MD 90th percentile USML, 12 interviews, but did not match?

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I was looking through my IG, and I noticed that one of those famous IG med student didnot match regardless of her 90th percentile on USMLE and 12 interviews. What could possibly be the reason? Is this even possible!!!??? Her IG handle isn’t @thevibrantmed
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I was looking through my IG, and I noticed that one of those famous IG med student didnot match regardless of her 90th percentile on USMLE and 12 interviews. What could possibly be the reason? Is this even possible!!!??? Her IG handle isn’t @thevibrantmed
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So so so many factors at play. Don’t be discouraged by these posts, just show them some sympathy and stay on your course. This student hopefully will be able to take a research year and try again if they’re that set on Derm, 12 interviews and no match is pretty bonkers, but it does happen.
 
It happens every year unfortunately. The match rate for derm is pretty low when you consider that most of these applicants are extremely self-selecting. I would assume most would easily be able to match at a top program in a non-competitive specialty if they didn't apply derm. They might have had their interviews at really top places.

The match was super weird this year. I knew a person who matched ortho without any publications or AOA and now you have this person not matching derm at all.
 
Derm is not guaranteed for anyone. I’ve seen students with similar stories trying to match ortho, plastics, etc. This is what happens if you don’t have a backup plan. Many parts of the match process are outside your control. You could be a great candidate, but another person has the same grades as you AND a phone call from mom or dad to their friend the PD.


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Derm is not guaranteed for anyone. I’ve seen students with similar stories trying to match ortho, plastics, etc. This is what happens if you don’t have a backup plan. Many parts of the match process are outside your control. You could be a great candidate, but another person has the same grades as you AND a phone call from mom or dad to their friend the PD.


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How does one prepare a backup plan when trying to match these competitive specialties?
I thought it was all in otherwise they might sniff lack of commitment.
 
Can students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.
 
Can students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.
If you really want to do derm you're better off with a research year than trying to jump back in from another specialty
 
Can students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.
You can apply. I dont think its reccomended, but I would love some input from the PDs and attendings.
 
Derm is not guaranteed for anyone. I’ve seen students with similar stories trying to match ortho, plastics, etc. This is what happens if you don’t have a backup plan. Many parts of the match process are outside your control. You could be a great candidate, but another person has the same grades as you AND a phone call from mom or dad to their friend the PD.
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How does one prepare a backup plan when trying to match these competitive specialties?
I thought it was all in otherwise they might sniff lack of commitment.

Can students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.

This.

Even from the perspective of the surgical subspecialties, I've been told its very difficult to dual apply gen surg & a subspecialty because you need to get different letters.
 
This.

Even from the perspective of the surgical subspecialties, I've been told its very difficult to dual apply gen surg & a subspecialty because you need to get different letters.

It’s difficult but not impossible. I did it. Two completely separate personal statements, separate sets of rec letters etc., did not apply/interview at the same hospital for two specialties, kept everything hush hush. I had both Ortho and gensurg projects so hard to tell what I wanted just from looking at CV.


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How does one prepare a backup plan when trying to match these competitive specialties?
I thought it was all in otherwise they might sniff lack of commitment.
Derm and optho require a transitional year, so anecdotally, people have told me their backup was to match the TY, try for a new letter of recommendation and pump out a paper, then apply even more broadly year 2
 
Derm and optho require a transitional year, so anecdotally, people have told me their backup was to match the TY, try for a new letter of recommendation and pump out a paper, then apply even more broadly year 2
Makes sense thanks! You apply Transitional , do you still get to SOAP if you dont match categorical?
 
As an IMG and knowing many other IMGs - I know a bunch of people in this situation. Just this week alone I've talked to three applicants in situations like this all of whom who have had no less than 13 interviews. Scores no lower than 230. Yet they didn't match. I think ultimately it comes down to this. During the few hours you are there - can you make a good enough impression that the people working there can say - "hey, I want to hang out with that guy/girl". can you show your personality. not just how eager you are to learn, or how impressive your resume is. I feel this is where a lot of people falter and are forgotten. This is purely my opinion. take it for a grain of salt.
 
As an IMG and knowing many other IMGs - I know a bunch of people in this situation. Just this week alone I've talked to three applicants in situations like this all of whom who have had no less than 13 interviews. Scores no lower than 230. Yet they didn't match. I think ultimately it comes down to this. During the few hours you are there - can you make a good enough impression that the people working there can say - "hey, I want to hang out with that guy/girl". can you show your personality. not just how eager you are to learn, or how impressive your resume is. I feel this is where a lot of people falter and are forgotten. This is purely my opinion. take it for a grain of salt.

