7 year programs

[HATMOKE]

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I heard in passing from an attending that some places have 7 year ENT programs with two years devoted to research, and that these tend not to be very popular, with some spots going unfilled. Is this really the case? I am curious if anyone has some info about these programs and where they are offered. I am interested in academic medicine, so something like this would be very appealing for me. Thanks!

 

[rmm262002]

The programs are sponsored by a T32 grant from the NIH. You can probably find a little more info on the details of the grant on their site. Off the top of my head, some places that have this are:
Iowa
Indiana
Wash U
Hopkins
Harvard/MEEI
U Wash
Oregon
Michigan
Pittsburgh
UNC

There are probably a few others I am forgetting, but as you can see, a number of the top programs have this option. Some places, like Hopkins, everyone applies together; at others, like Wash U, you can choose one or both tracks in ERAS.

 

[BlondeDocteur]

I know about Hopkins' program from very personal experience (my sister-in-law is in it).

This is *not* a backdoor into Hopkins ENT. They match their class of residents and in internship it is decided who will be 5-year and who will be 7. In my SIL's class there wasn't much enthusiasm, so two people ended up drawing straws. She got the short straw and therefore she's finishing up her PGY-3 year in the lab right now.

 

[fongool]

Keep in mind for academic ENT a fellowship is often needed as well - so you are looking at another year, or two (otology, some peds) on top.

 

[Res-J]

Since the 7 year programs are partially funded by NIH, does this mean that former MSTP students are not eligible?

 

[Wardens]

Since the 7 year programs are partially funded by NIH, does this mean that former MSTP students are not eligible?

That was my impression. I've been told by residents at two programs that MD/PhD students could not do the 7 year tracks. I don't know if this is national or program policy though.

 

[02tigeralum]

Does that also apply to MD/PhD students who were not MSTP. My program funded my research itself, since at this time it's not large enough to receive MSTP funding.

 

[CRAZYTERP]

MudPhuds can and should apply to the T32 programs but u have to ask yourself after 7 -8 yrs of medical school do u really want 7 years of residency? I am a first year in one of the 7 yr programs and I think that if u r an mdphd and interested in academics u really can't go wrong with any of the top programs as they are all geared towards academics and have at least 6 months of research time which will be well used by PhD caliber resident.

just my 2 cents.

CT