience. Strong didactics and board prep. Passionate, committed PD. 4 months electives/selectives. Great salary, and nice area on the north shore.

"UCLA": Excellent medium-sized program. By rep, great training in msk, pain, and more hands-on with procedural stuff. Very happy, mellow residents; definitely a west coast feel. Friendly PD. Interestingly, only program I came across where you're actually an employee of the VA (US Govt). 3 months TBI @ Rancho Los Amigos. UCLA sports/spine w/ Dr. Fish (Pocketpedia). Subsidized housing. Con: LA traffic is for real. Would have ranked this higher, but wife preferred it lower d/t location (otherwise, I would consider it in the "best fit" category).

Indiana: Nice small program. Clean, big rehab facility with huge therapy gym, but ~25 mins from core IUPUI hospital campus. Very happy, easy-going residents, who have awesome relationships with excellent support staff. Very low-key dress code, i.e., wear clothes (bonus!). Supposedly a ton of hands-on procedural experience. 3 months electives. Nice call suite! Free meals/parking. Got a bump for being close to the in-laws. Bonus: super low COL. Con: Indy isn't the most exciting city in the world. Only 3 weeks vacation in PGY-2 (why?).

Boston Univ: Great medical center campus in a very cool city. Awesome PD. Happy, friendly residents. Definite "New England" vibe. Small unit. Off-sites a little spread out w/ tough Boston traffic. Interesting acute stroke exp. Model SCI. 2 months TBI @ Spaulding. 3 months elective. 3 months sports. Residents' union w/ several excellent fringe benefits. Probably the most reasonable program in this "better fit" category with respect to overall balance of my considerations, which include program strength, proximity to family, professional opportunities for wife, etc. Could see living in this region long-term.

Best Fit - Will be totally psyched to train at any one of these, which were in a virtual tie and jockeyed for position until the ROL deadline.

RIC: Larger program. Undoubtedly great training (by reputation). The best facilities I've seen, without a doubt. Very nice, helpful people. Happy, humble, intelligent residents. Friendly faculty. Great PD and renowned Dept Chair. Con: Chicago is a cool city, but the winter here seems brutal. Also, several people emphasized the lack of procedural training. Maybe that's more spine-related and maybe you can pick that up on 4+ months of electives? I wasn't sure but considered it a minus.

Colorado: Super impressed by this small program. This place really clicked for me. Great spine/sports/msk, awesome peds, SCI at Craig Hosp. Great curricular structure (for my learning style). Awesome QOL (not for everyone, but would be for me). Very affordable city. Could see living here long-term. Very happy residents and attendings. The multi-site issue I've seen brought up on SDN doesn't bother me. My current commute is > 1 hour (one-way), so driving 25 mins to the various sites seems like a breeze. Maybe a lot of time at the VA?

NY Presbyterian: Rotated here and was very impressed with this medium-sized program. Great combined resources of two heavy hitters Columbia and Cornell. Unique cancer rehab at Sloan Kettering. HSS. Several outstanding faculty. Happy attendings and residents. Excellent support for any research interest. Close to family, close to wife's job opportunities, & wife likes NYC. Only con: The COL is outrageous. Almost ranked it lower for this reason but family concerns and overall program strength trumped this issue.

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Update: Matched at Boston Univ and PSYCHED! A little sad about missing out on some of these other prog's? Sure. But still super excited to match at BU and psyched I will be entering the field soon!
 
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Top 3

1. Mt Sinai
-awesome PD
-great outpatient, MSK (in addition to TBI and SCI)
-outstanding hands on/practical experience
-happy residents who get the fellowships they want

2. NYU
-great reputation
-excellent overall education
-new chair is making many improvements

3. UPMC
-amazing resources and facilities
-great education
-awesome residents
 
Long time lurker, first time posting to this board. I found these threads to be invaluable to my understanding of the field, research about programs and overall feedback to interviews/forming my ROL, so I wanted to give back a bit. With that, I am offering up the programs that ended up being in my top 6-- in alphabetical and not ranking order. Why? What's important to me may not be quite as important to you. Please feel free to contact me by PM if you have any further questions, I'd be happy to help!



Emory: Incredible interview day and the lunch was so good! Everybody was friendly, laidback and knew the applicants well. Conversations were easy and reflective of the diversity of opportunities at Emory. It seems like a lot of grads go into outpatient/pain but at the same time, one of the current chiefs is going on to a SCI fellowship at Kessler. Emory prepares its graduates to meet their goals. The PD is new to Emory in the last couple of years but enthusiastic and invested in the future of the program, starting a peds fellowship this year to add to their current fellowship opportunities. CRM offers feelings of a stand-alone rehab center but still allows for the code team to come from across the street when the need arises. The Shepherd Center is fantastic: it’s really a beautiful facility where awesome patients are taken care of by great staff, therapists, residents and attendings alike; with Shepherd comes some great SCI exposure. Lots of procedural opportunities too. Didactics are twice a week, on an 18-month cycle. This program definitely seems to be moving up. Atlanta traffic is TOUGH. This is one of the programs where I wish there was more info on the SDN boards. (6 advanced positions total)

