2nd Bachelors Experience

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Hello,

After posting on SDN about my possible route to med school, I was given the advice to get a 2nd Bachelors. My quick stats: 2.995 cGPA, ~2.8-2.9 sGPA. I am currently in socal. I just recently graduated from UCR and taking a gap year. I have been looking at possible 2nd bachelors universities that I can get into with my stats and which are around me, but so far the only school that offers one is CSULB. I was wondering if any of you can point me to any other university that offers a 2nd bachelors. I would prefer it to be a CSU since it is cheaper and more appropriate for my stats.

Additionally, for those who have done a 2nd bachelors, how was the experience? How long did it take for you to complete it? Did you need to take any general requirement classes or was it mostly major related? And also, when applying, did you retake the SAT or do anything else besides just applying?
 
I didn't finish through with a second bach. but I finished pre-medical pre-reqs. Are you shooting for MD or DO?

The easiest and cheapest option would just be to finish pre-medical pre-reqs at a local CC. Ace the classes and crush the MCAT. Get solid ECs and you have a shot.

A second bach. costs more $, takes more time, and the additional classes may minimally raise your GPA. Were you able to complete any pre-reqs in your first degree?

The other option would be a pre-med post-bac program that is linked to a specific school. Those are a good option if you got cash flow.
 
Thanks for the reply. I am shooting for becoming a doctor, MD or DO, but most likely DO with my stats even with improvements. I took a good amount of pre-reqs in college since I started as a premed, but most of them were C's and B's. I would consider the CC option but from what I have read here and from common sense it seems that I need to show a strong science performance for a decent period of time, at an accredited school/program. I would consider post-bac's but they are hard to get into and are shorter. I don't have any EC's, haven't taken the MCAT, and have not volunteered. So, taking a year of CC classes will not do much to my case.
 
If you complete the required pre-reqs at a CC over the course of 2 years and do ECS, you'll be on the right track.

I'll let others chime in. If you want to take longer to do another degree, which requires additional classes you won't need, then feel free. The MCAT is the even bigger hurdle regardless of where you do your classes though.
 
Enroll in a second bachelors and take the required and most of the recommended courses for std med schools. Be sure to take biochem before the MCAT as it is heavy biochem. If you get accepted then you don't necessarily have to finish the second bach and no one will care. With CC science courses you would have even more weight placed on your MCAT since your gpa is weak for your first bachelors. DO is likely your best route as they have grade forgiveness.

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Hello,

After posting on SDN about my possible route to med school, I was given the advice to get a 2nd Bachelors. My quick stats: 2.995 cGPA, ~2.8-2.9 sGPA. I am currently in socal. I just recently graduated from UCR and taking a gap year. I have been looking at possible 2nd bachelors universities that I can get into with my stats and which are around me, but so far the only school that offers one is CSULB. I was wondering if any of you can point me to any other university that offers a 2nd bachelors. I would prefer it to be a CSU since it is cheaper and more appropriate for my stats.

Additionally, for those who have done a 2nd bachelors, how was the experience? How long did it take for you to complete it? Did you need to take any general requirement classes or was it mostly major related? And also, when applying, did you retake the SAT or do anything else besides just applying?
I did a second bacc.
Basic info: 1st degree in Lib.Arts, ~2.6 cGPA. 2nd in Biochem, took 3 years, 3.93 cGPA. Mixed together this brings the overall GPA to 3.1. Doing a Masters in Bio at the moment, with expectations of a pub in the next year. Didn't get in my first round, due to poor application choices, currently applying again with 1 II so far. I'm 31 years old.

Pretty much any university (esp. state U) will let you do a 2nd bacc if you can pony up the money, either on your own or through loans. They may not advertise it, but if you search their course catalogs for general graduation requirements (x # of hours must be completed in y & z areas to earn a degree) then there should also be a note in there about how many hours 2nd bacc folks must complete to get a degree. This means they offer it, so you can apply. Generally fewer hours and non-major courses are waived. I don't know the CA schools, so if in doubt, call the admissions offices.

As for my experience, it was fine. I have a decent, small-ish department at a SUNY school, so I got to know everybody pretty quickly and got involved in research and other ECs pretty soon. I didn't retake the SAT or anything like that, and I don't even remember what the score was originally. Didn't report it. I did have to call down to my high school and get them to send in a transcript (which felt silly 10 years after the fact, with a college transcript in hand, but they wanted it). The biggest part of getting accepted for me was having an interview with the chair and being very clear about what I wanted to do, and that I was capable of doing it.
I didn't really take anything outside the major classes - I hit the pre-reqs pretty fast and then moved into upper levels to beef up my gpa. However, take a gander at the general classes required for med school besides the obvious science ones - there's often an English, humanities, psych/social science, and/or math requirement as well. So if you don't have those through your first degree, or don't have good grades in them, then you should take some of those as well. Don't depend on your advisor to tell you want to take, you have to be in charge of that. Your end goal isn't finishing another degree which is all they know how to advise you for. It's boning up your gpa and getting into medical school. If another degree happens, fine and dandy, but that's not the point of all this.

