a "good" note

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ok, so u all talk about writing a good note to make it easier for residents and thus, another step in the right direction for a good eval.

I just started IM--my first rotation-- so can someone elaborate on what's a GOOD note. I understand that it should be concise and thorough, but beyond that??

Also, what do you guys usually include in your physical exam findings on an avg person who maybe oly has an abnormal CVS (CHF exacerbation with rhales on exam only)? How can you be through, and what general thigns do you all include? Like, what do you guys write, for say the rest of the exam which is normal--what are some of the general thigns to write? Sorry for the fragmented thoughts. Appreciate the comments.
 
my notes on internal med looked something like this:

S: here i would write any complaints the patient has today. i also include here how the patient's night went, any issues that arose overnight per nursing staff. i use this space to give a general description of how the patient is doing at the present time. an overview if you will

O: this has the PE and labs
vitals: i usually write BP, HR, T, I/O, SaO2, FIO2, WT(important for people on lasix)
gen: 90% of the time this is just NAD for no acute distress
skin:
HEENT: i don't do this every time, just on an admit H&P
neck: this is another thing i usually do on admit only
pulm: i do this every day
cardio: every day as well
abd: every day
ext: every day, very important for CHF peripheral edema, etc.
neuro: i only do this on admit, unless it's a CVA patient or TIA patient
labs: CBC, CMP, etc whatever was ordered yesterday i also include radiological data here

A/P: you can do this separately like A: then P: but i do it together like this:

make sure to include all comorbid conditions.

1. acute CHF exacerbation - continue lasix 40mg IV q8h etc etc
2. s/p CVA 1999
3. nicotine dependence

etc etc.

hope this helps.
 
Always include a solid plan. Residents care about what is going to happen next with this patient with the ultimate goal of discharge in mind.

I's and O's and daily weights are important as are medicine changes. Throw that stuff in the left hand column.
 
HiddenTruth said:
ok, so u all talk about writing a good note to make it easier for residents and thus, another step in the right direction for a good eval.

I just started IM--my first rotation-- so can someone elaborate on what's a GOOD note. I understand that it should be concise and thorough, but beyond that??

Also, what do you guys usually include in your physical exam findings on an avg person who maybe oly has an abnormal CVS (CHF exacerbation with rhales on exam only)? How can you be through, and what general thigns do you all include? Like, what do you guys write, for say the rest of the exam which is normal--what are some of the general thigns to write? Sorry for the fragmented thoughts. Appreciate the comments.

The best notes that a student (or anyone, for that matter) can write are:
--Approrpriately thorough yet concise
--Easily readable (good handwriting goes a long way...)
--Include an accurate, up to date "summary" statement (the assessment part of your note)--OR, if you're going to write the A/P together instead of A then P, includes an assessment of each problem, followed by the plan. Each format works better for different kinds of patients. Either way the assessment piece of the note is important.
--Has a clearly understandable plan.
--Acknowledges the imput received from subspecialty teams
(i.e. 1. ID😛t continues to have spiking fevers at night with negative blood cultures and negative oncologic w/u to date. ID consulted--appreciate imput. Will send labs x, y, and z per their recommendations and await results.) Or something like that. You get the picture.
--Includes trends (for lab values, weights, etc), instead of just that day's values, if appropriate. If you've been following your pt's weight because they're volume overloaded in CHF and up 10 kg from their last hospitalization, the daily I/O and the past few day's weights are invaluable information to have in a note (and on rounds!). Likewise with labs. Any lab that you're actively following on a daily basis and that you're adjusting meds for (electrolytes for example) deserves a mention of at least the past few values. Isolated lab values, without context, don't tell you much in these patients.
--Includes "dispo" as the last problem on the A/P. Every pt needs a plan to get them out of the hospital!

