4-yr OMFS Programs: Your Current Top 5

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Hey everyone,

Doing my externships lately has been a huge eye-opener. I've noticed a pretty big gap between how certain OMFS programs are viewed online versus how attendings and residents talk about them behind closed doors. I've heard casual comments writing off some traditionally "top-tier" or very competitive programs for having malignant cultures or major training gaps.

It kind of shocked me. Even while externing, you realize you're still an outsider and a lot of the real day-to-day culture slips under the radar. It's a bit daunting realizing how little I actually know about places I might spend the next four years of my life at.

For those already in residency or out in practice, if you were applying today, what would your top 5 four-year programs be and why? Really curious what places you think are actually living up to the hype right now in terms of culture, volume, and scope.

Appreciate any insights!

 

[4thm0lar]

I only applied in the northeast and was looking for programs with strong implant, sedation, and orthognathic experience. From my experience on interviews, a few programs that stood out as strong in no particular order:

- VCU
- Christiana
- NYU
- Rutgers
- St Josephs
- Montefiore

 

[GimmeTheScalpel]

Add to the list: Cook County, UT Houston, Medstar, Cincinnati, and UIC.

 

[Rush_motion]

USC has historically been good and extremely competitive to get into. One of the very few 4 year programs that let residents moonlight.

I don’t know what it’s like now but hospital of st Raphael (now known as Yale) has been known to be an extremely friendly and non malignant program. Low volume but high yield per case (attendings are very patient and let residents do all the cutting). This is what was known over a decade ago.

UOP - should be on anyone’s top 5 list.

Harbor ucla - extra points for location.

 

[Rush_motion]

Carle clinic - probably historically one of the best omfs programs out there.

I’ve also heard the military programs offer excellent 4 year programs. Definitely worth joining the military and checking out.

Maryland - another good 4 year program.

Baylor - heard great things.

Emory - very good and comprehensive program.

My information may be outdated - someone else feel free to correct me if things have changed or some of these positions don’t exist any longer.

 

[Rush_motion]

Jackson memorial hospital - can’t believe I didn’t mention this one. Probably one of the top omfs programs period! Also their interview experience is awesome. They even let me stay on overnight with the on call and chief resident. Definitely apply to this one !

 

[GimmeTheScalpel]

Jackson memorial hospital - can’t believe I didn’t mention this one. Probably one of the top omfs programs period! Also their interview experience is awesome. They even let me stay on overnight with the on call and chief resident. Definitely apply to this one !

Lots of teeth and trauma. They’re just starting to get their oncology program back so it’s becoming more well rounded. I don’t think they do a ton of much else.

Carle - Manlove left and she carried a huge bulk of that program

 

[confusedtoothlover]

Can you expand

Carle clinic - probably historically one of the best omfs programs out there.

I’ve also heard the military programs offer excellent 4 year programs. Definitely worth joining the military and checking out.

Maryland - another good 4 year program.

Baylor - heard great things.

Emory - very good and comprehensive program.

My information may be outdated - someone else feel free to correct me if things have changed or some of these positions don’t exist any longer.

Can you expand on Baylor? Haven't heard much about the program and would love to know more!

 

[orthognathic99]

BU is also a very strong program to consider for both 4 and 6 year! The program is affiliated with Boston Medical Center, a Level 1 trauma center and the largest safety net hospital in New England. Busy well-rounded program, 11 full-time faculty, great culture. You'll get your fair share of trauma, some onc, and bread-and-butter OMFS. 3rd and 4th/chief years are essentially equal in terms of operating responsibilities and rotations, and residents have no problem meeting/exceeding required case numbers by the end of 3rd/early 4th year. This is definitely a program worth externing/applying.

 

[Xx_Dent_xX]

what 4 year programs allow you to moonlight other than USC? any in the east coast?

 

[Rush_motion]

BU is also a very strong program to consider for both 4 and 6 year! The program is affiliated with Boston Medical Center, a Level 1 trauma center and the largest safety net hospital in New England. Busy well-rounded program, 11 full-time faculty, great culture. You'll get your fair share of trauma, some onc, and bread-and-butter OMFS. 3rd and 4th/chief years are essentially equal in terms of operating responsibilities and rotations, and residents have no problem meeting/exceeding required case numbers by the end of 3rd/early 4th year. This is definitely a program worth externing/applying.

How much cancer do they do ?
How many fellows do they have ?
Do the fellows operate any case they want ? Or just cancer ?

 

[orthognathic99]

How much cancer do they do ?
How many fellows do they have ?
Do the fellows operate any case they want ? Or just cancer ?

About 50 flaps per year.
No fellows - there used to be a fellowship program years ago but that has since ended.
The residents operate with attendings on all OR cases.