A 16 year old taking Intensive organic Chem?

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Hello all, I need urgent advice. For this summer I was accepted into the Harvard secondary school and I was looking at their courses and ran across intensive organic chem. I am a sophomore in High school but I have taken Ap chem and Ap bio this year. I think I am prepared to take this course, can I get any opinions and thoughts of pre med or med students?
 
Organic chemistry has very few parallels to either general chemistry or introductory biology.

If you're ready to take a difficult course where you're going to be forced to learn 99% new information, take the class. Otherwise, don't take the class.

In reality, the fact that you're 16 has little to no bearing on whether or not you should take the class. If you feel ready, take it. If you don't, don't.
 
Organic chemistry has very few parallels to either general chemistry or introductory biology.

If you're ready to take a difficult course where you're going to be forced to learn 99% new information, take the class. Otherwise, don't take the class.

In reality, the fact that you're 16 has little to no bearing on whether or not you should take the class. If you feel ready, take it. If you don't, don't.

I am under the impression that ap chem and bio are equal to a first year introductory college course for the subjects. Isnt a requirement to organic chem 1 year of introductory biology and chemistry? So I should be prepared right? I am confused by what you mean by 99% is new material
 
I am under the impression that ap chem and bio are equal to a first year introductory college course for the subjects. Isnt a requirement to organic chem 1 year of introductory biology and chemistry? So I should be prepared right? I am confused by what you mean by 99% is new material

The requirement is more or less there because those courses train you to think like a freshman undergrad. In other words, they prepare you by giving you skills like writing lab reports or solving college-level problems. The contents, however, have minimal overlap. Hence the "99% new material".
 
Dude, go enjoy your life, unless your aim is to get into med school at a young age.


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I took an intro organic chem class in high school. I went to a school that focused on biosciences and medicine though so I was use to taking things like microbio, chem, and physiology. I may have not gotten an A in high school but I sure did I’m college. Learning that stuff early helps later on.
 
I know many people are saying organic chem is a nightmare but this is something I HAVE to do. Becoming a orthopedic surgeon is a dream o mine
 
Also taking this class will help solve alot of questions I have about biology, I want to create a company in the future that allows us to be properl edited to be free of disease without any side effects
 
Also taking this class will help solve alot of questions I have about biology, I want to create a company in the future that allows us to be properl edited to be free of disease without any side effects

So I am not sure where you are getting this idea but a basic orgo class is not really going to help with gene editing. Biochem might. Advanced genetics and biotech classes might. But not orgo directly. Also, I am pretty sure some work recently came out that a lot of people have immune responses to CRISPR so that throws a monkey wrench in that plan. Oh, and, germline gene editing is overwhelmed with ethical complications.

But anyway, ignoring all of those things, if you are going to be a practicing ortho surgeon then you will not be having the time to work on gene editing. You might be able to be a partner in a company that works on that type of thing but I think you would just be a financial source and not have any contact with the development of the technology in that case. You might be able to work on that type of stuff if you pursue a different specialty and try to work in a highly academic setting (big research school with fancy hospital). Maybe MD/PhD would help with that too.

I know a lot of what I said may have come off as rough or mean. I just think you haven't had the exposure to some of the experiences in medicine and upper level sciences that would allow you to come to these realizations yet and that isn't your fault. You should take the class if you think you are ready to put in the work to do well in it. It is a bit of a foreign concept compared to basic bio or inorganic chem classes (which was most of AP Chem if I remember correctly). Aim high and pursue one of those two dreams you posted about.
 
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So I am not sure where you are getting this idea but a basic orgo class is not really going to help with gene editing. Biochem might. Advanced genetics and biotech classes might. But not orgo directly. Also, I am pretty sure some work recently came out that a lot of people have immune responses to CRISPR so that throws a monkey wrench in that plan. Oh, and, germline gene editing is overwhelmed with ethical complications.

But anyway, ignoring all of those things, if you are going to be a practicing ortho surgeon then you will not be having the time to work on gene editing. You might be able to be a partner in a company that works on that type of thing but I think you would just be a financial source and not have any contact with the development of the technology in that case. You might be able to work on that type of stuff if you pursue a different specialty and try to work in a highly academic setting (big research school with fancy hospital). Maybe MD/PhD would help with that too.

I know a lot of what I said may have come off as rough or mean. I just think you haven't had the exposure to some of the experiences in medicine and upper level sciences that would allow you to come to these realizations yet and that isn't your fault. You should take the class if you think you are ready to put in the work to do well in it. It is a bit of a foreign concept compared to basic bio or inorganic chem classes (which was most of AP Chem if I remember correctly). Aim high and pursue one of those two dreams you posted about.
Nothing you have said as come off as offensive, I need all the advice I can get. There is no biochem course available, I was wondering if this was close to that. Also not everyone will have an immune response to crispr
 
Hello all, I need urgent advice. For this summer I was accepted into the Harvard secondary school and I was looking at their courses and ran across intensive organic chem. I am a sophomore in High school but I have taken Ap chem and Ap bio this year. I think I am prepared to take this course, can I get any opinions and thoughts of pre med or med students?
For what it's worth: I started intensive O'Chem one summer (not at Harvard but somewhere equally rigorous) and got probably the lowest grade in the class, and dropped out after the first segment. I took it again that fall at a normal pace and got the highest grade in the class. It's a lot of material and the pace of the intensive course is unforgiving - I fell behind in the first week and could never catch up. I also had a fairly week Gen Chem background. I noticed that students with strong Gen Chem backgrounds did pretty well. Also if you're good at absorbing material without reading every word of the textbook, that will help. I usually read slowly and methodically, and study concepts until the material "clicks." No time for that in the intensive course though. You have to be more comfortable with skimming and memorizing, as much as every O'Chem instructor will try to cajole you not to memorize.
 
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