A helpful quote from the DSM-5 for tomorrow

[PsyDr]

"An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above."

Good luck everyone.

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[Sanman]

It is days like these that I think it is all because we got the pledge of allegiance wrong. "One nation under dog" would have led to a bit more unity.

Who can be angry united under this?

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

It is days like these that I think it is all because we got the pledge of allegiance wrong. "One nation under dog" would have led to a bit more unity.

Who can be angry united under this?

Doggo has my vote...

 

[psych.meout]

Dogs would make better leaders. By a lot.

 

[psyduckies]

Ironically, a small CA town has a dog as mayor and the drama surrounding it with the locals is surprising. Humans gonna human

 

[Sanman]

Ironically, a small CA town has a dog as mayor and the drama surrounding it with the locals is surprising. Humans gonna human

If this was Idyllwild, CA, I just looked it up. Seems rife with corruption. He has his cousins as deputy mayor and now one of the cousins is mayor. I hear that Citizens for the Betterment of Cats has filed a grievance and is demanding a recount of the most recent election results.

 

[cara susanna]

I should have taken today off

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

I should have taken today off

Tomorrow will probably be worse...

 

[Sanman]

I should have taken today off

On the bright side, those stupid election calls should stop.

 

[cara susanna]

Tomorrow will probably be worse...

I actually did take tomorrow off

 

[Sanman]

I actually did take tomorrow off

I didn't. However there are a lot of call outs.

 

[psyduckies]

I this was Idyllwild, CA, I just looked it up. Seems rife with corruption. He has his cousins as deputy mayor and now one of the cousins is mayor. I hear that Citizens for the Betterment of Cats has filed a grievance and is demanding a recount of the most recent election results.

Yes it is! Mayor Max (I think we’re on iteration 4 or 5). It originally started as a way to get adoption stuff going (with original Mayor Max I) but it’s been sketchy according to towns folk 😂 there were stickers saying Mayor Max 3 “coming soon” before the second one ever died. He doesn’t even live in Idyllwild! They want the firehouse Dalmatian to become mayor. It is quite the controversy

 

[docloufan]

"An expectable or culturally approved response to a common stressor or loss, such as the death of a loved one, is not a mental disorder. Socially deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) and conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are not mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict results from a dysfunction in the individual, as described above."

Good luck everyone.

There is subset of people that are so alienated from family, friends, and society that their beliefs morph into delusion(s) and then clinically bizarre delusion. Obviously, there are alot of schizo probands in there but in cannot account for this degree of madness in the US populous, I don't think.

I really do think many people are just dumb (idiots, rather). Most people vote on false assumptions/facts and inflated/mistaken beliefs of what our president is really able to control. And yes, if you think a person who has done and said what Donald Trump has said over the years is deserving of the highest office in the developed world...the burden is now YOU to prove to ME that you are not trash or mentally ill.

 

[futureapppsy2]

I should have taken today off

Honestly, I was telling my friend about your "take the day off after the election" strategy, admiringly!

 

[Sanman]

There is subset of people that are so alienated from family, friends, and society that their beliefs morph into delusion(s) and then clinically bizarre delusion. Obviously, there are alot of schizo probands in there but in cannot account for this degree of madness in the US populous, I don't think.

I really do think many people are just dumb (idiots, rather). Most people vote on false assumptions/facts and inflated/mistaken beliefs of what our president is really able to control. And yes, if you think a person who has done and said what Donald Trump has said over the years is deserving of the highest office in the developed world...the burden is now YOU to prove to ME that you are not trash or mentally ill.

I'm not a Trump fan at all, but there are legitimate reasons to vote for the guy. Based on reporting tonight, about 50 percent of the country disagrees with you on the bolded. That does not make it aberrant behavior.

 

[jdawg2017]

I actually did take tomorrow off

I got a lot of flak from my partner, friends, and co-workers for taking this week off except Monday. To be fair, I have a professional development workshop Thursday and Friday but I knew I wasn’t going to be in a good headspace yesterday and today… hopefully the workshop will be a nice distraction.