Or...

It could because y'all are IMGs.

No offense dude/dudette... but if y'all aren't applying FM/Psych/IM or TRI at community spots or shiesty locations... you guys aren't getting much unless you know somebody (which even THEN it is still a stretch after y'all are filtered out of the computer due to IMG status).

But I see where you are coming from tho.
 
Absolutely impossible to divine anything from this story other than a 250/AOA is not a shoe-in for derm. It never was, and isn't for other hyper-competitive fields either. Ironically, these numbers probably matter less in competitive fields than others simply because they're so common. When I've interviewed our own applicants, I can honestly say I never even looked at their step scores or grades. I assumed they were already pre-screened and everyone who's taken Step 1 knows how it tells you nothing about how good a resident someone will be.

I have mixed feelings about applying to a backup, but I think everyone applying to a competitive field should at least have a plan. My personal plan was to SOAP into something else as I had an application that would be strong for anything, or possibly a pre-lim followed by second cycle. I didn't consider a research year because my research was already very strong and 5-10 more papers wasn't going to make a difference, but it might for someone who decided late with only 1 or 2 pubs.

The other consideration in someone with 12 interviews and no match is that they may be a very poor interviewer. Most people I've met who are terrible interviewers are also the ones with absolutely no insight into how bad they are.
 
As an IMG and knowing many other IMGs - I know a bunch of people in this situation. Just this week alone I've talked to three applicants in situations like this all of whom who have had no less than 13 interviews. Scores no lower than 230. Yet they didn't match. I think ultimately it comes down to this. During the few hours you are there - can you make a good enough impression that the people working there can say - "hey, I want to hang out with that guy/girl". can you show your personality. not just how eager you are to learn, or how impressive your resume is. I feel this is where a lot of people falter and are forgotten. This is purely my opinion. take it for a grain of salt.
shes not an IMG, shes goes to med school in NYC! thats why I am really shocked. Maybe her interviewing skills are really bad??

What other variables can contribute to not matching? this is scary
 
shes not an IMG, shes goes to med school in NYC! thats why I am really shocked. Maybe her interviewing skills are really bad??

What other variables can contribute to not matching? this is scary
without knowing the particulars of her app it is difficult to say. Matching derm is no certainty even with an obscene step 1 score.
 
I will be starting med school this August, what are your suggestions for someone whose mind set on a competitive specialty such as ortho, gen surgery, or neurosurgery? Should I start looking for research opportunity in the field from day 1? How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not? Thanks
 
I will be starting med school this August, what are your suggestions for someone whose mind set on a competitive specialty such as ortho, gen surgery, or neurosurgery? Should I start looking for research opportunity in the field from day 1? How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not? Thanks
Get a ton of research, massacre step 1/2 and honor your rotations.
 
shes not an IMG, shes goes to med school in NYC! thats why I am really shocked. Maybe her interviewing skills are really bad??

What other variables can contribute to not matching? this is scary

I think it might be her interviewing skills. She posted a few video responses on IG and it was really uncomfortable/awkward for me to watch almost cringy. But it could also be the fact that she's talking into a camera/phone and not to a person which could have also been making it awkward.
 
It’s difficult but not impossible. I did it. Two completely separate personal statements, separate sets of rec letters etc., did not apply/interview at the same hospital for two specialties, kept everything hush hush. I had both Ortho and gensurg projects so hard to tell what I wanted just from looking at CV.


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How the hell did you find time to get multiple letters?
 
I will be starting med school this August, what are your suggestions for someone whose mind set on a competitive specialty such as ortho, gen surgery, or neurosurgery? Should I start looking for research opportunity in the field from day 1? How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not? Thanks

gen surgery is not extremely competitive. You can match GS with 220+ step1 and some research as long as you have no red flags.
 
12 interviews and no match, while no guarantee especially for derm, could point to some sort of underlying personality issue. Who knows. Sucky situation, and tough to tell. Hopefully she regroups, strengthens her app, and reapplies.
 
How the hell did you find time to get multiple letters?

Lots of extra work on rotations, weekends, projects. Started asking people early and often. I was (mistakenly) told I wasn’t a great ortho candidate, and I was terrified of the “scramble.” So I did everything in my power to match somewhere.


