2017-2018 CASPER Schools

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I just emailed Casper and they said you have to take it every year for the current app cycle.


Wow...so not even good for 2-3 years?
How much does it cost?
How long does it take to complete the test?
Sorry for the dumb questions; just learning about it.
Do you take the test at Prometric centers?
 
Wow...so not even good for 2-3 years?
How much does it cost?
How long does it take to complete the test?
Sorry for the dumb questions; just learning about it.
Do you take the test at Prometric centers?

No, they said you have to take it each cycle. Their website shows $10 for the test and $10 delivery fee to each school you want. 🙁
 
What's the assurance that people won't cheat? Why wouldn't some people have a few friends with them helping them come up with better answers?
there's no correct answers. no way to cheat. it's like MMI...there are multiple acceptable answers/no right or wrong answers. I don't know how to stress this enough, but DO NOT STRESS OUT ABOUT CASPER. it's a very small portion of your application to only like 1% of schools that make up your school list. please, don't stress.
 
Since the school I'm applying to is requiring CASPER for the upcoming cycle, and they are using it as a screen tool, on top of that it's their FIRST TIME EVER using CASPER, from your experience what would be a competitive score on the CASPER to avoid being screened? Since I will be one of the first applicants complete, do they compare the scores within THEIR OWN POOL of applicants to determine a cutoff or do they have a predetermined cutoff in place? Does CASPER have a percentile like the MCAT? Thanks!

-aim to rank within 1 standard deviation of the mean. However, every school in the US uses CASPer slightly different, so it's best to contact the particular school.

-yes, CASPer has a percentile like the MCAT.
 
What's the assurance that people won't cheat? Why wouldn't some people have a few friends with them helping them come up with better answers?

5 mins per section. Essentially eliminates the possibility that someone can feed you answers on the spot.
 
there's no correct answers. no way to cheat. it's like MMI...there are multiple acceptable answers/no right or wrong answers. I don't know how to stress this enough, but DO NOT STRESS OUT ABOUT CASPER. it's a very small portion of your application to only like 1% of schools that make up your school list. please, don't stress.

Saying that there are no wrong answers on an MMI or CASPer is false. By default, failing to address pertinent issues on CASPer just like on an MMInterview will result in a low(er) score.
 
Saying that there are no wrong answers on an MMI or CASPer is false. By default, failing to address pertinent issues on CASPer just like on an MMInterview will result in a low(er) score.
okie dokie...obviously one should answer the prompt (i.e. recognize the pertinent issues) and there are answers that are better than others. i'm just telling people to relax because one's natural reaction (if you're a an empathic human being) will provide an acceptable answer. I didn't prep for casper and I only did some minor research/practice for MMI and I ultimately did really well. And also, it's common sense not to supply extremely unethical/racist/sexist/insensitive answers. SO, me saying there are no wrong answers and to not stress to the people reading this thread is implicit on their knowledge to not answer casper/MMI questions with super unethical/harsh/discriminatory answers, and I think mot ppl reading this thread know that.
 
okie dokie...obviously one should answer the prompt (i.e. recognize the pertinent issues) and there are answers that are better than others. i'm just telling people to relax because one's natural reaction (if you're a an empathic human being) will provide an acceptable answer. I didn't prep for casper and I only did some minor research/practice for MMI and I ultimately did really well. And also, it's common sense not to supply extremely unethical/racist/sexist/insensitive answers. SO, me saying there are no wrong answers and to not stress to the people reading this thread is implicit on their knowledge to not answer casper/MMI questions with super unethical/harsh/discriminatory answers, and I think mot ppl reading this thread know that.
Would you say there's more ethical dilemma like abortion or patient's confidentiality, or common sense things such as how to avoid conflict, how you deal with stress, how you design a return policy for a store, etc?
 
-aim to rank within 1 standard deviation of the mean. However, every school in the US uses CASPer slightly different, so it's best to contact the particular school.

-yes, CASPer has a percentile like the MCAT.
For schools that JUST implemented CASPER this cycle, do you think their applicant pool overall would have a pretty low percentile rank? Since it's the first time the school is using it AND most people take it cold. Essentially, isn't everyone in the same boat with this new exam?
 
What's the assurance that people won't cheat? Why wouldn't some people have a few friends with them helping them come up with better answers?
You have to take a screenshot with a webcam to prove you're physically there. It could be ghostwritten by a friend but you're just cheating yourself because its the exact same skills as interviewing, so if you wouldn't be able to succeed in the first place you're just wasting your time and money interviewing.
Would you say there's more ethical dilemma like abortion or patient's confidentiality, or common sense things such as how to avoid conflict, how you deal with stress, how you design a return policy for a store, etc?
There are both ethical questions and interpersonal questions. I think abortion might be a little too inflammatory but everything else you mentioned is fair game.
For schools that JUST implemented CASPER this cycle, do you think their applicant pool overall would have a pretty low percentile rank? Since it's the first time the school is using it AND most people take it cold. Essentially, isn't everyone in the same boat with this new exam?
Consider the possibility that schools using it for the first time may just be using it as a pilot, and will be studying how casper scores correlate with applicants selected for interview and acceptance using previous standards, in which case your score will have no bearing for this cycle. Its not really a test you need to study for, and if people have done MMI prep then they have preped for casper so hard to say that everyone will do poorly. Also some may have taken it for other schools in previous cycles.
 
You have to take a screenshot with a webcam to prove you're physically there. It could be ghostwritten by a friend but you're just cheating yourself because its the exact same skills as interviewing, so if you wouldn't be able to succeed in the first place you're just wasting your time and money interviewing.

There are both ethical questions and interpersonal questions. I think abortion might be a little too inflammatory but everything else you mentioned is fair game.

Consider the possibility that schools using it for the first time may just be using it as a pilot, and will be studying how casper scores correlate with applicants selected for interview and acceptance using previous standards, in which case your score will have no bearing for this cycle. Its not really a test you need to study for, and if people have done MMI prep then they have preped for casper so hard to say that everyone will do poorly. Also some may have taken it for other schools in previous cycles.
Are most applicants re applicants? Have most re applicants interviewed at MMI schools at some point in their life time? I think we are talking about a fairly small percentage here.

That being said, I doubt your casper score would have no bearing on the outcome of your cycle. Especially if the school REQUIRES it and uses it as a selection/screening factor I can see how a poor CASPER can hurt your chances. Even if the school is using CASPER for the very first time.
 
or common sense things such as how to avoid conflict, how you deal with stress, how you design a return policy for a store, etc?
i'd say Casper is more the latter!
 
Are most applicants re applicants? Have most re applicants interviewed at MMI schools at some point in their life time? I think we are talking about a fairly small percentage here.

That being said, I doubt your casper score would have no bearing on the outcome of your cycle. Especially if the school REQUIRES it and uses it as a selection/screening factor I can see how a poor CASPER can hurt your chances. Even if the school is using CASPER for the very first time.

I specifically meant if they were using it in a pilot capacity. I was on the admissions committee at my school, and schools don't just add new requirements or tests without first determining how the test will affect their admissions practices. You're right, there's no way of knowing if they are going to be factoring it in, but as an example, when casper was first being developed in Canada, they made students take it for multiple years and studying how the scores compared with applicants before actually using it in admissions. The prudent thing for a school interested in using a new tool would to be to require students to take it but not use it in decisions, then analyze how the decisions would have been different had they used it, and determine if the tool is a good fit for their program's goals and applicant pool.
 
Can any Casper veterans/experts comment on whether you need examples to support the claims you make in your responses? For instance, when you say "good communication skills" you can use the example of being a good listener, clearly articulate your words, etc.
 
Tulane's website says that it's optional and that candidates can be offered interviews with or without scores. I don't see any updates on FAU's website, although, it looks like it hasn't been updated in years. Is Tulane's really a requirement? Anybody know if FAU is optional or mandatory?
 
Can any Casper veterans/experts comment on whether you need examples to support the claims you make in your responses? For instance, when you say "good communication skills" you can use the example of being a good listener, clearly articulate your words, etc.
You shouldn't make claims to support your answers on casper, and the questions are not really like that anyway. They may want you to give an example but they are looking for you to explain the process, not the specific circumstances. The markers do not have your file or any information other than your answer to that specific question, and have no way to verify any claims you make. Therefore you don't get any more points describing a time you had a conflict with a colleague when you were CEO of a non-profit providing life saving care to those in need vs when you had a conflict with a colleague when you were working on a group project in BIO 101, if your description and problem solving process was the same.
 
Tulane's website says that it's optional and that candidates can be offered interviews with or without scores. I don't see any updates on FAU's website, although, it looks like it hasn't been updated in years. Is Tulane's really a requirement? Anybody know if FAU is optional or mandatory?

I cannot find any information any where that shows FAU now has a Casper requirement. Any one have insight to this?
 
@NotASerialKiller Thank you for sharing your experience with the CASPer test. What evidence do you have to back up your claim that the test "is not difficult at all, let alone anything close to the MCAT?" Is this simply because you received interviews after completing CASPer? You may not be aware but many applicants received interviews because several US medical schools that used CASPer on a pilot basis in the previous cycle offered interview invites before CASPer scores were received due to a huge backlog in getting the scores out to programs. In Canada, where the test originated and has been used for almost 10 years, many, many, many applicants will gladly admit that the test is anything but easy. CASPer is weighed as MUCH as the MCAT. If it was not difficult at all as you claim, why would any school weigh it as much as a 6 hour test.

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Bahahaha you're telling me that a test I studied 500 hours for is weighted the same as a little rinky dink 1 1/2 hour write how you feel essay thing??? What a joke.
 
anyone feeling right now like they just bombed CASPer ??? 🙁
 
Update: Rosalind Franklin now requires CASPer --> "All applicants to the Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin University are required to complete a CASPer assessment to assist with our selection process. Successful completion of CASPer is mandatory."

Source: Application Requirements for Allopathic Medicine
 
Bahahaha you're telling me that a test I studied 500 hours for is weighted the same as a little rinky dink 1 1/2 hour write how you feel essay thing??? What a joke.

This is true at some LCME schools like McMaster and University of Ottawa. Won't be a joke in a few years time.
 
For schools that REQUIRE it and in its first year of adopting Casper, any idea on how it's going to be used if it's another screening tool?
 
Bahahaha you're telling me that a test I studied 500 hours for is weighted the same as a little rinky dink 1 1/2 hour write how you feel essay thing??? What a joke.

At least, this is not a joke for medical schools in Canada.
CASPer is similar to mini-interview. So, do you think interview weighs more or less than the MCAT?
Also, CASPer seems to reflect a person's personality. Med school might feel great to reject racists or jerks before the interviews, which takes their time and energy.
Med school had to reject tons of applicants from pools anyway.
Thus, it wouldn't surprise me that they really consider CASPer seriously, although this might be unlikely in these few years, I hope.
 
For schools that REQUIRE it and in its first year of adopting Casper, any idea on how it's going to be used if it's another screening tool?
Unless they voluntarily disclose that it won't impact your application, no school is going to specify how they integrate it, otherwise students won't take it seriously if its not counted which defeats the purpose of testing it in the first place.
 
So is taking the July 26th one too late or still fine? Or is it better to take the July 9th one but forcing it as I will have limited connection that day
 
So is taking the July 26th one too late or still fine? Or is it better to take the July 9th one but forcing it as I will have limited connection that day

Most of the schools using it have given out IIs even before people take it, and most of these schools also start to send out IIs mid August according to last year's threads. So I think July 26 is the last reasonably 'early' date to take it (if taking it early even matters - who knows)


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Sorry if this was asked already. How does one know if a school requires CASPER? Will it be mentioned in the secondary? Thanks.
 
Sorry if this was asked already. How does one know if a school requires CASPER? Will it be mentioned in the secondary? Thanks.

If you go to sign up for the CASPER on their website, you can see a list of schools that require it. Minus Tulane and WVU (I think), which are optional.
 
If you go to sign up for the CASPER on their website, you can see a list of schools that require it. Minus Tulane and WVU (I think), which are optional.
Well I did apply to Rosalind Franklin and NYMC, should I just go ahead and do it, and send it to the schools that I applied to on the list?

EDIT: I found my answer in another thread.
 
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I usually try to stay positive about these kind of things but Casper is such bull****. It's like saying, "Oh here's an extra crap online exam you have to take that takes 90 whole minutes and guess what? It's required and you have to pay for it! Sorry penny-pinching poor students who can't afford to spend another dime and didn't get a fee waiver because your parents are poor but not poor enough by amcas standards. oh well, not like it makes a difference since you've spent all that money paying for primary and secondary fees." As if everything else we've been threw wasn't enough. Sorry if this seems bitter - this test just seems like an unnecessary added component.
 
I usually try to stay positive about these kind of things but Casper is such bull****. It's like saying, "Oh here's an extra crap online exam you have to take that takes 90 whole minutes and guess what? It's required and you have to pay for it! Sorry penny-pinching poor students who can't afford to spend another dime and didn't get a fee waiver because your parents are poor but not poor enough by amcas standards. oh well, not like it makes a difference since you've spent all that money paying for primary and secondary fees." As if everything else we've been threw wasn't enough. Sorry if this seems bitter - this test just seems like an unnecessary added component.

To be fair, it might be saving you the cost of airfare in the long run if you get an interview you would just bomb anyway 🙂
 
To be fair, it might be saving you the cost of airfare in the long run if you get an interview you would just bomb anyway 🙂

I assume that the test is standardized, which means the score distribution would have a bell shaped curve. In your experience grading the exam, common/difficult is it to achieve an "average" score?

If the distribution is indeed bell shaped (meaning that 85% of people would be within 1 Standard deviation of the mean or above), would any score above the 15th percentile be considered good enough to clear some sort of "floor" to ensure that applicant is socially capable enough to deliver a good interview?
 
We mark individual answers on a likert-like scale, I don't know how those are combined into an overall score to send to schools. I would assume that the most useful metric would be a percentile or z-score, similar to an MCAT. How each school then uses that score in their admissions process is also individual and generally not published. Do they just use a cut-off threshold? Do they combine it with GPA and MCAT to rank applicants for interview? What percentile score do you need to get an interview? Only the admissions committees will know.
 
Hey guys! For those of you that prepared for casper, what tools did you use? (e.g. youtube MMIs)
 
I am applying to two schools that have the test as optional. If I don't take it will it hurt my chances?
 
Hey guys! For those of you that prepared for casper, what tools did you use? (e.g. youtube MMIs)

I took it 8/10 and I didn't prepare. I know you're asking for prep tools but I honestly don't think it's something you need to prepare for. The questions and scenarios are straight forward. You don't have too much time to really think either since it's only 5 minutes for 3 questions so you'll probably end up just going with whatever comes to mind first.


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Boooo, CASPER sucks, BOO!

But forreal, I think that as these schools add CASPER (especially the lower tier ones) less people are going to apply, and the schools will eventually get rid of it.
 
I took it 8/10 and I didn't prepare. I know you're asking for prep tools but I honestly don't think it's something you need to prepare for. The questions and scenarios are straight forward. You don't have too much time to really think either since it's only 5 minutes for 3 questions so you'll probably end up just going with whatever comes to mind first.


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I understand what you mean. It's not a test where you can always find the right answer. But from what I've learned it can still be prepared for to some extent. People could practice beforehand through simulating question scenarios & learning what makes the 'best answers'. Although it might not drastically change outcomes, to my knowledge casper compares the quality of student's answers to each other to some degree. That means even doing a little bit better can set you further apart from the mean. Know what I mean?
I'll prolly end up forgetting any prep I do take & just answer instinctually anyways haha.
 
I took the 8/10 test without any test prep companies. I did go through some ethical scenarios online and read up on biomedical ethics, but nothing too crazy.

The test wasn't too bad. If you can type fast and can defend your answer without getting too extreme, then you should be good to go. I'm a scribe so I was able to squeeze in 4-6 sentences for each question, but I did get cut off twice when I was revising in the middle of a sentence.
 
Could an adcom or someone knowledgeable about CASPer comment on the what the mean and standard deviation of scores are? I was told that the adcoms just receive a percentile score. Is that true?

I believe each of the 12 scenarios is scored out of 10. Do they remove the best and worst scores from the raw score?

Not worried about my results per se but just curious and definitely appreciate a little more transparency about this process given some schools I've talked to do use it as another data point in their otherwise holistic evaluation.

My major concern is that we at least have an idea of what our LOR writers will say. Casper seems like the one part of some schools' admissions to which we are not privy to know how we are being evaluated.

I concede that committees' extrapolation of our personality from 2-20 hours of interaction is the primary unknown but I don't anticipate many schools conveying how an applicant was reviewed holistically in committee any time soon. Casper transparency seems a little more likely in the future.
 
Video pops up: Cindy and Judy, two middle school teachers, are arguing because Billy chews gum in class and Judy is okay with it, but then Billy walks to Cindy's class the next period still chewing his gum, and Cindy hates it! Cindy and Judy also have a complicated history in which Cindy's husband Carl is Judy's brother, and is also Billy's father from his bitter first marriage with Tina, the superintendent. Carl suddenly joins the discussion, and is a strong advocate that chewing gum can help reduce the risk of adult onset Autism.

Quick you're the principal what are you gonna do to resolve the issue and satisfy all parties and preserve Cindy and Carl's marriage you have two minutes go

edit: Oh, and that'll be $30. Debit or credit?

What is hard about that?
The solution is simple, Billy has to spit the gum out before he goes to the next class, and can resume to chew gum afterwards.
Not chewing gum for an hour would not make much of a difference to whatever benefits gum chewing has to offer.

Do they actually over complicate these scenarios to get people confused?

There was a lot of junk that didn't even need to be there.

Edit: I also genuinely enjoy these wild scenarios where I am the protagonist.
I have a wild imagination so it is fun
 
What is hard about that?
The solution is simple, Billy has to spit the gum out before he goes to the next class, and can resume to chew gum afterwards.
Not chewing gum for an hour would not make much of a difference to whatever benefits gum chewing has to offer.

Do they actually over complicate these scenarios to get people confused?

There was a lot of junk that didn't even need to be there.

Edit: I also genuinely enjoy these wild scenarios where I am the protagonist.
I have a wild imagination so it is fun

You forgot about preserving the marriage.
Final score: [redacted, sorry we don't tell you how we score these or how you performed]
 
Could an adcom or someone knowledgeable about CASPer comment on the what the mean and standard deviation of scores are? I was told that the adcoms just receive a percentile score. Is that true?

I believe each of the 12 scenarios is scored out of 10. Do they remove the best and worst scores from the raw score?

Not worried about my results per se but just curious and definitely appreciate a little more transparency about this process given some schools I've talked to do use it as another data point in their otherwise holistic evaluation.

My major concern is that we at least have an idea of what our LOR writers will say. Casper seems like the one part of some schools' admissions to which we are not privy to know how we are being evaluated.

I concede that committees' extrapolation of our personality from 2-20 hours of interaction is the primary unknown but I don't anticipate many schools conveying how an applicant was reviewed holistically in committee any time soon. Casper transparency seems a little more likely in the future.

I'm not sure what you're asking about the mean and standard deviation. The actual means and SDs are not published, if that's what you mean. Only adcoms know what format the score they get is but percentile is the same effect as Z-score.

Each scenario is scored on a 9 point scale from bad to amazing. If they do any outlier modification it is not disclosed.

I'm not sure why the scores are not disclosed. I think they want it to be a snapshot of you, and don't want applicants to fixate on a score and keep retaking the test to try and improve like the MCAT is. Total guess on my part. MMI interviews are scored the same way and you don't get your interview scores, so think of it like that.

Think of Casper as an screening MMI interview. That's why it was developed, to try and improve the way that interviews, a limited resource, are distributed. If you have 4.0 and 99% mcat but can't interview to save your life, the idea is that you will do poorly on CASPer and that interview spot that you would have just bombed anyway and not been accepted could go to someone with perhaps lower GPA/MCAT but is an amazing interviewer and give them the opportunity to be accepted.

As much as you hate it, Adcoms seem to like it, considering how many more schools use it every year.
 
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