I know we made it through 4 years of Trump already, but this time around feels especially disappointing.

 

[WisNeuro]

I'm not a Trump fan at all, but there are legitimate reasons to vote for the guy. Based on reporting tonight, about 50 percent of the country disagrees with you on the bolded. That does not make it aberrant behavior.

Always in interesting seat in the middle for observation. This election was as much about self-inflicted wounds by the left as much as it was people agreeing with Trump on the right.

 

[docloufan]

I'm not a Trump fan at all, but there are legitimate reasons to vote for the guy. Based on reporting tonight, about 50 percent of the country disagrees with you on the bolded. That does not make it aberrant behavior.

100% wrong.

 

[WisNeuro]

100% wrong.

This is why the left loses winnable elections. Refusal to accept nuanced voting behavior and condescension towards the people they actually need to win over.

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

This is why the left loses winnable elections. Refusal to accept nuanced voting behavior and condescension towards the people they actually need to win over.

I also find it fascinating that--under this viewpoint--the majority of the population is considered to be suffering from severe (even 'psychotic') mental illness as a condition yet are not entitled to any empathy/sympathy from mental health professionals but, rather, scorn, shame, and insults for being 'stupid' and 'immoral.' Which is it? Are they 'crazy' (and, thus, worthy of our sympathy/help) or are they simply 'bad people' (and, thus, deserving of our scorn/insults)?

The ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem (ad nauseum) song to bash people who disagree politically is getting pretty stale and threadbare as an 'argument' at this point.

 

[WisNeuro]

I also find it fascinating that--under this viewpoint--the majority of the population is considered to be suffering from severe (even 'psychotic') mental illness as a condition yet are not entitled to any empathy/sympathy from mental health professionals but, rather, scorn, shame, and insults for being 'stupid' and 'immoral.' Which is it? Are they 'crazy' (and, thus, worthy of our sympathy/help) or are they simply 'bad people' (and, thus, deserving of our scorn/insults)?

The ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem (ad nauseum) song to bash people who disagree politically is getting pretty stale and threadbare as an 'argument' at this point.

The hypocrisy of lumping people into a binary box based on one nuanced characteristic 🙂

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

The hypocrisy of lumping people into a binary box based on one nuanced characteristic 🙂

And failing to satisfy the most rudimentary requirements of an argument (that of 'non-contradiction').

 

[WisNeuro]

For the record, I didn't vote for Cheetoh Jesus, but remain wholly unsurprised at the results.

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

This is why I love this board.

 

[Sanman]

For the record, I didn't vote for Cheetoh Jesus, but remain wholly unsurprised at the results.

I mean it is fall. How can we be surprised that America is orange again...like a pumpkin spice latte

 

[BuckeyeLove]

I didn't vote for dude either, but can we honestly be surprised? Dems did this to themselves. Have to wait 4 years for Shapiro or Newsom now, who if they were running yesterday likely would have won. And honestly...I don't think we as a profession TRULY understand or get how bad life is for roughly 50 percent (maybe more?) of the US populace. Most of my colleagues who are still in shock (just like in 2016) from this are in the top 15 percent of yearly income, have no kids, and are still essentially grown up adolescents. While the majority of the country is SERIOUSLY struggling, my colleagues are scoffing and looking down at anyone who might vote differently from them.

 

[Shiori]

Liberals elevated JD Vance in the effort to better understand marginalized Republicans all while he was calling them poor, uneducated, and at fault for their own plight. Then he was elevated by his own party to VP. People do weird, complicated stuff.

 

[cara susanna]

I mean, I think it's okay to say that any VA employees who voted for Trump are... hard to understand.

I personally think that people just want someone to blame and voting behavior reflects that.

 

[futureapppsy2]

This is why the left loses winnable elections. Refusal to accept nuanced voting behavior and condescension towards the people they actually need to win over.

