A Psychiatrist's Office

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Anasazi23

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I'm posting this here for our current or future reference. I've thought about the concept of "the psychiatrist's office" quite a bit (probably more like fantasizing,) and have had the ability to compare quite a few offices I've seen personally. As I inch closer to graduation from residency, I've been thinking about this concept more and more. I found this little article on the web at this address.

I'd like to hear more ideas. Those already practicing can add what they've found helpful or detrimental; those future medical school psychiatrists or those in residency can add some of their thoughts as well...some of us are done with residency in only a couple of years! 🙂

"Beyond Bipolar

The Doctor's Office Says It All

by Mara McWilliams

A few words about the doctor's office from a bipolar client: I have patiently sat in many a waiting room waiting to be seen. If I am coming to therapy, it's because I have issues. Be courteous and have a nice box of Kleenex in the waiting room, and if possible, access to water like a water cooler would be very wonderful.

As the doctor, you know the demographics of your clientele. Perhaps you could keep that in mind when putting magazines in the waiting room for us to read while we are waiting for our appointment that should have started 5 minutes ago. More updated and interesting reading material would be nice: how about pamphlets on depression, quitting smoking, stress reduction, weight control, schedules to the closest AA, NA, or co-dependent's anonymous meetings. Help us get the help we need but that we still might be too afraid to ask for. If you put that type of reading material and general access info out for your patients, we just MIGHT take it when you're not looking.

Also, along those lines, I would like to make a very important statement about ER's, typical doctors offices, and a psychiatrist's office: if you have anything in those cabinets or drawers like disposable scalpels, gloves, licopene, bottles, LOCK THAT STUFF UP! Again, you are in an industry dealing with people who admittedly have some issues in their lives that they would like to address. While they are in your care, they should be safe. That is a doctor's responsibility to his client. Please, lock your drawers. I have mentioned this to several doctors over the years and they all replied that it never even occurred to them. Now that I've put it out there, please hear me, it could save lives.

Ok, now into the office we go. I understand, as a former office "owner", that your office generally reflects your own personality, but I believe in this field the office area should be focused on soothing the client and making them feel comfortable enough to trust and open up to you. I am not suggesting by any means that you don't express yourself visually in your office, just take the patient's point of view into mind when decorating.

Most doctor's offices are FILLED with extremely brilliant books about the conditions that we suffer from. I say, if you have that book on a bookcase in your office, you should be willing to loan it out to me if I ask to borrow it. If nothing else, if the book never gets returned you can take it as a loss on income taxes. But perhaps that book you turned me onto will have some answers that I had to discover on my own through reading. My bet would also be on the book being returned.

Plants are always a wonderful addition to any space. For some reason they generate a feeling of safety and vitality. Maybe it's because you notice that they are ALIVE and thriving and being taken care of in THIS PARTICULAR DOCTOR'S OFFICE…hmmm…to a patient the perception might be…She/he CARES. Plants' health and appearance say a lot about the personality of the person occupying the office space.

Again, a couple of boxes of Kleenex readily within reach of the client so they don't have to ask for some is very important to me. It's funny how there is often Kleenex in the office, but sitting on the doctor's desk or on a credenza behind them completely out of reach of the patient. Perhaps this is done deliberately for some reason unknown to me, but Keep it Simple, let me just be able to lean over and grab a Kleenex without having to ask for one. It's the little things that mean the most in these intimate moments shared between therapist and client.

Personally, I'm not into the lying on the couch scene. I prefer a nice comfortable chair and if I am fortunate enough to have a window view I am just about in therapy heaven. It's also less intimidating when the desk is NOT used as a divider between client and therapist -- a more open and inviting atmosphere where the doctor can face the client without barriers is much more comfortable. I have found that I can more easily interact with my therapist if they are sitting to one side of me or straight across from me without any barriers, and if they are good, they can then tell when I begin to dissociate during a session.

I think it is important for the therapist and client to pick certain areas they want to work on and come up with a plan for achieving those goals.

Also, being bipolar, I am sometimes too depressed to leave the house even though I have a therapy appointment later that day. It would be VERY BENEFICIAL if doctors realized that those with mental health concerns do have anxiety and panic attacks that sometimes, there is nothing we can do about. If more doctors were open to changing their in-office appointment on a BAD day and convert it to a phone appointment, that would be extremely helpful. That way the commitment is still kept on the patient's side and we are still able to receive the assistance we really need. It's generally when we can't leave the house that we need our doctor's help the most, and if we are incapable of getting to the office, what other solution can we come up with to keep these patients safe? I suggest the emergency telephone appointments I described.

There are a lot of things I want from the person I am willing to trust with my mental health. I expect honesty, straightforwardness, respect, the ability to stand up to me, the willingness to comfort me, their vow of silence about my intimate life. I think most importantly, I want them to know that I am not just another chart number with a diagnosis. I am a real live feeling person, coping day to day, trying to live with my mental illness the best I know how. I want them to be interested in the things I tell them. I want them to learn about me enough so that when I slightly shift to the left, they KNOW it is for a specific reason and they tune in to it."