Now bear in mind, that averages being what they are it will take a lot of classes with straight As to shift your gpa. I started lower than you, but it took me 2 years at >full time to break 3.0. If you put in that level of work, and take advantage of grade replacement at DO schools (wasn't an option for me), yours would end up higher than mine but it will not be quick or easy. Or cheap. I'm currently sitting on ~100K in student loans before I even start med school (20K left from the 1st round, 40K from the 2nd, and 40K from the Masters). SO you need to be d@mn sure that this is the path you want to take before you launch into this.
If you haven't shadowed yet, start doing that now. Before you apply for classes. Make sure you know what you're getting yourself into, in gritty, gory detail, before you spend that money. You're young and have time to figure it out, but you have to really, really want this to make it through. Another year to prepare is not a bad thing, either by working or shadowing or (preferably) both. Taking college classes is the easy part. It only gets harder from there.

Also you've been given good advice from @DrMidlife and @QofQuimica in your first thread. They have novels worth of advice that they've given to others in your same situation over the years. Go look it up and read it. I did when I was starting down this road and it was incredibly helpful.
 
@mmkrt001 Hi. I suggest you consider working full time for at least 6 months before you consider returning to school.
 
I was looking at a 2nd bachelor back in the day. In CA, both CSUs and UCs severely limit 2nd bachelor candidates into specific degrees. For example, chemistry (UCB) and engineering (CSULB). I don't think a 2nd bachelor is worthwhile and I would be more inclined to go to CC, postbac, or master while working in the real world.

Disclaimer: I'm a nontraditional reapplicant.
 
I was looking at a 2nd bachelor back in the day. In CA, both CSUs and UCs severely limit 2nd bachelor candidates into specific degrees. For example, chemistry (UCB) and engineering (CSULB). I don't think a 2nd bachelor is worthwhile and I would be more inclined to go to CC, postbac, or master while working in the real world.

Disclaimer: I'm a nontraditional reapplicant.

I was actually looking into CSULB for 2nd bachelor's, but what I have seen on their website, you have to act like a transfer student when applying there. I was wondering if you know that if we can retake those general chemistry, biology, and etc. if we get in their second bachelor's?

http://web.csulb.edu/depts/enrollment/admissions/postbaccalaureate.html
 
Thank you for everyone taking the time to answer, really appreciate it, especially @kraskadva (Thank you for the thorough response). I know the risk with time/money/etc with making this choice that is why I am taking a year off from school, researching more about the subject, and also looking into starting volunteering to be absolutely positive. Good luck with your own journey and nice comeback.

Everyone who said that a CC would be a better option, I still think that I will try to get into a state university anyway, because I am willing to take a little longer time (3-4 years) to get into a better school. But if I do not get into a 2nd bachelors/open university/extension then I will most likely take the CC road. I also might have the option of going back to UCR for postbac if they take me back but I am hesitant because of the higher tuition and bad habits that lead to my poor GPA in the first place.

If anyone from socal with similar stats as mine (or even different) can give me any other schools or programs that they have had any luck with , please let me know.
 
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I forgot to ask, for those talking about taking the CC road, did you have personal success with that or know anyone who did. If anyone knows a thread about this subject on SDN please provide a link. I am also hesitant to take the CC road because from what I have heard from a lot of friends who went to CC after high school, especially in California, classes are a lot harder to get into which will lag my road to GPA recovery.
 
I forgot to ask, for those talking about taking the CC road, did you have personal success with that or know anyone who did. If anyone knows a thread about this subject on SDN please provide a link. I am also hesitant to take the CC road because from what I have heard from a lot of friends who went to CC after high school, especially in California, classes are a lot harder to get into which will lag my road to GPA recovery.

Look up specific med schools (some state directly on their website, they prefer courses taken at a 4yr college or uni) you are interested in and see how they view CC courses. Most DO schools are fine with such but some MD are not. Better to find out directly from schools than get dozens of assumptions on SDN. If the five med schools you'd love to attend are against CC it doesn't matter if 100 others are fine with such.
 
@mmkrt001 No, you don't know the risk with time/money which is exactly why you type the way you do and are making the decisions you are currently making.

A sub-3.0 average is beyond bad habits, it's just bad. When it comes to schools in California invariably more so. Taking a "gap year" won't address fundamental issues with how you think, especially when you're out of tune with both the academic and working world to the point where most students are working and not volunteering with their degree in order to pay off student loans.
 
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@Sardinia Thanks for the input. I am currently working. I am not going to explain myself, or type a certain way. I have made mistakes in the past, and learned from them, but now I am going to recover and pursue my career goal no matter the risk. I am just here to ask for advice.
 
@DrMikeP Thanks for the advice, I will look into that. But no matter what it says on their websites, just because they are okay with accepting CC courses does not mean that they are encouraged in my opinion. It's the same as certain schools writing that they require a minimum GPA of 3.0 but they don't necessarily accept students with such grades.
 
@DrMikeP Thanks for the advice, I will look into that. But no matter what it says on their websites, just because they are okay with accepting CC courses does not mean that they are encouraged in my opinion. It's the same as certain schools writing that they require a minimum GPA of 3.0 but they don't necessarily accept students with such grades.
It's more of an issue of making sure the school you love doesn't say absolutely no CC and then if you go that route you find you put in 2 yrs and automatically eliminated yourself from where you want to go. IMO going to a university is a better option when available and affordable, but many go the cc route and rock the MCAT and get in.

The issue is overcoming the low gpa and that means your options are limited out the gate to likely DO programs. I've learned that people rarely go back and make all As and score 520😳n the MCAT. It is a good goal but just seldom happens. DO schools overall have little issue with cc courses.

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