A poll about your intelligence

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What type of "intelligence" do you have?

  • A genius. And even my professors agree.

    Votes: 47 10.9%
  • Not to be cocky, but I think I was born with it (intelligence).

    Votes: 108 24.9%
  • I am of above average intelligence.

    Votes: 166 38.3%
  • Average intelligence but I try so hard I seem above average.

    Votes: 63 14.5%
  • I am of average intelligence.

    Votes: 28 6.5%
  • I am of below average intelligence but I try really hard I...

    Votes: 7 1.6%
  • Below average intelligence

    Votes: 14 3.2%

  • Total voters
    433

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With regards to your intelligence (book smarts)...

What "type" of intelligence do you think you have (in general)?
Obviously, someone may be brilliant in Organic Chem and horrible at Stats while another person may be brilliant at Stats but horrible at Organic Chem. But in general, where would you rank yourself?
 
Smart smarts...

I am not really bad at anything academically. My strength is math, and I dislike English (The Scarlet Letter killed English for me). I am still about equally good at both though.

I would say I am horrible at dancing. The reason I avoid dance class like the plague.

"Not to be cocky, but I think I was born with it (intelligence)."
 
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When people were asked this question by the Gallup poll ( N= >10,000), most answered with "above average" i.e IQ of 100+. Why do you think this is and if it is possible with a large sample?







Hint: Intelligence is based on a normal curve.

And intelligence is more based on environment rather than genetics.
 
I don't believe in natural intelligence.

EDIT: For the most part.
 
When people were asked this question by the Gallup poll ( N= >10,000), most answered with "above average" i.e IQ of 100+. Why do you think this is and if it is possible with a large sample?






Hint: Intelligence is based on a normal curve.

And intelligence is more based on environment rather than genetics.

I think something like 70% of Americans classify themselves as "well above average" drivers.

And while I think that SUCCESS is more a product of environmental factors than of native intelligence, I do believe there is a strongly genetic component involved in the latter. Which raises the question... is intelligence a measure of capability or of real actions?
 
Wow. I guess if there is one place I would find such a thread it would be within the student doctor forums.
 
To the posters who think intelligence is more environmental than genetic, twin studies seem to indicate conflicting data.

In longitudinal studies where identical twins are adopted at birth, the twins' intelligence matches closely with their hereditary parents rather than their adopted parents.

It's very rare for individuals to have IQs more or less than 15 points above/below the average intelligence of their parents.

^ Both of these are facts from a cognitive development class i took two years ago (I'll try to find links).

Also, (and this isn't backed up by research studies - totally anectdotal) I find that almost all people who are talking about intelligence have totally unscientific ideas of what intelligence actually means... even somewhat well-educated people. I'm by no means an expert either.
 
To the posters who think intelligence is more environmental than genetic, twin studies seem to indicate conflicting data.

In longitudinal studies where identical twins are adopted at birth, the twins' intelligence matches closely with their hereditary parents rather than their adopted parents.

It's very rare for individuals to have IQs more or less than 15 points above/below the average intelligence of their parents.

^ Both of these are facts from a cognitive development class i took two years ago (I'll try to find links).

Also, (and this isn't backed up by research studies - totally anectdotal) I find that almost all people who are talking about intelligence have totally unscientific ideas of what intelligence actually means... even somewhat well-educated people. I'm by no means an expert either.


Actually I've seen twin studies which actually agree with this. Furthermore an enriched environment during development is significantly more correlated with intelligence.
 
Slightly above average intelligence, but I work like a beast to make up for it. My professors think I'm brilliant... I don't see it, so I inevitably work hard to keep up with their expectations. Math is my weakness but English, sciences, and history are my strengths.

I dated a girl who was in her first semester, she thought she was a genius and the whole package- really over-confident. We broke up, I bumped into her a few weeks ago and she had new fake boobs and lost her scholarship after one semester. Perhaps a correlation between over-confidence and intelligence? LoL.
 
Poll might as well say "Rate your narcissism on a scale of douchebag to nun".
 
I voted genius just because I could. Haters gonna hate.
 