To be fair, I think the Democrats ran a very different campaign this year than 2016—much more focused on policies than identities and much less focused on Trump and his supporters.

 

[cara susanna]

I don't think the Democrats did anything wrong this time around. I think people just like what Trump is selling, and that's all there is to it. Populism gonna... populist.

 

[docloufan]

This is why the left loses winnable elections. Refusal to accept nuanced voting behavior and condescension towards the people they actually need to win over.

some things are very black and white. absolute trash.

 

[Sanman]

I don't think the Democrats did anything wrong this time around. I think people just like what Trump is selling, and that's all there is to it. Populism gonna... populist.

You mean aside from switching candidates mid-election season?

 

[WisNeuro]

some things are very black and white. absolute trash.

Welcome to being part of the problem and outcome you are decrying.

 

[WisNeuro]

To be fair, I think the Democrats ran a very different campaign this year than 2016—much more focused on policies than identities and much less focused on Trump and his supporters.

Different, yes, but not in any effective way. Hard to believe that they looked at progressive primary losses earlier this year and widespread DEI backlash and thought doubling down on progressives and essentially telling moderates to pound sand was a good idea. Simply put, the left, time and time again, thinks that being "right" is more important than being effective.

 

[R. Matey]

Different, yes, but not in any effective way. Hard to believe that they looked at progressive primary losses earlier this year and widespread DEI backlash and thought doubling down on progressives and essentially telling moderates to pound sand was a good idea. Simply put, the left, time and time again, thinks that being "right" is more important than being effective.

Also, trotting out elites to explain to the unwashed masses about how the economy is actually great even though they can’t afford to buy a house or groceries wasn’t exactly a great play. When you start telling people to not believe their own eyes and ears, you’re already losing.

FTR, I think Harris did the best she could given the circumstances, but Democrats needed to have acknowledged these real problems much sooner than they did. They also should've ideally explained to Americans how they plan to address it concretely.

 

[The Cinnabon]

Different, yes, but not in any effective way. Hard to believe that they looked at progressive primary losses earlier this year and widespread DEI backlash and thought doubling down on progressives and essentially telling moderates to pound sand was a good idea. Simply put, the left, time and time again, thinks that being "right" is more important than being effective.

I don't know what campaign you were watching, but Kamala ran to the right on the likes of border issues. She had Liz Cheney speak on her behalf for god's sake, she is not a progressive and ran an exceptionally moderate campaign trying to capture the moderate voter base.

 

[WisNeuro]

I don't know what campaign you were watching, but Kamala ran to the right on the likes of border issues. She had Liz Cheney speak on her behalf for god's sake, she is not a progressive and ran an exceptionally moderate campaign trying to capture the moderate voter base.

The messaging and actions from the party and her campaign horribly out of sync here. They did **** all to really explain her position changes in a way that resonated in any meaningful way. Granted, she had a short period of time, relatively speaking, but hard to overcome the national party hamstringing you on these issues. If you look back at my posts, I put the fault on the party, not Harris. They're the ones who always go back to the well for losing strategies.

 

[The Cinnabon]

The messaging and actions from the party and her campaign horribly out of sync here. They did **** all to really explain her position changes in a way that resonated in any meaningful way. Granted, she had a short period of time, relatively speaking, but hard to overcome the national party hamstringing you on these issues. If you look back at my posts, I put the fault on the party, not Harris. They're the ones who always go back to the well for losing strategies.

This I also strongly agree with, the DNC's campaign strategies have been horrific.

 

[Shiori]

The country is shifting to the right as a whole. Democrats have definitely been trying to court more traditional Republicans to improve numbers, but it alienates their base. They're in a rough spot. Many farther left folks drew in a line in the sand when it came to Palestine. I don't think we're seeing a new problem, and I don't think it's purely an American problem. People like progressive policies, but don't like progressives.

