2011-2012 Interview Gossip/Chit-Chat

Discussion in 'Radiation Oncology' started by JackieG, Sep 22, 2011.

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  1. yeasterbunny

    yeasterbunny crazy in the coconut 7+ Year Member

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    Just to echo a thought that's been alluded to-- at this stage of the game it's normal to be freaking out but to go back to ERAS and shell out more $$ for programs you weren't previously interested in is a waste of money. I did this too, sent 10 or 15 somewhat late applications and 1) none of them invited me to interview, and 2) I ended up being just fine in my number of interviews at the end and matched high on my list. So relax (easier said than done, I know).
     
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  3. CyberKnife19

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    I thought I would drop a quick line to help assuage some fears/anxiety that many of you may (or may not) be experiencing...

    Like yeasterbunny, by approximately this point (mid-late October), I probably only had 2-3 interviews and was somewhat concerned. Nonetheless, there was a rather large deluge of interviews sent out in early November and I ended up with 11 interviews and subsequently matched to my top ranked program...so please take a deep breath and try to relax.

    Furthermore, I believe that many programs (mine included) do not even look at applications until the Dean's Letter (MSPE) comes out on November 1st. So, try to enjoy what will be the most relaxing year of your nine years from MS-1 to PGY-5. :)
     
  4. VisualBasic

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    And what about those of us who don't even have 2-3 interviews yet? Should we start to get worried yet?
     
  5. Seldon1985

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    I still would just sit tight and try to relax a bit. I met people with all sorts of different experiences - some with few interviews, some with many. It's still pretty early, and I didn't get the majority of my interviews until well into November, some in December, and even one in January (there was a Univ of Florida interview floating around). As Cyberknife mentioned, enjoy this year! Because you only have intern year to look forward to next year!
     
  6. inyoface

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    Question- do programs ever not invite you because they think you're unlikely to attend because you're too strong of an applicant?

    I've gotten rejections from some of the programs that have sent out invites and this is what my advisor is telling me... I don't believe it though especially since this kind of thing sounds like your mother telling you that "they're just jealous...". It also seems like every single applicant in this specialty is strong. In any case I'm currently in freak-out mode so any thoughts would be great
     
  7. DrVanNostran

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    I think a lot of people right now have 2 rejections (Case and Georgetown) and maybe 1-3 interviews. Don't start freak out mode until Nov. 8 :D

    Damn it, just saw the Cinci invite on the invite thread.
     
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  8. JackieG

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    I got none!!:thumbup:
     
  9. DrVanNostran

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    One week till MSPE:eek:
     
  10. ABG123

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    I don't understand why the MSPE is so important. At least for me it doesn't add much if anything.
     
  11. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    I guess each school's MSPE is different, but mine had a lot of good information including:

    1. Specific comments by faculty/residents regarding my performance on various clinical rotations (both core and elective)
    2. My Dean's commentary on the relative strengths & weakness of my application on the whole
    3. Percentile rankings to show where I fell among my peers in basic science coursework and the clinical years

    Also, I had a great relationship with my Dean and was able to convince him to "omit" the one or two egregiously negative comments from my clinical evals.
     
  12. Seldon1985

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    Although this may not be as pertinent to this year, did you guys notice all the new ACGME accredited rad onc programs that are in the pipeline? Check out the ACGME Public website (just google it) and you can browse the accredited programs by state - some were accredited pretty darn recently.
     
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  14. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    9 out of 10 chance the above user is a nervous applicant trying to thin out the competition

    Even if the reimbursement goes off the deep-end the fundamental structure of Rad Onc practice (e.g. good hours & lifestyle) won't change. And malignant programs? Please. This is Rad Onc not surgery.
     
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  15. Sheldor

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    Wow, this is really random. Why did you choose to come share?
     
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  17. yeasterbunny

    yeasterbunny crazy in the coconut 7+ Year Member

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    :troll:
     
  18. JumpingFrenchmn

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    No he's right. Look I may just be a med student, but I heard from some residents that some programs will sterilize you with their linacs so you don't have babies during residency. ;)
     
  19. DukeNukem

    DukeNukem Shake it, baby! 5+ Year Member

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  20. Sheldor

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    I didn't really take issue with that part of the post, as it seems to state the obvious. It I my understanding that every field has training programs that are "malignant." However, telling people that Radiation Oncology is a bad field and that the future is bleak seems dramatic at best and trollish at worst.
     
  21. MD2001

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    I'll put money on it that Upenn is one of those.. NYU may be the other one?
     