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Also, being bipolar, I am sometimes too depressed to leave the house even though I have a therapy appointment later that day. It would be VERY BENEFICIAL if doctors realized that those with mental health concerns do have anxiety and panic attacks that sometimes, there is nothing we can do about. If more doctors were open to changing their in-office appointment on a BAD day and convert it to a phone appointment, that would be extremely helpful. That way the commitment is still kept on the patient's side and we are still able to receive the assistance we really need. It's generally when we can't leave the house that we need our doctor's help the most, and if we are incapable of getting to the office, what other solution can we come up with to keep these patients safe? I suggest the emergency telephone appointments I described.

This is an interesting bit. I wonder about this patient's diagnosis.
 
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OldPsychDoc said:
Are you suggesting something more on the order of "Bipolar Type III" (e.g. 301.83)?


what is 301.83?
 
Hmmm, thanks for posting this. Very interesting. I think what Miklos meant was, "Does this person have some kind of personality dysfunction as well?" The whole article was a little, I don't know, preachy and needy, somehow. Although I thought all the points were well-made and food for thought.

On a completely different side-note, it seems to me that half of the patients on my service are labeled "bipolar" when many of them are more complex than that. As a bipolar ms-4 myself, I can tell you that my pattern of medication-responsive manic episodes, as well as slightly harder to treat depressive ones, intermingled with vast periods where I am completely without symptoms and nobody would (or ever does) guess I have a mental illness, does not jive with most of the folks who receive a bipolar diagnosis. A lot of them are chronically low-functioning, chronically depressed or have a lot of chronic anxiety, or have a lot of violence and impulse problems (at least in the inner-city where I work). Some of them just have a lot of bizarre behavior, or are labile a lot, and so....they are labeled bipolar. Seems like a very different "mix" of illness to me. Just my two cents.

Anyway, since I have experience with this topic myself, let me say that for me, a shrink's office would be as much like any other doctor's office as possible. That is because in my personal opinion, mental illness is illness with different types of symptoms, and its that simple. Of course it should be friendly and conducive to honest discussion, but so should every office.

All of this might not work for most patients, but I like it to be a doctor's office, not a place to get comfortable and cozy. In fact, the more "cozy" and touchy-feely it is, the more I feel uncomfortable. Im going for medical help, not hugs and cookies.

I think information packets are a good idea, like at any doctor's office. I like the doctor's office to have a desk and a chair for him/her, and a chair for me. Plants, I dont really care about. Couches annoy the hell out of me. Of course, everyone is different, but I could not IMAGINE lying down to talk to my physician!

One thing: it is nice to have a clock that I can see, in case I forget my watch, because if you are rabbiting on about lithium side effects as I sometimes do, you may be prone to go over-time, and that is a pain for the doc, who has more patients to see, but who does not want to interrupt his patient. You the doc should also have a clock you can see, so you know when it really is time to interrupt me. If I can see a clock I can keep my eye on the time, and I think all mental health patients need to learn that they need to be present and engaged for the time allotted to them but they need to leave when time is up. Boundaries and structure are good.

I personally hate that shrinks come out into the waiting room to get their patients. I would much rather they do it like at any other office, some nurse or assistant calls your name, and you walk down the hall and go into the "exam room." In this case, the doc is already there, but that's fine. I don't like him coming out to get me, it feels like I am five years old.

Also, water and cookies and stuff, I dont think thats really necessary. People can bring their own water bottle if they need to, or a 20 ounce cup of Dunkin Donuts coffee if they are like me. Again, I dont plan to encourage my patients to be needy -- I believe they are capable of bringing something to drink. Kleenex of course should be available, people sometimes cry and its nice not to snot all over your shirt and such.

Those are my thoughts. Of course I realize that everyone is different. For me, I dont define myself by my illness, and in fact most of the time I try not to think about it. It is not who I am. So, I like my trip to the doctor to be like any other trip to the doctor. Makes me feel less different, less labeled, less "crazy" I suppose. I realize that other folks need other stuff in their doctor's offices...I suppose when we have our offices we will have to find a way to accomodate as many of them as possible. Personally, Id like my own office to be warm but professional, just like if I were a dermatologist or a knee surgeon.

Man, Im so excited about interviews. 15 in all. In case anyone out there who has a psych diagnosis is applying to schools, be advised: keep your diagnosis to yourself. Let your accomplishments and your grades and your essay and your interview speak for you, not some diagnosis. Folks with other illnesses dont feel the need to make their illness the centerpiece of their application, and neither should we.

