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So so so many factors at play. Don’t be discouraged by these posts, just show them some sympathy and stay on your course. This student hopefully will be able to take a research year and try again if they’re that set on Derm, 12 interviews and no match is pretty bonkers, but it does happen.I was looking through my IG, and I noticed that one of those famous IG med student didnot match regardless of her 90th percentile on USMLE and 12 interviews. What could possibly be the reason? Is this even possible!!!??? Her IG handle isn’t @thevibrantmed
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How does one prepare a backup plan when trying to match these competitive specialties?Derm is not guaranteed for anyone. I’ve seen students with similar stories trying to match ortho, plastics, etc. This is what happens if you don’t have a backup plan. Many parts of the match process are outside your control. You could be a great candidate, but another person has the same grades as you AND a phone call from mom or dad to their friend the PD.
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If you really want to do derm you're better off with a research year than trying to jump back in from another specialtyCan students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.
You can apply. I dont think its reccomended, but I would love some input from the PDs and attendings.Can students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.
Derm is not guaranteed for anyone. I’ve seen students with similar stories trying to match ortho, plastics, etc. This is what happens if you don’t have a backup plan. Many parts of the match process are outside your control. You could be a great candidate, but another person has the same grades as you AND a phone call from mom or dad to their friend the PD.
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How does one prepare a backup plan when trying to match these competitive specialties?
I thought it was all in otherwise they might sniff lack of commitment.
Can students apply to multiple specialties? Why would someone apply ONLY to Derm? I think students should always apply to multiple specialities as backup.
This.
Even from the perspective of the surgical subspecialties, I've been told its very difficult to dual apply gen surg & a subspecialty because you need to get different letters.
Derm and optho require a transitional year, so anecdotally, people have told me their backup was to match the TY, try for a new letter of recommendation and pump out a paper, then apply even more broadly year 2How does one prepare a backup plan when trying to match these competitive specialties?
I thought it was all in otherwise they might sniff lack of commitment.
Makes sense thanks! You apply Transitional , do you still get to SOAP if you dont match categorical?Derm and optho require a transitional year, so anecdotally, people have told me their backup was to match the TY, try for a new letter of recommendation and pump out a paper, then apply even more broadly year 2
As an IMG and knowing many other IMGs - I know a bunch of people in this situation. Just this week alone I've talked to three applicants in situations like this all of whom who have had no less than 13 interviews. Scores no lower than 230. Yet they didn't match. I think ultimately it comes down to this. During the few hours you are there - can you make a good enough impression that the people working there can say - "hey, I want to hang out with that guy/girl". can you show your personality. not just how eager you are to learn, or how impressive your resume is. I feel this is where a lot of people falter and are forgotten. This is purely my opinion. take it for a grain of salt.
shes not an IMG, shes goes to med school in NYC! thats why I am really shocked. Maybe her interviewing skills are really bad??As an IMG and knowing many other IMGs - I know a bunch of people in this situation. Just this week alone I've talked to three applicants in situations like this all of whom who have had no less than 13 interviews. Scores no lower than 230. Yet they didn't match. I think ultimately it comes down to this. During the few hours you are there - can you make a good enough impression that the people working there can say - "hey, I want to hang out with that guy/girl". can you show your personality. not just how eager you are to learn, or how impressive your resume is. I feel this is where a lot of people falter and are forgotten. This is purely my opinion. take it for a grain of salt.
without knowing the particulars of her app it is difficult to say. Matching derm is no certainty even with an obscene step 1 score.shes not an IMG, shes goes to med school in NYC! thats why I am really shocked. Maybe her interviewing skills are really bad??
What other variables can contribute to not matching? this is scary
Get a ton of research, massacre step 1/2 and honor your rotations.I will be starting med school this August, what are your suggestions for someone whose mind set on a competitive specialty such as ortho, gen surgery, or neurosurgery? Should I start looking for research opportunity in the field from day 1? How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not? Thanks
shes not an IMG, shes goes to med school in NYC! thats why I am really shocked. Maybe her interviewing skills are really bad??
What other variables can contribute to not matching? this is scary
It’s difficult but not impossible. I did it. Two completely separate personal statements, separate sets of rec letters etc., did not apply/interview at the same hospital for two specialties, kept everything hush hush. I had both Ortho and gensurg projects so hard to tell what I wanted just from looking at CV.
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I will be starting med school this August, what are your suggestions for someone whose mind set on a competitive specialty such as ortho, gen surgery, or neurosurgery? Should I start looking for research opportunity in the field from day 1? How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not? Thanks
How the hell did you find time to get multiple letters?