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if she'd had research, she would have mentioned it, right? its probably that then
 
Lots of extra work on rotations, weekends, projects. Started asking people early and often. I was (mistakenly) told I wasn’t a great ortho candidate, and I was terrified of the “scramble.” So I did everything in my power to match somewhere. Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile

Same. All the work I thought I needed to do just doubled... Sigh...

How do you afford to live if you do a research year?

More loans :banana:
 
She was on a research year. Did she SOAP?

Crazy field nonetheless. Mere mortals like me know my limits and it is not derm.
 
I was looking through my IG, and I noticed that one of those famous IG med student didnot match regardless of her 90th percentile on USMLE and 12 interviews. What could possibly be the reason? Is this even possible!!!??? Her IG handle isn’t @thevibrantmed
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Like the MCAT, a high Step score doesn't make you God's gift to Medicine. The candidate may have interviewed poorly.
 
Derm can be a crapshoot sometimes. I thank the lucky starts everytime i see a story like this, since i am no where near the application she is on paper at least. looking at her instagram, she had the clinical grades (AOA), step score, research year, 12 interviews at solid programs. what's surprising is that she didn't match to her home program that has 6-7 positions at least if i recall.
 
Derm can be a crapshoot sometimes. I thank the lucky starts everytime i see a story like this, since i am no where near the application she is on paper at least. looking at her instagram, she had the clinical grades (AOA), step score, research year, 12 interviews at solid programs. what's surprising is that she didn't match to her home program that has 6-7 positions at least if i recall.
If your home program is not ranking you and it has unfilled spots... thats kinda all you need to know. Probabs a nightmare to work with.
 
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her home program did not go unfilled. ive met her before. shes actually really nice
 
If your home program is not ranking you and it has unfilled spots... thats kinda all you need to know. Probabs a nightmare to work with.

I can’t “like” this post enough. Usually the ones going “but I’m so great, why didn’t I match?” have severe personality/ego/entitlement issues that they are blind to.


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I can’t “like” this post enough. Usually the ones going “but I’m so great, why didn’t I match?” have severe personality/ego/entitlement issues that they are blind to.


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Im inclined to agree with this. It is also possible that someone submitted an unrealistic/short rank list.
 
I think people are being unreasonably harsh with limited information here. Yes, some candidates are good on paper and awkward in real life which can hurt people during interview season. (That's also why I tell my medical students to be strategic about aways, because they can definitely hurt some people).

But in a competitive field, some people fall through the cracks every year through no major fault of their own. Step 1 250s with AOA and a research year is a standard derm application. It checks all the boxes but doesn't stand out from the pack. When a program interviews 20 or 30 people for each residency slot and they're all similar on paper, it's often the ones with a hook that stand out (a unique hobby, interesting backstory, LoR from a well connected faculty member).

Every year I see people who are stellar on paper and fine (not great, but normal enough) during interviews who end up slipping on rank lists because in a sea of superstar applicants, they have nothing unique that makes them really stand out in people's minds. They may not be great extroverted interviewees, but a failure to match into certain fields doesn't always indicate a poor interviewee or a personality defect. Sometimes it's a little too easy to pile onto someone's misfortune when you're sitting miles away.
 
I think people are being unreasonably harsh with limited information here. Yes, some candidates are good on paper and awkward in real life which can hurt people during interview season. (That's also why I tell my medical students to be strategic about aways, because they can definitely hurt some people).

But in a competitive field, some people fall through the cracks every year through no major fault of their own. Step 1 250s with AOA and a research year is a standard derm application. It checks all the boxes but doesn't stand out from the pack. When a program interviews 20 or 30 people for each residency slot and they're all similar on paper, it's often the ones with a hook that stand out (a unique hobby, interesting backstory, LoR from a well connected faculty member).

Every year I see people who are stellar on paper and fine (not great, but normal enough) during interviews who end up slipping on rank lists because in a sea of superstar applicants, they have nothing unique that makes them really stand out in people's minds. They may not be great extroverted interviewees, but a failure to match into certain fields doesn't always indicate a poor interviewee or a personality defect. Sometimes it's a little too easy to pile onto someone's misfortune when you're sitting miles away.

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I think people are being unreasonably harsh with limited information here. Yes, some candidates are good on paper and awkward in real life which can hurt people during interview season. (That's also why I tell my medical students to be strategic about aways, because they can definitely hurt some people).

But in a competitive field, some people fall through the cracks every year through no major fault of their own. Step 1 250s with AOA and a research year is a standard derm application. It checks all the boxes but doesn't stand out from the pack. When a program interviews 20 or 30 people for each residency slot and they're all similar on paper, it's often the ones with a hook that stand out (a unique hobby, interesting backstory, LoR from a well connected faculty member).

