rainashley Membership Revoked Removed 10+ Year Member Joined Dec 1, 2009 Messages 92 Reaction score 0 Points 0 Jan 3, 2010 #1 Members do not see this ad. 4s or 3d? which one has lower energy? which one fills first? why?
PiBond Call me Bond...PiBond 10+ Year Member Joined Aug 12, 2009 Messages 623 Reaction score 21 Points 4,641 Location Boston Resident [Any Field] Jan 3, 2010 #2 rainashley said: 4s or 3d? which one has lower energy? which one fills first? why? Click to expand... 4s level is filled before 3d...4s has lower energy. also know that when we remove an electron that they get removed from 4s before 3d because of half-filled d stability Upvote 0 Downvote
rainashley said: 4s or 3d? which one has lower energy? which one fills first? why? Click to expand... 4s level is filled before 3d...4s has lower energy. also know that when we remove an electron that they get removed from 4s before 3d because of half-filled d stability
rainashley Membership Revoked Removed 10+ Year Member Joined Dec 1, 2009 Messages 92 Reaction score 0 Points 0 Jan 3, 2010 #3 so 4s gets filled and removed from first? 4s is also lower in energy? why? Upvote 0 Downvote
PiBond Call me Bond...PiBond 10+ Year Member Joined Aug 12, 2009 Messages 623 Reaction score 21 Points 4,641 Location Boston Resident [Any Field] Jan 3, 2010 #4 rainashley said: so 4s gets filled and removed from first? 4s is also lower in energy? why? Click to expand... 4s is lower in energy than 3d because the average position of the electron in 4s is closer to the nucleus than in 3d...this equates to lower energy Upvote 0 Downvote
rainashley said: so 4s gets filled and removed from first? 4s is also lower in energy? why? Click to expand... 4s is lower in energy than 3d because the average position of the electron in 4s is closer to the nucleus than in 3d...this equates to lower energy
Isoprop Fascinating, tell me more 10+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Oct 16, 2007 Messages 4,197 Reaction score 36 Points 4,831 Medical Student Jan 4, 2010 #5 PiBond said: also know that when we remove an electron that they get removed from 4s before 3d because of half-filled d stability Click to expand... Actually, 4s always gets removed before 3d even when there isn't half-filled or filled d orbitals. Upvote 0 Downvote
PiBond said: also know that when we remove an electron that they get removed from 4s before 3d because of half-filled d stability Click to expand... Actually, 4s always gets removed before 3d even when there isn't half-filled or filled d orbitals.
Isoprop Fascinating, tell me more 10+ Year Member 15+ Year Member Joined Oct 16, 2007 Messages 4,197 Reaction score 36 Points 4,831 Medical Student Jan 4, 2010 #6 rainashley said: so 4s gets filled and removed from first? 4s is also lower in energy? why? Click to expand... The reason why is beyond the scope of the MCAT. Just remember that 4s fills before 3d, but 4s electrons are removed first when transition metals ionize. (Note: chemists today are still debating why this happens). Upvote 0 Downvote
rainashley said: so 4s gets filled and removed from first? 4s is also lower in energy? why? Click to expand... The reason why is beyond the scope of the MCAT. Just remember that 4s fills before 3d, but 4s electrons are removed first when transition metals ionize. (Note: chemists today are still debating why this happens).