90 day prescriptions of stimulants

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This question may seem simple and obvious but I have not been able to find an easy answer.

Since 2007, we have been able to write for schedule 2 prescriptions for 90 days.
My understanding is that it is 3, 30 day prescriptions.
However, I have seen prescriptions for 90 days written all at once.

I have looked to find where this is prohibited but cannot however, I do see on the DEA site where they show that it is supposed to be 3 prescriptions for 30 days each.

Does anyone have any clarification.
Also, I would prefer actual data/links and not opinion.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help (or tries).

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You can't do a single 90 day script for schedule 2, but you can do 3 one month scripts per the feds... states may be more limiting

How I read it is that the DEA allows multiple scripts up to 90 days but doesn't require it. I know for a fact Express Scripts fills single script for 90 day supply of Vyvanse. They actually push for it. I have a family member who takes Vyvanse and a 90 day supply from a single prescription from Express Scripts in my house as we speak. It takes patients 2 weeks, at the very least, to receive it because Express Scripts has to get signatures everywhere the bottle travels - where it's filled, packaged, where it's shipped,, etc.
 
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If a patient is requesting a 90 day script, it's probably because their PBM (Express Scripts or CVS Caremark) is hounding them to change it to 90 days. They're relentless about pushing patients to change to a 90 day supply.
 
I have no doubt that PBM 's are requesting and filling 90 days scripts for stimulants, but that puts the prescribing doctors dea license at risk

I'm surprised by this. Do you have a link showing a single script for 90 days is prohibited or it just concern that the DEA would frown on it?. The doc I know is very careful - He's pretty much by the book. This is what I'm reading: https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/rules/2007/fr1119.htm

Every time I read the link above I read it differently. The DEA could stand to be a little more clear on this. Yikes, I'm feeling a little uneasy about this. Our convenience is definitely not worth his getting into trouble.
 
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In my area the PP docs NEVER will give you any controlled substance longer than 30 days. The CMHC also have trended to stop giving out most controls but those are the only places I see refills given on certain schedules mostly due to inability to see patients any quicker than q60 or q90 days.
 
In my area the PP docs NEVER will give you any controlled substance longer than 30 days. The CMHC also have trended to stop giving out most controls but those are the only places I see refills given on certain schedules mostly due to inability to see patients any quicker than q60 or q90 days.

I very rarely do this. I may have 2 patients that have been on the same stimulants forever. They aren’t on other controlled meds, never request early refills, on long-acting formulations, and insurance pushes it. They are boring and stable. From a risk perspective, they are very low.

I’ve had an attorney look into this, and he could not find wording prohibiting 90 day supplies. 90 day supplies were allowed in my residency training as well. Advised to not try 91 days ever.
 
Very rare that I'll give out a 90 day script on a stimulant. One of my patients just got an educational internship in marine biology overseas and needed to have it written for 3 months - I gave it to her. Otherwise, the last time I wrote for 90 days was more than 5 years ago.
 
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I have like 2 patients who have twisted my arm into doing this by endlessly hounding me about how it's so much cheaper and/or so much less onerous for them to only have to go to the pharmacy every 90 days. It hasn't been a problem so far, but I hate prescribing stimulants and treating "ADHD" in general and am in the process of fleeing to inpatient so I don't have to deal with this nonsense.
 
My state limits schedule 2 to 30 day quantities only. There's an exception for stimulants when prescribed for narcolepsy (but not Xyrem, for some reason). It's yet another hasty heavy-handed legislative initiative in reaction to the opioid epidemic. Except they decided to broaden to everything in schedule 2.
 