Every year I see people who are stellar on paper and fine (not great, but normal enough) during interviews who end up slipping on rank lists because in a sea of superstar applicants, they have nothing unique that makes them really stand out in people's minds. They may not be great extroverted interviewees, but a failure to match into certain fields doesn't always indicate a poor interviewee or a personality defect. Sometimes it's a little too easy to pile onto someone's misfortune when you're sitting miles away.

Agree completely. I matched derm this year, had a moderate amount of interviews, but matched near the bottom of my rank list. I easily could have been one of the people who fell through the cracks. I had another friend who was doing Ortho, AOA, >10 interviews at really strong places who ended up not matching. Nothing is guaranteed in these competitive fields when virtually everyone looks the same on paper, even if you're solid at the interview.
 
Derm is almost like a crap shoot. I know very strong candidates who did not match the first time but ultimately/fortunately found a derm position the following year.
 
It’s difficult but not impossible. I did it. Two completely separate personal statements, separate sets of rec letters etc., did not apply/interview at the same hospital for two specialties, kept everything hush hush. I had both Ortho and gensurg projects so hard to tell what I wanted just from looking at CV.


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Did your home programs know you were dual applying ? Did it reduce your ability to interview at more places in one field?Do you have any other advice for people trying to do the same?
 
Most people I've met who are terrible interviewers are also the ones with absolutely no insight into how bad they are.

It never ceases to amaze me how true this is. I worked with a few people who failed their PE (the DO CS exam) and it became clear almost instantly why they failed. People grossly overestimate their social/interview skills to the point that it's frequently truly mind-boggling.

How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not?

Google them and see how often their name pops up. Talk to other people in the lab or other students. Or you know, just ask the PI.

what's surprising is that she didn't match to her home program that has 6-7 positions at least if i recall.
her home program did not go unfilled. ive met her before. shes actually really nice

The first statement tells me either she's either got personality problems, she just didn't stand out enough in a positive way, or there were just too many strong applicants at her school.

Your second statement doesn't mean she doesn't have problems on the unit, but even if she is adequate, she may not stand out as particularly impressive. Which can kill an applicant in competitive fields or at elite programs.
 
Did your home programs know you were dual applying ? Did it reduce your ability to interview at more places in one field?Do you have any other advice for people trying to do the same?

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Make sure you’re okay with doing your backup specialty the rest of your life if it comes to that.


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She goes to Einstein and she did a year of research at Cornell. It's very surprising that she didnt match
 
The other consideration in someone with 12 interviews and no match is that they may be a very poor interviewer. Most people I've met who are terrible interviewers are also the ones with absolutely no insight into how bad they are.

This. I know her. Strong personality that can come off as fake paired with just not being very interesting. I'm sure she will look to improve on this in the coming year prior to reapplying. (This is not meant to be offensive, we all have flaws that we work on).

Also this is me personally...super obnoxious IGs are such a turn off for me. Bumped into a lot of people who feel the same way. I know she started her public IG as a resume booster but idk... :bored:
 
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I was extremely surprised about a couple people in my class who didn't match this year. In particular, one guy who applied ortho with >265 step 1, tons of research, and 17 ortho interviews at great programs. He is not socially inept (although definitely a bro) and I would be surprised if he interviewed poorly. Maybe there's a red flag I don't know about, but our non-matched folks were genuinely shockers to me.
 
Oh, then that's a little more surprising. Hmm, don't know what happened then.

It sounded like it was a combination of not applying/interviewing broadly and being selective with ranking and previously mentioned issues. I'm sure there is more to the story that we don't know.
 
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This. I know her. Strong personality that can come off as fake paired with just not being very interesting. I'm sure she will look to improve on this in the coming year prior to reapplying. (This is not meant to be offensive, we all have flaws that we work on).

Also this is me personally...super obnoxious IGs are such a turn off for me. Bumped into a lot of people who feel the same way. I know she started her public IG as a resume booster but idk... :bored:

If she openly mentioned that she has an IG account that's directly related to her medical life, then that alone could be something that would turn off PDs and make them not want her there. Look at the s*** storm people like Eugene Gu have caused for their residency programs by mixing social media and politics with their medical career. Idk what her instagram is like, but it certainly could have had an impact on how she was ranked if it was easy to look up and wasn't completely professional.
 
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