It depends on the subject. I can't pull out A's in math and science without studying, usually really hard, but I do really well with the humanities. Not without some studying, of course.
 
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My whole life I've been told by my teachers and parents that I'm highly intelligent but I don't really feel like I have above average intelligence. Apparently I was a genious baby who started speaking full sentences at 9 months...but for the most part I think I have average intelligence and a good work ethic.
 
I think I'm above average, but VERY SLIGHTLY.

I used to be very lazy with school and appeared pretty average or slightly above considering the effort I put in (IE a B+ in gen chem only showing up to class once every other week. Average was a low C).

Since I've grown up a little and developed a work ethic, I've always been at or near the top of my classes (except for a bad orgo class. I was nowhere near top)
 
Pretty much good at anything academic or athletic that I try. Not so much in other areas... I'd expect most pre-med and med students to be a standard deviation or higher than the general population (generally have smarter doctors and scientists than those who didn't go to college, but it's on average). If you're really smart, great. Use it. If you're not, work harder, and you'll be on par.
 
When people were asked this question by the Gallup poll ( N= >10,000), most answered with "above average" i.e IQ of 100+. Why do you think this is and if it is possible with a large sample?







Hint: Intelligence is based on a normal curve.

And intelligence is more based on environment rather than genetics.

Hint: you're wrong. Research shows intelligence is about 50-75% genetics (<50% environment).

That said, I really don't see any value in this thread. All it really does is to show who's a douche. I know where my IQ ranks and where my profs would rank me, but why would I go posting that on some public forum. Heck, I wouldn't tell my closest friends because...really...what good would it serve?
 
I believe the cultivation of intelligence is an aggregate of both environmental and genetic factors.

In my very early childhood (less than 4 years of age), I understood many mathematical concepts foreign to someone my age(fractions, decimals, the concept of negative numbers, and many other algebraic concepts). In addition, when I first spoke I was able to communicate far beyond my age (for example: I'm sad vs. I'm disappointed because you didn't listen to my suggestion).

The downside to this is intelligence is the prevalence of an almost crippling social anxiety. In reality, I would much rather be more of a "people" person than an intellectual.
 
Pretty much good at anything academic or athletic that I try. Not so much in other areas... I'd expect most pre-med and med students to be a standard deviation or higher than the general population (generally have smarter doctors and scientists than those who didn't go to college, but it's on average). If you're really smart, great. Use it. If you're not, work harder, and you'll be on par.

I'd totally ball you out in B-ball. 😛
 
With regards to your intelligence (book smarts)...

What "type" of intelligence do you think you have (in general)?
Obviously, someone may be brilliant in Organic Chem and horrible at Stats while another person may be brilliant at Stats but horrible at Organic Chem. But in general, where would you rank yourself?

"book smarts" is not intelligence, and these are not "types" of intelligence...but fun thread!
 
Actually, I really miss basketball. That was my first love growing up (come from an NCAA basketball championship family), but I got hurt pretty badly my senior year and had to give up competitive sports for a long time. Still love a good pick-up game, though 🙂
 
I believe the cultivation of intelligence is an aggregate of both environmental and genetic factors.

In my very early childhood (less than 4 years of age), I understood many mathematical concepts foreign to someone my age(fractions, decimals, the concept of negative numbers, and many other algebraic concepts). In addition, when I first spoke I was able to communicate far beyond my age (for example: I'm sad vs. I'm disappointed because you didn't listen to my suggestion).

The downside to this is intelligence is the prevalence of an almost crippling social anxiety. In reality, I would much rather be more of a "people" person than an intellectual.

I'm surprised you have such a memory of your childhood. Anyways, most people don't learn to truly understand or appreciate algebraic functions until around early adolescence. So, if you managed to do this, then you're the epitome of an early bloomer.

There have been many studies which look at how children respond to algebra/ math in which the variable is introduced X and that it can change from problem to problem. Most children between ages 5-10, cannot accommodate such a concept yet. In fact if you try to teach them, it really won't sink in as it's beyond their cognitive scape or even contradictory to previous ideas/schemas of numbers as fixed entities.