 

[Sanman]

The country is shifting to the right as a whole. Democrats have definitely been trying to court more traditional Republicans to improve numbers, but it alienates their base. They're in a rough spot. Many farther left folks drew in a line in the sand when it came to Palestine. I don't think we're seeing a new problem, and I don't think it's purely an American problem. People like progressive policies, but don't like progressives.

I personally don't think that is true. I do think that the "progressive" politics left behind the concerns that are important to many folks in America.

 

[Shiori]

I personally don't think that is true. I do think that the "progressive" politics left behind the concerns that are important to many folks in America.

2024 Election Environment Favorable to GOP

Most key measures of the political environment for the 2024 election favor the Republican Party over the Democratic Party.

news.gallup.com

I was basing my statement on this.

 

[Fan_of_Meehl]

2024 Election Environment Favorable to GOP

Most key measures of the political environment for the 2024 election favor the Republican Party over the Democratic Party.

news.gallup.com

I was basing my statement on this.

"U.S. Satisfaction = 22% Satisfied."

Wow.

People are definitely not "satisfied."

 

[Sanman]

2024 Election Environment Favorable to GOP

Most key measures of the political environment for the 2024 election favor the Republican Party over the Democratic Party.

news.gallup.com

I was basing my statement on this.

Understood. However, I think that shift has more to do with the Democratic party moving away from the working class than it does the population changing their views. People struggling to put food on the table or afford a home are not likely to care about the other issues.

 

[WisNeuro]

Understood. However, I think that shift has more to do with the Democratic party moving away from the working class than it does the population changing their views. People struggling to put food on the table or afford home are not likely to care about the other issues.

I think people struggle with party identification not lining up as closely with issues as they used to. Plenty of people who identify for a party who vote for issues on the other side of the aisle quite frequently.

 

[Shiori]

Understood. However, I think that shift has more to do with the Democratic party moving away from the working class than it does the population changing their views. People struggling to put food on the table or afford home are not likely to care about the other issues.

We can talk about the specific reasons it's happening, but it's happening. Just like in Europe. Both parties are shifting to keep up with social changes. That's why the Cheneys voted for Harris. They want the old version of their party. The Republican party is re-inventing itself. The Democratic Party will likely do the same thing.

The Democrats run on things like raising the minimum wage. Local Democrats get state-level versions of it. It is overwhelming supported along with the Republican candidates who fought tooth and nail to keep it off the ballot. Voters get the best of both worlds in their mind.

 

[WisNeuro]

Yes, pretty wide discrepancy between tickets. In my state, the Dem Senator destroyed her opponent by 15+ points, while the presidential ticket was separated by about 3.5 points. My Congressional district, which was supposed to be close, was a 13+ point win for the Democratic incumbent. Lot of people voting split tickets.

 

[The Cinnabon]

Going off in a different direction.

Hot damn I was beyond shocked to see how long it took to project and how "close" it was in Minnesota of all places. Never thought in a million years that it would get that close in MN (as in, not an overwhelming blue victory).

 

[WisNeuro]

Going off in a different direction.

Hot damn I was beyond shocked to see how long it took to project and how "close" it was in Minnesota of all places. Never thought in a million years that it would get that close in MN (as in, not an overwhelming blue victory).

Their margin on 2016 was actually a good deal closer than this one.

 

[futureapppsy2]

The German dual citizenship groups (and I suspect other ones) were very active today (glad I started the process two years ago, ngl).

 

[The Cinnabon]

The German dual citizenship groups (and suspect other ones) were very active today (glad I started the process two years ago, ngl).

So, here me out, why not just to go New Zealand. Even outside of election and election results, I've heard it's not terribly hard for US psychologists to emigrate to either NZ or AUS. Can't speak to salaries.

Personally I think it could be cool just to see something different, election and catastrophizing aside.


I'm still salty my dad and I got screwed over on our Polish citizenship by decent. His grandfather had citizenship, but it's automatically revoked if you enlist in any other armed force overseas. His dad enlisted when he got here during WW1 which lost his citizenship.