Well, I guess my information is outdated and since late 2007 it has been permissible to write a single 90 day script for stimulants (although the new DEA regs in my opinion make no sense):

from https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/pubs/manuals/pract/section5.htm

"While some states and many insurance carriers limit the quantity of controlled substance dispensed to a 30-day supply, there are no specific federal limits to quantities of drugs dispensed via a prescription."

and "DEA has revised its regulations regarding the issuance of multiple prescriptions for schedule II controlled substances. Under the new regulation, which became effective December 19, 2007, an individual practitioner may issue multiple prescriptions authorizing the patient to receive a total of up to a 90-day supply of a schedule II controlled substance "

As FlowRAte noted, many state regs are more restrictive. Missippi limits it like FlowRate describes.
 
Q. Is there a limit on the number of schedule II dosage units a practitioner can prescribe to a patient?
A. There is no federal limit as to the amount of controlled substances a practitioner can legitimately prescribe. However, if a registered practitioner issues multiple schedule II prescriptions, he /she is limited to the combined effect of allowing a patient to receive, over time, up to a 90-day supply of a particular schedule II controlled substance.
This is the dea answer.
However, I find it so vague.
To what many people above have replied, the insurance companies have been demanding 90 days prescriptions or refusing to cover: i have had the same experience.
This puts patients in a legitimately difficult situation.

I am still struggling with this but so far have not filled the 90 day prescription.
 
Best I can tell the primary predictor of if a psychiatrist makes a stable ADHD patient come monthly or not is the psychiatrists compensation model. If straight salary that patient is getting 3x30 day scripts. If PP or productivity based you know for sure the patient will be diligently monitored monthly...
 
Best I can tell the primary predictor of if a psychiatrist makes a stable ADHD patient come monthly or not is the psychiatrists compensation model. If straight salary that patient is getting 3x30 day scripts. If PP or productivity based you know for sure the patient will be diligently monitored monthly...

Its also somewhat not feasible to be able to see monthly patients at a CMHC or hospital based outpatient practice.
 
Oddly enough, I've seen this in CT...a patient wanted me to start seeing them...when I checked the PMP, they were getting 90 days worth of Vyvanse from a local CVS, amongst other things. Usually a 3x30 day is what I see for stable patients.
 
Sorry to rehash this old thread, but I have a question regarding stimulants. We only do paper scripts and due to COVID we have been writing 45 day supply for our stable kids. Some of the appointments are far apart for the stable kids. In an effort to avoid them having to come to the office for scripts multiple times can we write them a script for the stimulant (C2), before their current supply runs out? Or is this frowned upon? Thanks!
 
I used to print three prescriptions. Each reflected the day they were written (i.e. today) and I entered a future start date on each of the prescriptions. Essentialy one month out and two months out. Handed them to the patients and instructed do not lose these.

Now my state and EMR have no problem and prefer E-scripts for controlled substances.
 
Don't know if this is the norm, but I have had patient pharmacies willing to hold on to all three 30 days scripts and fill when due. Saves the fear of the patient losing it.
 
EMR I currently use for prescribing let's you specify future effective dates for scripts and I have a couple of people who get three 30 day scripts from me for filling when the time comes. Never had any trouble from pharmacies and our PDMP suggests they are being filled on the dates intended.
 
Don't know if this is the norm, but I have had patient pharmacies willing to hold on to all three 30 days scripts and fill when due. Saves the fear of the patient losing it.

This is what I recommend to ADHD patients or anyone prone to losing scripts, and haven't had any feedback from any of our pharmacists that this is an issue.

For long term meds I will prescribe a script lasting 6 months, but our rules are such that only a month's supply can be dispensed at anyone time.

For patients who have gone to refill their script early inappropriately, I usually specify a fixed interval eg. "Dispense x pills every y days, no early refills."

It's harder for patients to go to multiple different pharmacists now, but if I thought that was happening I'd also specify only location the script could be dispensed on.
 
Thanks for the info. I guess in the future I will do 3 scrips. But the current setting I work in does not allow this.

So for instance, if a patient filled their Adderall on 04/25 for #30, I could in theory write a script for them today and they could take it to their pharmacy and have it held? Or do I need to specify do not fill before 05/23 ( 2 days before it is suppose to finish)?
 