There is a certain language used in writing notes that you'll pick up on as you move through various 3rd year rotations. I'd encourage you to look through your patient's charts (or other patients on your team) and note how others write their notes. Read residents' and attendings' notes to get a feel for the language they use to describe their patients.

Certainly some patients' notes require in-depth thought and analysis and thus writing, but others don't, and you'll get a feel for that too.

For example, if you're following a CF patient who's in the hospital for a clean out with IV antibiotics, you note on day #2 of hospitalization might say something like this:

24 y/o male w/CF, pancreatic insufficiency w/chronic malabsorbtion and IDDM, admitted with recent increase in productive cough and drop in PFTs, here for IV antibiotic therapy, currently day #2/14, doing well.
1. FEN: H/o pancreatic insufficiency as manifestation of CF. No current symptoms of malabsorbtion. Continue pancreatic enzymes 6-7 tabs with meals and 3-4 tabs with snacks.
2. Pulm: H/o CF diagnosed at 3 years of age with multiple hospitalizations for IV antibiotics. Last PFTs show declining pulmonary function. Continue pulmozyme nebs, chest PT, and antibiotics. Check PFTs next week per pulmonary recs.
3. ID: X bacteria grown from sputum and sensitive to current antibiotic regimen of X, Y, and Z. Currently day #2/14 of IV antibiotics. Follow appropriate peak and trough levels and adjust doses as indicated.
4. Endo: H/o IDDM secondary to CF. Current insulin regimen includes Lantus 20 units qhs and regular insulin SS with meals. Continue checking BS qam, qhs, and with meals.
5. Dispo: Pending clinical improvement. Anticipate discharge after 14 day course of abx.


By day #10 of this pt's hospitalization, your note is probably going to look more like this:

24 y/o male w/CF admitted for IV abx, doing well w/improving PFTs and resolving cough.
1. FEN: pancreatic insuff, cont. pancreatic enzymes
2. Pulm: no new cough, PFTs improved from admit, cont pulmozyme, chest PT
3. ID: day #10/14 of abx, all levels appropriate, cont for 14 day course
4. Endo: BS 100s-120s, continue current insulin regimen
5. Dispo: anticipate d/c after compleing day #14/14 of abx.

You get what I mean.

Having said all that, I still think it's more important for med students to learn how to do good patient presentations that to write stellar notes, and the note is best used as a good way to sort through your thinking on a patient and thus help you give better presentations. A good goal for your first rotation on Internal Medicine should be to learn how to present each of your patients in 4 ways (times are approx):
--the initial 10-15 minute admit h&p
--the 5 minute daily presentation on rounds, starting with a 10-15 second patient summary statement
--the 1-2 minute patient summary for calling consults

If you can do this well, I don't care what kind of notes you write! 😀

The best med student presenters are also usually the best listeners--because they've spent a lot of time learning from those around them by listening to how they present. And they can adapt their presentation quickly depending on who they're presenting to--because like it or not, different attendings like things done in different ways. Good listeners pick up on this quickly and adapt appropriately.

Anyways, good luck to you! :luck:
 
This is goign to be part of the learning process. All the advice given here is really good, but you have to realize that as a med student, you note should include MORE information than you think normal. And be sure that it IS normal before you write it. It takes time to learn which disease requires what systems..

For example in a patient with CHF and only rales? probably NOT CHF if the rest of the exam is normal... what about pitting edema? JVD? Adn what about someone who is short of breath with minimal edema but no rales and a history of CHF?

As a med student, part of your learning process is to try and figure out what clinical pictures go with what diseases. So at this point, you should really cover the MAJOR systems:

Gen:
HEENT:
Neck:
CV:
Pulm:
Abd:
EXT:
Nuero:

These can be brief. but you should cover them all...
 
Every specialty has it's own twist on how to write a note. Best thing to do is to come in early on your first day and make a template from the notes written in the previous few days by the students who have just rotated off before you. At the end of the rotation they should be well trained and broken in. Make their end point your starting point. 😉
 
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