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Anyone know how you're supposed to compare applicants vs matched? Dividing the two gives a really low specialty match rate across the board which doesn't seem right.
“Well this year doesn't count because DO programs that became ACGME preferentially took DO’s but wont in the future”
I guess the ominous portents weren't trying to warn us about DO match but rather Coronavirus.
Anyone know how you're supposed to compare applicants vs matched? Dividing the two gives a really low specialty match rate across the board which doesn't seem right.
I believe this data includes duplicates. If someone applied to Categorical and Advanced Anesthesia, they are counted as an applicant for each but only a match for one.
This data also does not respect first choice specialty versus second versus third etc. So if someone applied GS (and Anesthesia, as second choice), and matched GS, they are counted as applicants for both, but a match for only one.
For example, apparant match rate for Anesthesia PGY1 and PGY2 (respectively)
In reality, we can assume the percentage of USMD and USDO who ranked anesthesia first and matched anesthesia is higher than as presented here. We'll have a clearer picture when Charting Outcomes 2020 is published.
- 68.2% (936/1372) and 25.5% (265/1038) for USMD
- 60.5% (262/433) and 22.0% (65/295) for USDO
Caveat: might not be understanding this correctly, feel free to correct
Would someone who applied but received no interviews/ranks show up?This is my thinking as well. It says on the document it included applicants who applied to multiple specialties. I personally know multiple people who did this, and they will show up as an applicant and non-match to their back up specialty.
Charting outcomes will give us a clearer picture.
However, I would say the numbers for the competitive specialties is probably accurate as we can assume those people all ranked all programs in those specialties higher than their back ups. For example, a 60% match rate to ortho is actually pretty solid, seeing as last year the match rate in the DO match was almost 45%.... Overall this should be considered a win for DO's. Although I still worry about the massive influx of candidates that will happen in the next 5 years.
Would someone who applied but received no interviews/ranks show up?
am I reading this right? seems like some of the match rates are super low?
I believe this data includes duplicates. If someone applied to Categorical and Advanced Anesthesia, they are counted as an applicant for each but only a match for one.
This data also does not respect first choice specialty versus second versus third etc. So if someone applied GS (and Anesthesia, as second choice), and matched GS, they are counted as applicants for both, but a match for only one.
For example, apparant match rate for Anesthesia PGY1 and PGY2 (respectively):
In reality, we can assume the percentage of USMD and USDO who ranked anesthesia first and matched anesthesia is higher than as presented here. We'll have a clearer picture when Charting Outcomes 2020 is published.
- 68.2% (936/1372) and 25.5% (265/1038) for USMD
- 60.5% (262/433) and 22.0% (65/295) for USDO
This is my thinking as well. It says on the document it included applicants who applied to multiple specialties. I personally know multiple people who did this, and they will show up as an applicant and non-match to their back up specialty.
Charting outcomes will give us a clearer picture.
However, I would say the numbers for the competitive specialties is probably accurate as we can assume those people all ranked all programs in those specialties higher than their back ups. For example, a 60% match rate to ortho is actually pretty solid, seeing as last year the match rate in the DO match was almost 45%.... Overall this should be considered a win for DO's. Although I still worry about the massive influx of candidates that will happen in the next 5 years.
You got it, boss.Is there gunna be a DO match thread this year?
No, around 15 did not match, majority of whom SOAPed. Good number of people opted out of the match video or were left out by accidentCan someone confirm that BCOM had like 30 or so people not match? Because according to their video on their FB and the amount they say they retain thats what it looks like
I mean yes it’s positive no doubt but the overall match rate was likely closer to 90 rather than 82.2 because of the aoa match, when both were combined the match rate was certainly higher than 82.2 for DO’s but nonetheless this is great news for DO’s!91% is an insanely high jump from 82 2 years ago and 85 last year. This is PreSOAP. Great news. This was the year of many new inaugural classes. The profession is going strong
If the post soap placement data is 95%+ I say it’s a win. Or at least minimal damage considering early predictions years ago that half of DO programs would close and match placement rate would drop below 80%. Just gotta wait and see what post soap data looks likeI mean yes it’s positive no doubt but the overall match rate was likely closer to 90 rather than 82.2 because of the aoa match, when both were combined the match rate was certainly higher than 82.2 for DO’s but nonetheless this is great news for DO’s!
I mean yes it’s positive no doubt but the overall match rate was likely closer to 90 rather than 82.2 because of the aoa match, when both were combined the match rate was certainly higher than 82.2 for DO’s but nonetheless this is great news for DO’s!
I have also seen Urology at Charleston area medical center and PMR UT san Antonio so far.Our dean says over 98% of our class matched. I'm sure that's including SOAP matches so I'm not sure the exact number that got a spot in the main match but I've seen some pretty good matches on social media from our 4th years. I've seen IM at the University of Cincinnati, PMR at Wash U, PMR at the Cleveland Clinic (main campus) and anesthesiology at Ohio State so far.
I can almost cry. I thought we were doomed ;-;
I think we were all just scared. Heck I still am, but seeing DOs match in awesome competitive residencies gives me hope. One thing I am not looking forward to is Step 1 P/F though. Of course this is assuming I change my mind about wanting to go into IM and want a more competitive specialty.Is there still doom and gloom for the class of 2024 and above? Asking for a friend ...![]()
Is there still doom and gloom for the class of 2024 and above? Asking for a friend ...![]()
Yo that y-axis scale though
This data doesn’t tell you about people who dual applied specialties. The other 34% probably matched into another specialty. Take EM for example. Match rate is 80% based on this data but many EM applicants are really FM/IM applicants who throw out EM apps are just dual apply but match into the other speciality. Tho some percentage truly go totally unmatched but you can really tell what percentage based on this.I think we were all just scared. Heck I still am, but seeing DOs match in awesome competitive residencies gives me hope. One thing I am not looking forward to is Step 1 P/F though. Of course this is assuming I change my mind about wanting to go into IM and want a more competitive specialty.
Wrong quoteThis data doesn’t tell you about people who dual applied specialties. The other 34% probably matched into another specialty. Take EM for example. Match rate is 80% based on this data but many EM applicants are really FM/IM applicants who throw out EM apps are just dual apply but match into the other speciality. Tho some percentage truly go totally unmatched but you can really tell what percentage based on this.
That's what I figured - that the chart doesn't account for people who probably do something like dual apply IM/neuro with neuro as a backup. So in reality for a lot of the specialties with apparently low match rates on the chart, the match rate for people that actually wanted to go into those specialties as their first choice is much higher.This data doesn’t tell you about people who dual applied specialties. The other 34% probably matched into another specialty. Take EM for example. Match rate is 80% based on this data but many EM applicants are really FM/IM applicants who throw out EM apps are just dual apply but match into the other speciality. Tho some percentage truly go totally unmatched but you can really tell what percentage based on this.
Is there still doom and gloom for the class of 2024 and above? Asking for a friend ...![]()
This is my thinking as well. It says on the document it included applicants who applied to multiple specialties. I personally know multiple people who did this, and they will show up as an applicant and non-match to their back up specialty.
Charting outcomes will give us a clearer picture.
However, I would say the numbers for the competitive specialties is probably accurate as we can assume those people all ranked all programs in those specialties higher than their back ups. For example, a 60% match rate to ortho is actually pretty solid, seeing as last year the match rate in the DO match was almost 45%.... Overall this should be considered a win for DO's. Although I still worry about the massive influx of candidates that will happen in the next 5 years.
What's in the next 5 years? The previous 5 years had a lot of schools opening too.
Not really. Residency spots have opened at about the same rate for the last decade.Residency spots continue to increase at a good enough rate for now