But in regards to the social anxiety, you could always consider CBT/ desensitization therapy to try to reduce the anxiety surrounding social events.
 
serenade, as others already have, I have to disagree with you. IQ is far more genetic/inherit than it is environmental. Not that environment can't have an influence (unfortunately - or fortunately, depending on your situation - it can); just that it's not that strong in comparison.

I grew up in a pretty awful environment, by most of Americans' standards - parental drug addiction, parental mental illness, abuse (both by parents and by others), domestic violence, divorce, poverty, etc. - and, though I feel it prevented me from having as early an introduction to academic material and may have stunted my actual academic growth, I don't think it has had a major impact on my actual intelligence. I was still able to teach myself to read and write creatively (ie, not "I saw a cat"; full, page-long stories with fully developed plots and abstract concepts) independently by the time I was two (including speaking with a very advanced vocabulary for the age), and was reading and understanding concepts at a college - graduate level by early/middle Elementary school. Though I wasn't as adept at actually "doing" Math, I was always able to understand concepts most my age (<4) didn't (negatives, decimals, fractions, variables, etc).

When I say my environment limited me, it was because it was harder for me to find books to read, educated people to speak to, and other such things that can make a difference. As a result, I don't feel I was really able to begin to reach my full potential until I was old enough to, say, bike down to the library on my own or take and pay for my first college course (9th grade, at the local State Uni; payed for with money saved up from lots of under-the-table jobs). It also made it hard to get good grades (because I was helping to take care of my parents and other major trauma/stress) and, as seeing the ability to take honors or AP courses at my middle and high school were 100% based on grades, I could never get into those classes (which made my grades worse, because I was so bored, under-stimulated, etc. When I was younger, it caused me to fidget and have trouble sitting still and, later, it pushed me to try to skip class, etc. The grades and behaviors were ultimately my fault, and I take responsibility for it; but I do claim that public schools fail gifted kids, especially those from poor socioeconomic backgrounds. There's a study somewhere that shows this; however, I don't recall the citation at the moment). And so on.

On that note, this poll is useless. How far you get in life will be far more determined by how hard you work than anything else. The person who is below average-IQ but works extraordinarily hard to achieve what they want is, in my opinion, worthy of far more respect than the gifted/genius who sleeps all day.
 
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I think way too many people here are confusing intelligence with good grades. It is NOT the same thing, if you gave forrest gump a textbook and made him study it 24/7 he would get an A.


/Just cause you get good grades doesn't mean you are intelligent, or vice versa.
 
serenade, as others already have, I have to disagree with you. IQ is far more genetic/inherit than it is environmental. Not that environment can't have an influence (unfortunately - or fortunately, depending on your situation - it can); just that it's not that strong in comparison.

Well, for the most part genetics are in fact important and if I were to have read these studies a few years ago I might have agreed. However now, I can disagree on the basis that they have a bad research paradigm, very few cognitive developmental studies actually consider critical periods in nervous system development.
Either way, I'm sure there will be more research put into this topic soon enough as the neuroscience field begins to continue to grow.
 
Well, for the most part genetics are in fact important and if I were to have read these studies a few years ago I might have agreed. However now, I can disagree on the basis that they have a bad research paradigm, very few cognitive developmental studies actually consider critical periods in nervous system development.
Either way, I'm sure there will be more research put into this topic soon enough as the neuroscience field begins to continue to grow.

Disagreeing with the conclusions of the study (not a view that I share), however, does not equal - and cannot equal - having proper evidence to assume the opposite conclusion. On that note, though, can you cite specific studies that you take issue with and, perhaps, state how you would have designed it differently?

The idea that IQ could be primarily an environmental thing seems absurd to me, however. "Giftedness" is far more than doing well in school, as many have mentioned. It's your inherit ability to learn being far greater (at least by 30 points) than the average. It goes down to actual understanding, processing information, ways of thinking/viewing the world, etc - all things that are primarily cognitive. A stable, good environment may help teach a child to read, do a math problem or think critically; but it can't give them that. On the reverse, someone could never learn to read and still be gifted/genius.