Lots of extra work on rotations, weekends, projects. Started asking people early and often. I was (mistakenly) told I wasn’t a great ortho candidate, and I was terrified of the “scramble.” So I did everything in my power to match somewhere. Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
How do you afford to live if you do a research year?
Like the MCAT, a high Step score doesn't make you God's gift to Medicine. The candidate may have interviewed poorly.I was looking through my IG, and I noticed that one of those famous IG med student didnot match regardless of her 90th percentile on USMLE and 12 interviews. What could possibly be the reason? Is this even possible!!!??? Her IG handle isn’t @thevibrantmed
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Derm can be a crapshoot sometimes. I thank the lucky starts everytime i see a story like this, since i am no where near the application she is on paper at least. looking at her instagram, she had the clinical grades (AOA), step score, research year, 12 interviews at solid programs. what's surprising is that she didn't match to her home program that has 6-7 positions at least if i recall.
Ahh I misunderstood and retract my previous statement.her home program did not go unfilled. ive met her before. shes actually really nice
If your home program is not ranking you and it has unfilled spots... thats kinda all you need to know. Probabs a nightmare to work with.
I can’t “like” this post enough. Usually the ones going “but I’m so great, why didn’t I match?” have severe personality/ego/entitlement issues that they are blind to.
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I think people are being unreasonably harsh with limited information here. Yes, some candidates are good on paper and awkward in real life which can hurt people during interview season. (That's also why I tell my medical students to be strategic about aways, because they can definitely hurt some people).
But in a competitive field, some people fall through the cracks every year through no major fault of their own. Step 1 250s with AOA and a research year is a standard derm application. It checks all the boxes but doesn't stand out from the pack. When a program interviews 20 or 30 people for each residency slot and they're all similar on paper, it's often the ones with a hook that stand out (a unique hobby, interesting backstory, LoR from a well connected faculty member).
Every year I see people who are stellar on paper and fine (not great, but normal enough) during interviews who end up slipping on rank lists because in a sea of superstar applicants, they have nothing unique that makes them really stand out in people's minds. They may not be great extroverted interviewees, but a failure to match into certain fields doesn't always indicate a poor interviewee or a personality defect. Sometimes it's a little too easy to pile onto someone's misfortune when you're sitting miles away.
I think people are being unreasonably harsh with limited information here. Yes, some candidates are good on paper and awkward in real life which can hurt people during interview season. (That's also why I tell my medical students to be strategic about aways, because they can definitely hurt some people).
But in a competitive field, some people fall through the cracks every year through no major fault of their own. Step 1 250s with AOA and a research year is a standard derm application. It checks all the boxes but doesn't stand out from the pack. When a program interviews 20 or 30 people for each residency slot and they're all similar on paper, it's often the ones with a hook that stand out (a unique hobby, interesting backstory, LoR from a well connected faculty member).
Every year I see people who are stellar on paper and fine (not great, but normal enough) during interviews who end up slipping on rank lists because in a sea of superstar applicants, they have nothing unique that makes them really stand out in people's minds. They may not be great extroverted interviewees, but a failure to match into certain fields doesn't always indicate a poor interviewee or a personality defect. Sometimes it's a little too easy to pile onto someone's misfortune when you're sitting miles away.
Did your home programs know you were dual applying ? Did it reduce your ability to interview at more places in one field?Do you have any other advice for people trying to do the same?It’s difficult but not impossible. I did it. Two completely separate personal statements, separate sets of rec letters etc., did not apply/interview at the same hospital for two specialties, kept everything hush hush. I had both Ortho and gensurg projects so hard to tell what I wanted just from looking at CV.
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Most people I've met who are terrible interviewers are also the ones with absolutely no insight into how bad they are.
How can you tell if the PI publishes plenty of papers or not?
what's surprising is that she didn't match to her home program that has 6-7 positions at least if i recall.
her home program did not go unfilled. ive met her before. shes actually really nice
Did your home programs know you were dual applying ? Did it reduce your ability to interview at more places in one field?Do you have any other advice for people trying to do the same?
The other consideration in someone with 12 interviews and no match is that they may be a very poor interviewer. Most people I've met who are terrible interviewers are also the ones with absolutely no insight into how bad they are.
She goes to Einstein and she did a year of research at Cornell. It's very surprising that she didnt match
Oh, then that's a little more surprising. Hmm, don't know what happened then.
This. I know her. Strong personality that can come off as fake paired with just not being very interesting. I'm sure she will look to improve on this in the coming year prior to reapplying. (This is not meant to be offensive, we all have flaws that we work on).
Also this is me personally...super obnoxious IGs are such a turn off for me. Bumped into a lot of people who feel the same way. I know she started her public IG as a resume booster but idk...![]()