Ohio State: Great reputation, great history, great EMGs, amazing research going on at this institution, in neuroprosthetics and movement especially! Faculty are dedicated and it is apparent that tOSU grads love their training and the program. Well-rounded and great exposure in both the inpatient and outpatient settings. Variety of clinical opportunities at various sites, including 4 months with peds. Residents enter into a variety of settings upon graduating, which I took to be a testament to their well-rounded exposure during training. Laidback interview day. People seemed really happy. There are ample moonlighting opportunities and great benefits offered by tOSU. Great COL too. (2 categorical positions, 4 advanced: 6 total)

RIC: So much of an incredible reputation surrounds this program on this board that I wasn’t sure if the program could truly stand up to the hype. The residents here were diverse, cohesive and happy, even when working hard. They are proud of their program and the opportunities within it. RIC itself is multiple floors of pure rehab, including peds, O&P, research and your general bread and butter adult neurorehab. The hospital itself also sits right on Lake Michigan, giving the residents a great view as they sit behind their work computers. RIC is a large hospital with a large patient volume and ample learning. When a patient has to get transferred out, they go back across the street to the acute care hospital. While some have commented on access to procedures, I’ve heard that this isn’t as big of an issue and residents are performing what they want and need to. Research opportunities are abundant. Northwestern medical students are required to complete a rotation at RIC. Faculty mentors are available to guide you along the way, both for research projects but also overall career goals. Didactics are daily, at noon. 4 months elective time. Residents were proud and happy to work there. The only weakness I could get out of anybody was a lack of inpatient VA opportunities. Chicago is a fantastic city with a reasonable COL. But it is a cold, cold place to be for a lot of the year. (4 categorical positions, 8 advanced: 12 positions total)

Temple: So much has been said about Temple and I really think the interview day/program stands up to the discussion. The residents here were fun, laidback and a well-rounded group of people. It was obvious what great relationships they have with each other and with their faculty, while still learning a lot and getting the job done. This was one of the most diverse and vibrant group of residents I met along the way and I felt welcome all day long—in fact, this was true even before the interview day, as I got a welcome call a few days before interviewing. Moss is another stand-alone rehab hospital with its own ICU, so the support is there if you need it. TBI exposure is great, thanks to this facility. And you still get the medically complicated/trauma cases at Temple Hospital too. The program admitted a weakness in SCI. They have a new sports med doc. They also really played up the idea of progressively less call as you made your way through training; they have their scheduling down pat. Didactics here are once weekly. With the number of training sites, there seemed to be a LOT of driving here and a car would definitely be necessary, sometimes in places where Philly traffic isn’t ideal. (9 advanced positions total)

University of Washington: The opportunities abound in Seattle! This program has a great reputation and with good merit. The rehab medicine department was one of the first at the UW, leading to a long-standing investment and understanding of the department within and by the rest of the medical center. The PD has been a part of the program for at least 15 years (probably closer to 20) and is still constantly working to make sure the program keeps up with the dynamics going on in other programs and across the field. There is a great balance of inpatient work to outpatient rotations. The exposure for residents is broad and deep, including academic facilities, inpatient and outpatient VA work and time at Seattle Children’s as well, in addition to other facilities throughout the city. There is a new peds fellowship set to begin soon. Residents will also start to rotate at Swedish to gain exposure to general rehab in a community setting too. MSK/Sports opportunities continue to increase and gain support. Didactics are twice a week and year specific but program-wide as well. There are intermittent noon conferences/meetings at each site that offer more learning too. The faculty are invested in resident education on every level and each resident has a faculty mentor. Required research is a part of the curriculum, with countless opportunities and topics to explore. UW medical students are required to complete a chronic care clerkship, with some rotating through the Rehab medicine department, so the opportunity to gain experience in clinical instruction starts early. The education is top-notch and the clinicians leaving this program are prepared to practice PM&R in any variety of settings. The residents are bright yet humble, fun, cohesive, happy and incredibly active. Seattle is beautiful and great! But it is far away and COL is a little steeper than some other places. (3 categorical positions, 6 advanced: 9 positions total)

VCU: Another program that I wish had more info on these boards. The education here is fantastic. The PD has been at VCU for almost 20 years (I think?) and his investment and pride in the program is obvious. The program is incredibly well rounded and provides great inpatient exposure while still giving you opportunity for tons of procedures, outpatient clinics and a wealth of research opportunities. VCU has every fellowship opportunity it seems like you would want, including polytrauma. The VA in Richmond is one of 5 places to take active duty soldiers, which leads to some awesome and interesting rehab education and what I could only assume to be some fascinating patients. There are a variety of training sites to expose you to the academic, private practice and community aspects to PM&R. VCU’s ER is a level I trauma center to a large region (not sure the exact specs on where), so the patients come through there as well. Didactics here are once a week. The department chair is director (chair? Medical director?) of rehab services for the VA nationally; he sat with applicants for an hour during the day just to welcome us and remembered things we said after the fact. Faculty are invested in resident education and residents do get a mentor to work with throughout their training. COL is very good and there is close proximity to a lot to do, including in Richmond itself. This program is reliable, a great education and people are happy. (6 advanced positions total)



Disclaimer: I know that I can’t be 100% accurate for everything, months after the fact. Plus, all of this was my perspective. But I did my best with the notes I have. Like I said, if any future applicants have questions, feel free to shoot me a PM. I’m humbled that I had such a good interviewing experience and excited to be joining this field. I love it! Good luck everybody! :luck:
 
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