Peace to all. Sorry I rambled on...its late and my fingers just kept moving,

C.D.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Are you suggesting something more on the order of "Bipolar Type III" (e.g. 301.83)?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm going to have to remember that one. :meanie:

and to answer the other question, no- if you plan on billing the patient's insurance/Medicaid/Medicare, you cannot bill for a phone session. if the patient is paying out of pocket, then you can.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Are you suggesting something more on the order of "Bipolar Type III" (e.g. 301.83)?

jlw9698 said:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm going to have to remember that one. :meanie:

jlw...Look up the Young & Klerman Subtypes. Each of the VI descriptive subtpes are treated differently. The majority of what we do doesn't fit into discrete categories. These people present all the time.
 
crazydoc77 said:
Anyway, since I have experience with this topic myself, let me say that for me, a shrink's office would be as much like any other doctor's office as possible....

...Im going for medical help, not hugs and cookies....

... So, I like my trip to the doctor to be like any other trip to the doctor. Makes me feel less different, less labeled, less "crazy" I suppose.

Thanks for the opinion. I've wondered myself if my office would be more "medical," as opposed to touch-feely. It would likely be a mixture of both, but lean more toward the medical side.

I'd like to know from the practicing psychiatrists out there...do you have physical exam rooms for neuro exams and physicals? This is certainly needed for certain situations...and could be used for an initial visit "triage room" to take vitals, weights, blood, urine, and other information/labs that would be needed.
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Are you suggesting something more on the order of "Bipolar Type III" (e.g. 301.83)?

Yeah. I got a strong sense of dependence along with a touch of entitlement when I was reading the piece.

Apart from that the author does make some very valid points, which I didn't mention, along the lines of C.D.'s post.
 
I think this is a great thread and am glad others are thinking about these things, too. As someone who wants to practice in a rural setting, I've thought about the impact it might have to make a psychiatrist's office more "medical-ly." I've grown up with this population of people, and these farmers and ranchers sure as hell aren't into touchy-feely. I almost think it might seem "safer" to them if it WERE more like a "regular" doctor's office--down to the white coat and everything.

JLW--thanks for answering my questions.
 
Anasazi23 said:
Thanks for the opinion. I've wondered myself if my office would be more "medical," as opposed to touch-feely. It would likely be a mixture of both, but lean more toward the medical side.

I'd like to know from the practicing psychiatrists out there...do you have physical exam rooms for neuro exams and physicals? This is certainly needed for certain situations...and could be used for an initial visit "triage room" to take vitals, weights, blood, urine, and other information/labs that would be needed.

My outpatient office is located in a multi-specialty clinic, so we have a lab on site for that stuff, and a scale & BP cuff in our nurse's office. If they need a physical, they go to their primary doc, period. I occasionally do some quick neuro checks in my office, which has a basic small (non-analytic) couch & chair arrangement. My desk is against a window, so I can't hide behind it or leer over it imperiously. It's more "school counselor" in appearance than "doctor".

I think that some of the points about atmosphere are valid in psychiatry, even if you're just doing med checks. There was a fair amount of turnover in our clinic recently, and more than one pt has commented that because I haven't got anything on the walls or any other "personal touches", they're afraid I might be leaving soon too! I did get my diplomas up on the wall though!
 
OldPsychDoc said:
Are you suggesting something more on the order of "Bipolar Type III" (e.g. 301.83)?

Thanks so much, now I have to clean up the diet coke I spewed across my desk from laughing. 😉
 
Anasazi23 said:
jlw...Look up the Young & Klerman Subtypes. Each of the VI descriptive subtpes are treated differently. The majority of what we do doesn't fit into discrete categories. These people present all the time.

wasn't OldPsychDoc using 301.83 to refer to borderline PD? maybe I'm getting my codes mixed up. need.. more.. sleep..

thanks for the subtype info- interesting at first glance, will read it more in-depth later. you know- after some sleep. 😀
 
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jlw9698 said:
wasn't OldPsychDoc using 301.83 to refer to borderline PD? maybe I'm getting my codes mixed up. need.. more.. sleep..

thanks for the subtype info- interesting at first glance, will read it more in-depth later. you know- after some sleep. 😀

As with most things, there is "shorthand" for clinical practice, and there is serious clinical inquiry. My comment contained a little of both, but yes, I am aware that there is serious academic discussion regarding further subtypes on the bipolar spectrum....
 
jlw9698 said:
wasn't OldPsychDoc using 301.83 to refer to borderline PD? maybe I'm getting my codes mixed up. need.. more.. sleep..

thanks for the subtype info- interesting at first glance, will read it more in-depth later. you know- after some sleep. 😀

Yes, that is the genius of OldPsychDoc....he makes interesting and humorous extrapolations on multiple levels with one simple comment. With bonus learning points added in!

I need sleep too...another long day with screaming demented geriatric pt's tomorrow. 🙁
 
Anasazi23 said:
Yes, that is the genius of OldPsychDoc....he makes interesting and humorous extrapolations on multiple levels with one simple comment. With bonus learning points added in!

I need sleep too...another long day with screaming demented geriatric pt's tomorrow. 🙁

"Genius" wasn't the exact word my PD would use...
I believe his expression for it was something like "smart a$$". :laugh: