2018 Naplex Pass Rates

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I knew the overall national average had went up so I'm wondering why they waited till March.

I remember when <90% was considered bad and now its commonplace at some places. ACPE acts they they have no power to ANYTHING but this is something they can directly control or put school on improvement plans, i.e. probation

Schools that need to be addressed IMO
Appalachian
Chapman
Chicago
Florida A&M
Hampton
Manchester
Massachusetts
South College
Touro NY-already on probation
St. Joesph
West Coast
Xavier

ACPE needs to create a hard standard with a rubric that states if a school cannot meet an average of a certain % within a period of time then they are gone and I'm not talking about just new schools.

Anyway, any other schools you think belong or don't?
 
Momus said:
How do you fail NAPLEX LMAO...
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It’s been revamped to be harder, supposedly. Couple that with increased admissions and general decline of pharmacy students and it is not hard to see where these numbers come from.
 
For the past 3 years the national average is moving up so it's hard to blame the format of the test getting "harder" or more "case based". The trend in clearly at the individual school level.

BTW, if you are prospective student looking to go to pharmacy school and don't think it matters where you go, think again. Employers look at these lists and yes I'm sure someone is going to tell me about that one brilliant student from Chapman but I'm looking at the majority.
 
hwks09 said:
Badgers represent!

Any school under 90% should be abolished. I would never hire someone from one of those universities.
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Not Iowa or UIC, even the Badgers have had bad years in their past under 90%. And, you're in medicine anyway, why bother? I do agree on the general principle that a school should be revoked from accreditation for repeated nonperforming years.

owlegrad said:
It’s been revamped to be harder, supposedly. Couple that with increased admissions and general decline of pharmacy students and it is not hard to see where these numbers come from.
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Having taken both (though the recent revision with much lower stakes), I think the current exam is actually not harder and better focused on clinical affairs. Back when I took the exam the first time, there were a bunch of stupid trivia questions (methyldopa in pregnancy, datrolene use, etc.) that would always show up for some reason. There is far less basic science (I mean straight pharmaceutics, pharmacokinetics, and analytic chemistry) than the older era as well. I still think that a competent pharmacist in reasonable practice should be able to cold turkey pass the exam with a calculations review on the ones that they don't do.

The pass bar is still set ridiculously low, and I shudder to think about some of the students of my past that actually passed and entered practice. Some got fired, some got pregnant, and others got into management, so it goes...I really believe the pass bar should be set at 90/150 on the revised score. I had a much, much tougher standard to pass with the Canadian PEBC, and my score for that exam did reflect much better on how I felt about my competency in the profession (I raw scored with 68% correct which was in the 85% percentile for that administration and I did poorly in the analytical and medicinal chemistry sections that required synthesis knowledge).
 
Going off the report it looks like University Of Kansas stepped it up with that 99.28% pass rate...

They either raised the bar on admissions or rigors of test material. Being the only pharmacy school in Kansas I’m glad they holdn’ their own (still wonder what the job placement is like for the graduates).
 
I could of been a top tier student at Chicago. If only I had a time machine I would of went there. Half the people there can't even pass the naplex. LOL.
 
Chicago State University has a lot of problems. It has lost the most students of all the public schools in Illinois. Its enrollment is down 50%. It has one of the worst undergrad graduation rates in the country. There are people who want to close down the entire school. They have had incompetent administration. For political reasons, no one can really address the true problems there.
 
genesis09 said:
Chicago State University has a lot of problems. It has lost the most students of all the public schools in Illinois. Its enrollment is down 50%. It has one of the worst undergrad graduation rates in the country. There are people who want to close down the entire school. They have had incompetent administration. For political reasons, no one can really address the true problems there.
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Exactly.
 
How do these 0-6 programs still have graduating cohorts above 200 students?

How do UoP and USC still have more than 150 students graduating? Cost of attendance is insane
 
Sine Cura said:
How do these 0-6 programs still have graduating cohorts above 200 students?

How do UoP and USC still have more than 150 students graduating? Cost of attendance is insane
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Because Clinical Pharmacist jobs. Clinical Pharmacist jobs everywhere. Dontcha know?
 
VA77 said:
I knew the overall national average had went up so I'm wondering why they waited till March.

I remember when <90% was considered bad and now its commonplace at some places. ACPE acts they they have no power to ANYTHING but this is something they can directly control or put school on improvement plans, i.e. probation

Schools that need to be addressed IMO
Appalachian
Chapman
Chicago
Florida A&M
Hampton
Manchester
Massachusetts
South College
Touro NY-already on probation
St. Joesph
West Coast
Xavier

ACPE needs to create a hard standard with a rubric that states if a school cannot meet an average of a certain % within a period of time then they are gone and I'm not talking about just new schools.

Anyway, any other schools you think belong or don't?
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LIU
 
projektreverb said:
Because Clinical Pharmacist jobs. Clinical Pharmacist jobs everywhere. Dontcha know?
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Never got the appeal of being a clinical pharmacist. Just go grab an MD, even PA/NP degree instead.
 
WorthlessOxygen said:
I can see it since I know a lot of people who went into pharmacy because they like medical fields but don't want to touch people
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Yet, here pharmacists are giving immunizations, blood pressure checks, biometric screenings, etc. Soon they will be cupping balls for hernias and checking prostate size.
 
Momus said:
How do you fail NAPLEX LMAO...
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For those that work hard and actually study the material with appropriate resources, that question is rhetorical. Contrary to popular opinion, the MPJE is the hard part, not the NAPLEX.

USFCOP (FL) had a slight decrease in their NAPLEX pass rates: 83 first-time attempts out of 96 total attempts (83.13%). Since we had 86 people graduating, I find the data to be missing the finer details.

I would like a separate thread for the 2018 MPJE test results, please. The latter will have more impact than the former on who gets licensed and practices pharmacy.

Why are the national pass rates slightly higher for passing the NAPLEX (81.96% in 2017 to 83.09% in 2018)? There are less NAPLEX first-time attempts, but that does not necessarily mean the number of pharmacy school matriculants decreased. Again, some individuals do not go into pharmacy after pharmacy school. We will need to go to another resource for the number of pharmacy students in relation to those that "choose" pharmacy.
 
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hwks09 said:
Never got the appeal of being a clinical pharmacist. Just go grab an MD, even PA/NP degree instead.
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A lot of hospitals call their central staff clinical pharmacists too.
Secret_Informant said:
Contrary to popular opinion, the MPJE is the hard part, not the NAPLEX.
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And it only gets harder the more times you take it. It's bad enough that state and federal law don't always align, but now I have regulations from several other states floating around in my head. I just barely passed my last MPJE.
 
hwks09 said:
Never got the appeal of being a clinical pharmacist. Just go grab an MD, even PA/NP degree instead.
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Unless you don't like touching people and don't want to go through med school.

projektreverb said:
100% agree. To me, it’s most of the responsibility without any of the pay, freedom or respect.
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Pay, only if you go into a specialty vs primary care. But then you have a longer training path and more debt. Freedom? No. We bitch all the livelong day about metrics but prescribers have tons of metrics and restrictions. Outpatient, it's churning through patients and charting and RVUs, endless checklists, audits, patient satisfaction scores. In then hospital it's chart reviews for admission vs observation status, readmissions, formulary restrictions, medical device restrictions, diagnosis codes and getting people into a SNF. And satisfaction scores. Respect? Maybe by the public, but the other staff talks **** about you and you're churning out charts and RVUs. Plus you have all of the liability. Yes, we can get sued but you need only look at liability insurance rates to see where the real risk lies.
WorthlessOxygen said:
I can see it since I know a lot of people who went into pharmacy because they like medical fields but don't want to touch people
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I'd rather keep my no touch nasty bits, fly under the radar, problem solving without being the one to make the major calls, ADM/EMR hero, behind closed doors, sit while I work role.
 
spacecowgirl said:
I'd rather keep my no touch nasty bits, fly under the radar, problem solving without being the one to make the major calls, ADM/EMR hero, behind closed doors, sit while I work role.
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Can't say I disagree with you. One of the main things I leaned during my inpatient rotations was that I think I would hate being a doctor or mid-level.
 
One thing to keep in mind is NAPLEX is a minimum clinical competency exam.
All graduates from "accredited" pharmacy program should be able to pass.
Kudos to those schools with 100% and close to 100% pass rate- it shows that it's doable and worth keeping those programs.
(My alma mater wasn't one of them, obviously).
 
GrandTheftAutumn said:
One thing to keep in mind is NAPLEX is a minimum clinical competency exam.
All graduates from "accredited" pharmacy program should be able to pass.
Kudos to those schools with 100% and close to 100% pass rate- it shows that it's doable and worth keeping those programs.
(My alma mater wasn't one of them, obviously).
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It really is a minimum competency test. I was a middle of the road student and I pulled it off with less than a month of light skimming. It’s not that bad of a test.
 
Page not found? Did they take the page down?
 
gwarm01 said:
A lot of hospitals call their central staff clinical pharmacists too.


And it only gets harder the more times you take it. It's bad enough that state and federal law don't always align, but now I have regulations from several other states floating around in my head. I just barely passed my last MPJE.
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You got that right!
 
hwks09 said:
Yet, here pharmacists are giving immunizations, blood pressure checks, biometric screenings, etc. Soon they will be cupping balls for hernias and checking prostate size.
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I used to joke about the sh*tty grocery chain I worked for forcing us to give patient rectal exams. I wanted them to put a smiling picture of someone's ass on our pharmacy bags with the slogan- "RECTAL HEALTH"- It's NO Joke!" But then again, my idea for promoting our meat dept. was the slogan "You Can't Beat Our Meat!!!". For some reason I could never convince management to take my ideas seriously... 🙁
 
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