Once again, as an anecdote (which, I know, doesn't empirically prove anything; but is still of value), I had extensive trauma between the ages of 0 - 3 (a major time for brain development). I was in a violent household, subject to violence, limited access to anything academic (I had a couple hours each day in a daycare) and had very little attachment with any one caregiver - certainly not my parents. I still taught myself to read (at said daycare). I still taught myself to write. I could still understand abstract concepts. I could still understand those mathematical concepts. I wouldn't deny that this had an impact at all - as I said, I do think environment can have an effect and have the ability to raise/lower IQ points by (perhaps) a few points; but it certainly seems to be contrary to what you are saying.

On the flip side, I think it is fair to say that the majority of special needs children - in this discussion, specifically those with mental ******ation - come from anything other than stable, average environments. Many of these now get early intervention. They continue to get it through the rest of their education. Yet, though with a lot of work some may end up a bit better than when they started, the impact is not significant.

I believe genetics have the greatest influence on how one develops during those periods you mentioned and there seems to be more studies suggesting this than the reverse.
 
Critical thinking and cognitive development peaks at age 8 and then sometime later ~25 when the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex mylinates in which both are strongly effected by environment. But like I said, this just objective behavioral neuroscience, not observational studies.

But like I said. I'm sure genetics plays a huge role. However I'm more prone to believe that your environmental factors, the amount you actually use your brain ( Use it or Lose it principle) is a much higher indicator of objective intelligence. ( Although I also disagree with IQ tests as do many neuroscientists and psychologists.
Regardless, please don't take offense to this. I'm not attacking you or saying you're dumb.

Mentally ******ed children do not undergo development in the same way so the example is null.


Finally I just remembered the best word in the entire field of neuroscience: Epi-genetics. Or how genetics and physiological experiences of cells, neurons in this case, are influenced by our environment and behaviors. Which is why I believe an enriched environment is extremely important.
 
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This thread was silly to begin with, and now it's turning into a tl;dr pissing contest.

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It doesn't seem there's sufficient agreement over what intelligence even refers to, so naturally people will reach different conclusions. I, for one, don't consider a large knowledge base along to be indicative of intelligence as I would define it, nor would I consider precociousness in math or languages to be an indication of it. I honestly don't think that kids don't learn things such as algebra because they aren't intelligent enough, I consider it more likely the result of schools not teaching it and children not wanting to be the effort to learn it at a young age. If kids actually tried to learn algebra and were given the resources to learn, I think most kids would be capable of doing it.
 
Higher Intelligence leads to more mana and more spellpower.
 
I am a genius god inside a human body, and I'm very humble too. :laugh:
 
Think of how dumb the average American is, and then think about how half of all Americans are dumber than that.

I'm above average.
 
average intelligence i guess...😳
 
It doesn't seem there's sufficient agreement over what intelligence even refers to, so naturally people will reach different conclusions. I, for one, don't consider a large knowledge base along to be indicative of intelligence as I would define it, nor would I consider precociousness in math or languages to be an indication of it. I honestly don't think that kids don't learn things such as algebra because they aren't intelligent enough, I consider it more likely the result of schools not teaching it and children not wanting to be the effort to learn it at a young age. If kids actually tried to learn algebra and were given the resources to learn, I think most kids would be capable of doing it.

Well, you might catch some earlier, but there are normal stages of cognitive development where children develop abstract v. concrete thought process. Usually, early adolescence. Public schools teach abstract concepts (like algebra) then because that is when the majority of children will have developed that faculty. Some get it much earlier, some much later.

Anyway, I dislike these intelligence labels. Wasn't it someone much brighter than us all who said, "Everybody is a genius, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life thinking it is stupid?"

The most amazing thing about this thread is the difference between those with impostor syndrome and others with thinly-veiled intellectual pretentiousness. Sigh.
 
These results are going to be terrible, but I'm sure you already know that. Only 1 out of 4 people in the U.S. get a Bachelor's degree. The vast, vast majority of college students are above average intelligence.
 
I like how the majority of us rated ourselves as above average 😀
 
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