4th year IM audtions?

[Espressso]

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I hear mixed reviews on how important audition rotations for IM are. From what I understand, I feel like as a DO student set to graduate in 2021, auditions will be pretty important, regardless of the specialty.

As someone who is set on IM, and interested in a few sub-specialties.. my question is whether or not 4th year audition rotations should be specifically IM/hospitalist electives? Or can they be electives in sub-specialties at programs you plan to apply to for IM?

For example: say I plan to apply to an IM residency in say, Philly, PA. Should I do my audition there in IM specifically, or can I do an audition/elective in cardiology at that same hospital?

 

[Moose A Moose]

Internal medicine specific rotations will have the most pull for what you’re seeking. Audition electives and sub-I’s can be a double-edged sword. If you’re a hard worker and personable, do as many as you can.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I consider auditions to be key. I auditioned at a program I initially had high hopes for and learned there that I hated it. It was so bad I didn't rank it and would have rather gone unmatched

 

[Dwan]

I hear mixed reviews on how important audition rotations for IM are. From what I understand, I feel like as a DO student set to graduate in 2021, auditions will be pretty important, regardless of the specialty.

As someone who is set on IM, and interested in a few sub-specialties.. my question is whether or not 4th year audition rotations should be specifically IM/hospitalist electives? Or can they be electives in sub-specialties at programs you plan to apply to for IM?

For example: say I plan to apply to an IM residency in say, Philly, PA. Should I do my audition there in IM specifically, or can I do an audition/elective in cardiology at that same hospital?

SubI/MICU are ideal if they allow it, but specialty is fine too (less reward but less risky too). I'm a US-MD and I met very few DOs/carribs on the interview trail at top IM places that have never taken them - all had connections of some sort, away or SO/family. Some aways will guarantee you an interview, sometimes while you're on the rotation (even at a few top institutions), but it'll still be really hard to actually get ranked high enough to match if your qualifications aren't up to par with the normal candidate. I did really well at a sub-specialty IM elective at a top place that doesn't courtesy interview and did not get an invite, but the letter and grade helped me get invites to other great places. The away performance was hyped at some of my interviews (rather than my subI at home school) probably because it's a prestigious school and my med school is not. (even though honors is typically given more generously at big-name places vs low-mid tiers, for both M3 and M4)

 

[deleted610572]

Depends. If you are a chill person and you can audition well then it is a good idea at programs you are specifically interested in. If you are dull/abrasive/audition poorly then don’t risk it.

 

[acapnial]

I hear mixed reviews on how important audition rotations for IM are. From what I understand, I feel like as a DO student set to graduate in 2021, auditions will be pretty important, regardless of the specialty.

As someone who is set on IM, and interested in a few sub-specialties.. my question is whether or not 4th year audition rotations should be specifically IM/hospitalist electives? Or can they be electives in sub-specialties at programs you plan to apply to for IM?

For example: say I plan to apply to an IM residency in say, Philly, PA. Should I do my audition there in IM specifically, or can I do an audition/elective in cardiology at that same hospital?

If your application on paper just isn't up to the standards of the program then doing a subI really won't make up for it at the vast majority of places, even if you're well liked. Also it usually won't really help very much if your app IS up to the standards of the program. It could help if you're right on the edge of matching vs not matching I guess. As a DO it makes you a more attractive applicant if you can get a letter of rec from an away rotation at an MD institution, but not absolutely critical to get a good academic match.

 

[Jinxapotato]

I did 4 away rotations and got 4 interviews out of it, all from university programs

 

[DokterMom]

Use them wisely knowing they can get you over a small hump but can also backfire big-time. Consider whether you'd make a better impression on paper (just board scores and rec letters) or if your sparkling personality and work ethic are your stronger suit.

I'd look for programs where your paper stats already make you a viable candidate and where a great rotation can make you a strong candidate. Of course also consider geography and whether a program has a history of taking DOs.

If you've got connections, you might want to not rotate in places where your stats and connections can get you the interview instead anyway.

 

[ortnakas]

I'd look for programs where your paper stats already make you a viable candidate and where a great rotation can make you a strong candidate. Of course also consider geography and whether a program has a history of taking DOs.
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This. I think auditions can help put you over the edge in places that would have interviewed you (or at least strongly thought about it) anyway; don’t waste a month at a program where your interview will be a courtesy interview regardless.