I agree -- but if someone WANTS to take the long way around, more power to them.Anasazi23 said:At that point, isn't it just easier to go to medical school and take some weekend courses in psychological testing?
You theoretically can't be a master of both unless attending both psychology grad school and medical school; I'd rather err on the side of knowing too much medicine, and not enough psych testing.
In medicine, a little bit of knowledge can be very dangerous.
Point taken. However I was assuming "medical training" to be all encompassing. I do not think that it ought to be a "short cut". But, provided that it's all encompassing, I still stand by my original argument.Anasazi23 said:The point of getting medical training is to practice medicine.
Psychologists should not be doing this.
Basically he's describing someone who goes to psychology school, gets trained as a psychologist, then takes cursory coursework, presumably with no clinical rotations with resident responsibilities (where "real" medicine is learned) then somehow applies this to psychiatric patients.
Seriously, if someone is so interested in mental health, medicine, and psychopharmacology, get your MD or DO and play all you want. That's what it is. Why do we have to invent some complicated, artificial degree program?
The extrapolation of this to other medical fields sounds even more ludicrous. Why not let the CCU nurse take medical courses, pharmacology training, and see cardiac patients? The standard of care in that scenario is to just see a friggin' cardiologist. The route for this type of education is already in place.
There is no Master's in medicine that I'm aware of that carries any kind of serious clout. This doesn't really seem to be a realistic question.
If all you want is medical training and/or knowledge for your personal interest...be my guest. But the minute you start applying or making medical recommendations - that's a serious problem for both you and the patient.
psisci said:RxP aside, how do you psychiatry students feel about the big push for psychologists to get some level of medical training (MS program etc..).
I am glad to hear that Anasazi. I think that type of model is much of what Psisci and I are referring to. It is helpful when psychologists take on medical training and then incorporate it into patient care. For a psychologist to have medical knowledge and not incorporate it into patient care seems unethical. If we identify lithium toxicity, we had better act. Were going to contact the psychiatrist/ER so the patient can get the assistance they need.Anasazi23 said:Aw, I wasn't really getting worked up in that last post...my tone of voice wasn't conveyed properly with the written word. Everyone knows how I feel about this. It's no secret.
A psychologist referring their therapy or testing patient back to a physician for akithetic symptoms? Sounds good to me.
I'm being continually paged. I gotta go. I can't wait till residency is over.
Rather absolutist. Why do you feel that way? Especially since you admit that it is a job, and in the job market "cross training" is all the rage.engineer said:psychologists have NO business prescribing meds PERIOD. This is ridiculous. stick to your own job!!!!!!