Thanks for the info. I guess in the future I will do 3 scrips. But the current setting I work in does not allow this.

So for instance, if a patient filled their Adderall on 04/25 for #30, I could in theory write a script for them today and they could take it to their pharmacy and have it held? Or do I need to specify do not fill before 05/23 ( 2 days before it is suppose to finish)?

You need to write do not fill until x/xx on the paper script, you can write them in advance and pharmacies should hold them. This is getting into relic territory as most places are e-prescribing and pharmacies/drug monitoring seems to prefer this the most. Most EMRs let you just select the start date for the meds.

I'm a bit curious where you are training at for CAP that does not use electronic scripts, if you have a second and could DM me that info I'd appreciate it.
 
I have mostly done 30 day supplies for my ADHD patients, a few 60 days (some of which insurance will cover a 60 day supply, for other they need two separate 30 day scripts). I have never attempted a 90 day supply. YMMV.
 
This issue can be frustrating.

E.g. you send out three 30 day scripts, each with a DO NOT FILL UNTIL date. So what sometimes happens is I write all 3, they've all got the right DNF dates on them and the patient goes up to pick up their 2nd or 3rd script and the pharmacy cancels it or alleges they can't find it despite that often times later on they say they found it. (I don't get it. It's on a computer, it's not paper records. What's not to find if you put in the patient's name and birthday?)

So the patient calls me up and I don't want to write another cause I have no idea if the pharmacy gave it out, so we call the pharmacy to check and they put us on hold about 5 minutes, but the entire ordeal wasted about 20 between hearing the patient, double checking your records and calling the the pharmacy to check.

And to have this happen several times a week is just that much more frustrating. I'd guestimate at least 3-5 hours a week is wasted doing this. It's possibly much more.

Yes it does depend on the state. In Missouri you can write three 30 day scripts. You can only write a 90-day script if you specifically write down "CHRONIC STABLE ADHD" and the ICD-10 code on the script. But then you don't know if the insurance will pay for a 90-day script and the insurance company doesn't tell you ahead of time, and the pharmacist could refuse to give out all 90 days worth on their own judgment too creating yet many more situations where another 20 minutes of your time is wasted.

Add to the frustration is that in Missouri, despite what I wrote above, it's not like that "CHRONIC STABLE ADHD" thing is widely known. Sometimes you do this and the pharmacist never heard of it.

Something I've discovered to cut through the BS is to just look up the patient on the PDMP. If they've picked it up, it's in the PDMP. So now it's about a 30 second loss of time instead of several minutes to check. Then even if the pharmacy has the script still in their computer I'll cancel it and just send out a new one cause I don't want to waste time finding out if the pharmacy still has in their computer even though they just told us it's not in there. Several times pharmacies have told patients the 2nd and 3rd month scripts they can't find but when we call them up they told us it was there. WTF is going on there I don't know but it's happened a lot.

I only do a 90-day supply if 1)I've had the patient for several months, usually over 1 year and there was never any funny business. 2) I warn the patient if you lose a 90-day supply YOU WILL NOT GET A REFILL (that usually scares people into never wanting a 90 day supply). I also tell them that if they even consider asking me for a replacement for a lost 90 day supply they ought to just not even do it and look for a new doctor. SERIOUSLY. I am willing to refill an alleged lost 30 day supply if there never was any funny business and I've had the patient for over a year and/or there is proof it was legitimately stolen (e.g. a patient showed me a police report and his insurance report of his place being robbed, and I called the station to confirm with the officer whose name was on the report). 3) And, do not even consider doing a 90 day supply if you're the type of person who occasionally loses things.

Also I would never do a 90-day supply in some clinical contexts. E.g. I used to work in a Medicaid office and I hardly even prescribed stimulants ever. Even people who really had ADHD were so low on the SES that they sometimes had to sell it to get food on the table.

Out of my over 1,000 patients as far as I can tell I believe less than 5 get a 90-day supply.
 
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