  22. DocSqd

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    The doom and gloom comments above aside, I am really hoping to enter into this field. I am trying not to be discouraged but I am starting to worry about my application. A decent number of programs I've applied to have at least started offering interviews and I am still waiting for my first. I have good grades, top quartile Step 1 score, a PhD in cancer research, away elective honors at a top 10 program and one big name letter. My prelim interviews aren't really coming in either and so I'm beginning to worry there is some deficiency in my application I have over looked. I realize the vast majority of interviews are still coming, but the window to do anything is rapidly closing. Either I need to be talked down off the ledge or there is some concrete actions I can take. Advice on one or both would be appreciated.
     
  23. _T_

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    Hey Docsqd, I feel your pain.. I'm in the same boat.. good Step 1 score, first author pub, big name letter..

    What makes this all so much more frustrating is that a friend of mine in a similar school (both of ours are non-top 50).. has gotten 4 interviews. He has a lower step 1 score (although only 4 pts less), no pubs (one abstract presentation), and no big name letters (did one away at a small program). The one thing he has better then me is that he has better grades through med school.. neither of us are AOA but he has a couple more honors then I do. I'm honestly baffled at how he has 4 interviews and I have 0 when I seem to have the formula down... Good Step 1 + Research + LOR + Good Grades.

    :confused:
     
  24. ABG123

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    It could also be that your applications are in the category competitive for higher tier schools that wait until after Nov 1st to offer interviews. The ones that have offered interviews so far are mid-lower tier and may not necessarily consider applicants that they think are beyond their reach.
     
  25. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner! :)
     
  26. memberBlue

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    In my four years of rad onc residency I've approached 80 hours once, I was on call and got slammed. When I was an intern I hit 80 hours every week. I highly doubt there is any rad onc program that routinely works 80 hours.

    60 hours sounds like a resonable (slightly high) estimate. Most other specialties would kill for a 60 hour work week and free weekends.

    No one will force you to go into academics. In fact academic jobs are highly competitive. Even the best of the best programs have several residents go into private practice.
     
  27. DocSqd

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    I know I deserve the worlds tiniest violin, but being from a lesser known school and having family influenced geographic restrictions has me worried I have made a strategic error. I hope everyone who is sweating it out finds a good distraction and ends up somewhere they can be happy. Goodluck folks, thanks for listening.
     
  28. rad0nc

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    I am a mid-bottom tier candidate and I have 3 so far. That is because the schools that have given interviews are mid-bottom tier. You sound like an excellent candidate due to the PhD and cancer pubs plus high step 1. You will get interviews when the big boys send invites.
     
  29. Seldon1985

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    Just like in any field, you'll have your malignant and benign programs - talk to the residents and get a feel for the program's personality. I think we know which program 'Nukem is talking about (seriously, talk to the residents at these programs). After interviews were over a fellow applicant and I sat down and we talked about which places we felt were the best fit for us - and we both ended up at those programs!

    As for getting interviews - if you were a super strong candidate from a lower tier school I think you have some of the best chances of getting interviews across the different tiers. If you're a strong candidate from a top tier school, you may be seen as "not as high yield" an applicant for an interview at some of the lower tiers. This was the prevailing attitude in my interview friends circle last year. In any event, just wait. November is coming up and many more programs, especially upper tiers will begin to give out interviews - and then see.
     
  30. DukeNukem

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    There is one NYC program that practically brags about often working close to 80 hours a week.

    There's certainly a component of personal choice. Not everyone is looking for an academic position. Further, some thinking about academics will not be willing to accept one of the academic positions available in a given year.
     
  31. DrVanNostran

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    Damn it, Henry Ford rejection. I was hoping for that one.
     
  32. MD2001

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    Same they fooled me into thinking I got an invite.. I should've known better. I can only laugh haha
     
  33. Carotenoid

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    ditched me too! You know, I have gotten rad onc 4 invites so far - but all from the very bottom of my list, from programs to which I applied out of some sort of superstition, but where I probably don't want to go... In retrospect, I should not have applied there! I think I'd rather not match than match at a place where I won't do any research, won't get to go to conferences and probably won't see interesting cases...
     
  34. radiaterMike

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    I would suggest cancelling those interviews so that others who want to interview at those places have an opportunity to do so.

     
  35. DrAwsome

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    So given that I submitted my app kinda late, I am not freaking out just yet about the lack in interviews, but I am freaking out about my application not even being downloaded yet! Is this normal?

    I verified that all the programs I have applied to are still taking apps/reviewing, even spoke with some PD's. Why are they not downloading my app?
     
  36. MD2001

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    Hmm I didn't even know that you could check if they are downloading your application. I would think you're ok since it seems like a lot of places still haven't sent invites. Not sure if ppl send out invites on a rolling basis? Maybe one of our esteemed residents can chime in.
     
  37. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    Programs can auto-download applications on ERAS at a pre-specified interval (e.g. biweekly, weekly, monthly, whatever). I'd say its a rarity that a person is on the other end looking at applications daily.
     
  38. DrVanNostran

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    I'm getting super nervous. I talked to a few guys at a TY interview today, they both had so many interviews. I have 2 lined up, but from what I hear both programs have >2 in house applicants applying. Every where I go, I hear, "there are a lot more people applying from school than usual."

    I'm wondering how the in-house applicants will effect the rank lists.
     
  39. MD2001

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    At least you have 2 lined up! I find myself checking my e-mail every 15 minutes praying for an interview so that all this hard work hasn't been a complete waste. I feel like this year is gonna be brutal.

    Last year only 13 programs had sent out interviews to this date this year 20 already have.
     
  40. suttons law

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    I am couples matching with my spouse and am wondering when/if it is appropriate to ask a program which I have an interview at to suggest to the other specialty to possibly interview my spouse? It seems like the best time would be as soon as you received an interview. I do not want to sound pushy, but if feel like they will not be aware if I do not tell them, despite it being in our application. Is there any cross-talk between specialties? Thanks
     
  41. DrVanNostran

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    I know its crazy that we are already +7. I have a feeling the week of Nov 1st is gonna be nuts.

    Hopefully we both find ourselves in a good position this fall :luck:
     
  42. DrAwsome

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    Not that I am terribly knowledgeable about exact figures, but I actually think there are less applicants this year than previous years. I have spoken with PDs and they talked of about 150ish applications, vs around 190ish last year. There are also a number of new programs as well, so who knows.
     
  43. Carotenoid

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    I highly doubt that the program at which you are interviewing will talk to another specialty on behalf of your spouse! please correct me if I am wrong.
    I have heard, however, that it is quite acceptable for your spouse to call his/her chosen department at the school/hospital in question, and ask to kindly give a second look at his application given that you have received an invitation.
     
  44. Gfunk6

    Gfunk6 And to think . . . I hesitated Lifetime Donor SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    I personally know a resident who was not particularly competitive for Rad Onc but had a spouse who was extremely competitive (and sought after) applying to another specialty. They couples matched and the resident I know matched mainly because the spouse's department called Rad Onc and pressured them into ranking him highly.

    This is probably exceptional, but it does happen.

    Otherwise, I agree with your advice that the spouse should initiate contact with Rad Onc if need be.
     
  45. DrAwsome

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    I would imagine that if a program really wanted a certain resident and that resident came with some sort of baggage, they'd take the "baggage" to get the resident. Similar thing happened to me/my husband, too bad it was in the wrong specialty/field!

    Btw-anyone think people are still applying or have most people who are going to apply done so already?
     
  46. snoggy6

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    Can anyone tell me what time the interview day ends at Henry Ford? I need to buy a plane ticket but haven't been able to find out how late I need to stay. I plan to do the combined interview day with the transitional year program.
     
  47. DocSqd

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    Echoing what others have said, just because you don't get an invite when it is first announced on this thread doesn' t mean you are not going to receive one. My first invite came yesterday after it was first posted on the board at the beginning of the week. Each program seems to have its own schedule and way of doing things. Good luck and hang in there.
     
  48. CyberKnife19

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    Great point. A lot of programs (mine included) send out interviews in waves (e.g. go through x # of applications, send out y # interview invitations, etc.), so don't be discouraged if you don't get an invitation to interview at a particular program after the date has been posted on this site. It is possible that they just haven't looked at your application or sent out all of the invites yet. :thumbup:
     
  49. DrAwsome

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    So I got a rejection from a program that had an open spot that I applied to since I've already done my internship. :( I know that in a field like this one rejections are common but I'm concerned that since I'm not a typical applicant, I won't match. I did not initially plan to do rac onc, and sort of stumbled into this specialty due to serious personal circumstances, and rotated in it and loved it. Obviously I don't have research or big wig letters in this specialty. Am I dead in the water? Is there anything that I can do to improve my chances? Is there any real possibility that I could match simply given an interest and real desire to enter the field?
     
  50. RadiatedPotato

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    Just curious, but do people send dept of medicine letters to rad onc programs? I did and I think the dept chair addressed the letter as if I were applying into an IM prelim years (too bad we don't get to glance over letters before hand). Does anyone feel like this could be a problem. May just be me being neurotic...
     
  51. DocSqd

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    Nothing left to do now but wait.......
     

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