2016-2017 Schools requiring CASPer?

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I did a search and could not find what I was looking for.

Does anyone know which US schools are going to require the CASPer test for the 2016-2017 cycle?

for this cycle it was just NYMC and Rutgers. My friend is applying so I'm hoping more schools haven't jumped on the bandwagon and are requiring this test!
 
Wait, are they requiring this in place of the MCAT or in addition to the MCAT?
 
Yes, this is in addition to the MCAT.

Is anyone taking CASPer in May?
 
God what a debacle that was, I can't believe that other schools would subscribe to this service. I can't imagine NYMC gave them a glowing recommendation...


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Certainly a standardized, central system would function better in providing an objective measurement. I think a lot of the redundancy and formulated responses that come with the secondary application process could be trimmed off. However, if the question is "should schools jump on the turd train to CASPerville" then I would hope they consider waiting for something more well-vetted and competently administered.


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There will probably be prep courses/material offered for SJTs like CASPer in the future... It wouldn't surprise me.

EDIT: Nevermind, it already exists!
 
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God what a debacle that was, I can't believe that other schools would subscribe to this service. I can't imagine NYMC gave them a glowing recommendation...


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I wonder if they'll be using it again for this application cycle
 
Central Michigan University will be using it this cycle.
 
If multiple schools you apply to require this test, do you have to take it once or multiple times for each school?
 
If multiple schools you apply to require this test, do you have to take it once or multiple times for each school?
Pretty sure it's once and you simply have the score sent to any school that requests it!
 
How much time would you spend preparing for this? Say you find out a school you apply to requires it, and the next 2 scheduled dates are 1 week away and 1 month away.. Which one would you sign up for?
 
You don't really need to study for CASPer. The point is to gain insight into your ethical decision making process and personality. You don't need to have any specific knowledge about medical ethics or anything like that. I can't recall every single scenario from when I took it last year, but I think few if any were medically related. The only skill you'll need is an ability to type fast since you have a short amount of time to explain your thought process.
 
Tulane encourages, but does not require Casper.

CASper is a tremendous waste of time and money (you need to pay $10 and then $10/school you send it to). It is just another way that administrative bodies are taking advantage of students for $ (and is a way for some admins to justify keeping their job).

The questions on CASper will not even challenge you ethically unless you are a sociopath with no common sense and is pointless when we already have MMIs.

Students who can barely afford or can't afford to apply will just be screwed over more all for the sake of lining someone else's pocket, which is quite disappointing.

I hope for the sake of future applicants that this senseless test doesn't continue to spread and I 100% assure you that no test prep (especially ones that charge money) would even be helpful for this test. I say this as someone who took CASper, completed the in person MMI at the school requiring the CASper, and who was then accepted into said school/end rant
 
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I did a search and could not find what I was looking for.

Does anyone know which US schools are going to require the CASPer test for the 2016-2017 cycle?

for this cycle it was just NYMC and Rutgers. My friend is applying so I'm hoping more schools haven't jumped on the bandwagon and are requiring this test!
I don't understand why Rutgers would require this test. It's redundant with the MMI interview they already use
 
I really hope the trend of requiring this useless test quickly comes to a stop. It is useless, as anyone who isn't devoid of morals/ethics can pass it. It is especially useless for schools that use the MMI interview format (redundant). Its another cost for the applicants, many of which will already be hurt by the financial cost of the rest of the application process. Finally, its just another BS requirement for pre-medical students to worry about. The time spent "studying" for this or worrying about this would be infinitely better spent by expanding one's horizons, engaging in community service, or just taking time to to reflect and relax.
 
I really hope the trend of requiring this useless test quickly comes to a stop. It is useless, as anyone who isn't devoid of morals/ethics can pass it. It is especially useless for schools that use the MMI interview format (redundant). Its another cost for the applicants, many of which will already be hurt by the financial cost of the rest of the application process. Finally, its just another BS requirement for pre-medical students to worry about. The time spent "studying" for this or worrying about this would be infinitely better spent by expanding one's horizons, engaging in community service, or just taking time to to reflect and relax.
So you would say it's not worth studying more than a couple hours for because simple common sense would help you pass?
 
So you would say it's not worth studying more than a couple hours for because simple common sense would help you pass?
Correct. Study like you are preparing for a MMI interview. All you need to do is acknowledge both sides of the ethical issue and then justify your answer (eg. It is understandable that Suzie would be hestitant to report her friend for cheating, since it could destroy their relationship. However, cheating is concerning because blahblahblah)


And, yes, it is redundant for schools who use MMIs. MMIs are also much more revealing because you can read applicants' body language and push them to clarify their answer.
 
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If multiple schools you apply to require this test, do you have to take it once or multiple times for each school?

I did it last year. You take the test once and it's good for all US medical schools you apply to. However, if you're also applying to Canadian medical schools, then you will have to do another CASPer test as I think the test content is unique between the two countries.
 
Tulane encourages, but does not require Casper.

CASper is a tremendous waste of time and money (you need to pay $10 and then $10/school you send it to). It is just another way that administrative bodies are taking advantage of students for $ (and is a way for some admins to justify keeping their job).

The questions on CASper will not even challenge you ethically unless you are a sociopath with no common sense and is pointless when we already have MMIs.

Students who can barely afford or can't afford to apply will just be screwed over more all for the sake of lining someone else's pocket, which is quite disappointing.

I hope for the sake of future applicants that this senseless test doesn't continue to spread and I 100% assure you that no test prep (especially ones that charge money) would even be helpful for this test. I say this as someone who took CASper, completed the in person MMI at the school requiring the CASper, and who was then accepted into said school/end rant

I have a different perspective about the value of test prep for CASPer. First off, what is your basis for saying that you are 100% sure that no test prep would be even helpful for this test? If you're going off of what the takecasper.com people are saying, notice they don't even provide any references. They want you to simply go into the test unprepared and type the first thing that comes into your mind because it increases the validity of their sample size at YOUR expense. Keep in mind they say this is not a pass/fail test but rather one that "ranks" you but in my opinion, the effect is the same thing. If you rank poorly, then that's the same net effect as failing the test. In Canada where the test originated (like the MMI), it is worth as much as 32% of the pre-interview score and applicants there bust their butt off studying. The literature supports that behavioral based SJTs like CASPer do benefit from test preparation and coaching.

Congrats on getting in, but that could be due to fact that CASPer is probably not being weighed as much right now as it's still in the trial stages in the US.

However, I agree that it's sad that schools are starting to use this dumb test. It's BS and just another hurdle for pre-med applicants to jump through.

My two cents for applicants is to do at least one practice full length CASPer test so that you can at least experience what the test will feel like. It's only like $50 bucks so will not likely break you, but will give you an idea of where you stand relative to other applicants that have done the same test. I used Advisor Prep's CASPer tests last year and I found them to be spot on to my actual test in terms of the testing interface and content.

Personally, I think it's crazy that people walk into any standardized test without any preparation or the false idea that they can't prepare for it. Good luck to everyone having to take this test.
 
So you would say it's not worth studying more than a couple hours for because simple common sense would help you pass?

radioactive15, it really depends on where you are starting, that's why in my other post I suggested doing a practice full length test to gauge your performance. I required weeks of preparation, not hours.

While you don't get your score, I was ultimately accepted at NYMC so my CASPer performance was at least acceptable to the school. Good luck.
 
Correct. Study like you are preparing for a MMI interview. All you need to do is acknowledge both sides of the ethical issue and then justify your answer (eg. It is understandable that Suzie would be hestitant to report her friend for cheating, since it could destroy their relationship. However, cheating is concerning because blahblahblah)


And, yes, it is redundant for schools who use MMIs. MMIs are also much more revealing because you can read applicants' body language and push them to clarify their answer.

Mansamusa, are you saying that you only need several hours to prep for the MMI? you must be a genius then because, I prepped for over 6 weeks for my MMI interviews. I don't know anyone who was able to walk into Stanford's MMI interview with only hours of prep and got in.
 
I have a different perspective about the value of test prep for CASPer. First off, what is your basis for saying that you are 100% sure that no test prep would be even helpful for this test? If you're going off of what the takecasper.com people are saying, notice they don't even provide any references. They want you to simply go into the test unprepared and type the first thing that comes into your mind because it increases the validity of their sample size at YOUR expense. Keep in mind they say this is not a pass/fail test but rather one that "ranks" you but in my opinion, the effect is the same thing. If you rank poorly, then that's the same net effect as failing the test. In Canada where the test originated (like the MMI), it is worth as much as 32% of the pre-interview score and applicants there bust their butt off studying. The literature supports that behavioral based SJTs like CASPer do benefit from test preparation and coaching.

Congrats on getting in, but that could be due to fact that CASPer is probably not being weighed as much right now as it's still in the trial stages in the US.

However, I agree that it's sad that schools are starting to use this dumb test. It's BS and just another hurdle for pre-med applicants to jump through.

My two cents for applicants is to do at least one practice full length CASPer test so that you can at least experience what the test will feel like. It's only like $50 bucks so will not likely break you, but will give you an idea of where you stand relative to other applicants that have done the same test. I used Advisor Prep's CASPer tests last year and I found them to be spot on to my actual test in terms of the testing interface and content.

Personally, I think it's crazy that people walk into any standardized test without any preparation or the false idea that they can't prepare for it. Good luck to everyone having to take this test.
I said that you can prepare for it by preparing for MMI questions. And there is a free practice test.

The kind of practice you need is just framing your answer in a way that acknowledges both sides, which is what you do for MMIs. $50 is a lot of money for someone struggling to come up with application money
 
Mansamusa, are you saying that you only need several hours to prep for the MMI? you must be a genius then because, I prepped for over 6 weeks for my MMI interviews. I don't know anyone who was able to walk into Stanford's MMI interview with only hours of prep and got in.
You don't need to be a genius to do well with MMIs...? And I'm sure you didn't actually poll students to figure out how long they prepared
 
ok thanks for clarifying that. Where were you able to find a full length free CASPer practice test? takecasper.com has one but it's only 3 sections and so does apetest.org but again only 3 sections.

I agree $50 might be a challenge for some but when you consider how much it costs applicants to apply these days, $50 is not that significant. I was able to buy my practice test last year when they had a sale for $25.
 
You don't need to be a genius to do well with MMIs...? And I'm sure you didn't actually poll students to figure out how long they prepared

you don't need to be a genius to do well (as in my case .. I'm no genius) ... but you DO need to be a genius to only spend hours preparing for the MMI and get in. That was my point and what I read from you comment before you clarified.
 
you don't need to be a genius to do well (as in my case .. I'm no genius) ... but you DO need to be a genius to only spend hours preparing for the MMI and get in. That was my point and what I read from you comment before you clarified.
Yeah, the MMIs aren't very hard. Practice a few scenarios and get the jist of what you have to do. I.e., describe all relevant sides/perspective and then defend your choice. Also, i doubt Stanford's MMI is any more difficult than any other schools MMI.
 
Yeah, the MMIs aren't very hard. Practice a few scenarios and get the jist of what you have to do. I.e., describe all relevant sides/perspective and then defend your choice. Also, i doubt Stanford's MMI is any more difficult than any other schools MMI.

Hindsight tends to be 20/20. Also, as there has been a slight shift in MMI content and emphasis, so simply stating and describing ALL relevant sides/perspective is NOT what applicants should be doing these days.

We work with the most MMI applicants of any admissions prep company in the US and Canada (many of whom have successfully been admitted to Stanford med) and Stanford's MMI interview is definitely one of the more challenging compared to other schools.
 
Hindsight tends to be 20/20. Also, as there has been a slight shift in MMI content and emphasis, so simply stating and describing ALL relevant sides/perspective is NOT what applicants should be doing these days.

We work with the most MMI applicants of any admissions prep company in the US and Canada (many of whom have successfully been admitted to Stanford med) and Stanford's MMI interview is definitely one of the more challenging compared to other schools.
Wth non-disclosure agreements, how do you come to the conclusion that Stanford's MMI is more challenging than the MMIs at other schools?

My 20/20 hindsight from being accepted to 3 MMI schools (only one of which used CASper) tells me that you just need to demonstrate that you can see issues from multiple perspectives and that you can back up the answer with sound reasoning. The non-ethical questions involved showing that you can stress/work-life balance, can work with other cultures, and demonstrate empathy
 
Wth non-disclosure agreements, how do you come to the conclusion that Stanford's MMI is more challenging than the MMIs at other schools?

My 20/20 hindsight from being accepted to 3 MMI schools (only one of which used CASper) tells me that you just need to demonstrate that you can see issues from multiple perspectives and that you can back up the answer with sound reasoning. The non-ethical questions involved showing that you can stress/work-life balance, can work with other cultures, and demonstrate empathy

Even with NDAs in place, it is still possible to assess for level of difficulty without violating them.

Congrats on your 3 acceptances! 🙂
 
anyone know how to designate casper to another school after we completed it already?
 
anyone know how many schools are going to require this new casper test for the 2017-2018 application cycle?
 
anyone know how many schools are going to require this new casper test for the 2017-2018 application cycle?

There isn't an exact number available yet but there are new additional schools that will require casper for the 2017-2018 application cycle.

As soon as we have more concrete information, we will announce in our SDN subforum.
 
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