A question of respect

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nope, never really gave it much thought... but no, I don't
 
Dral said:
Do you, as an allopathic student or MD, look down on dentists?

I never did nor gave it much thought, but apparently the perception that it occurs is there...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-it-is-saturated.1170539/page-9#post-17228750
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After the passing of Obamacare, I can guarantee dentists are laughing at us all the way to the bank, they don't care even if we did look down on them. There are other reasons before that though for them to laugh at us - mandatory postgraduate residency, MOC requirements, killing private practice, etc. I don't know any dentist who wants that.
 
I don't have an opinion either way.
 
I don't look down upon them.
But going through what I am currently and what is to come, corners of me may want to subconsciously "show" I am better in some way.
I suppress it though if it comes up in my head. It is a defense mechanism/coping strategy (This is all worth it if I "prove" I'm better). This is probably more marked in me, given that I've always been given s*** for being the "studious one" all the way through current day. So subconsciously, I want to prove to myself that it is worth it.
 
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Tri723 said:
I don't look down upon them.
But going through what I am currently and what is to come, corners of me may want to subconsciously "show-them" I am better, if it ever comes up.
I suppress it though if it comes up in my head. It is a defense mechanism/coping strategy (This is all worth it if I "prove" I'm better). This is probably more marked in me, given that I've always been given s*** for being the "studious one" all the way through current day. So subconsciously, I want to show people that it is worth it.
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Better? At what? Pulling teeth? 😉
 
Tri723 said:
if you didn't read the post carefully it said i don't think im better at anything...if those thoughts come in, its a defense mechanism
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I think what he means is prove you're better than dentists, or just better than others in general? I understand what you mean though.
 
Dral said:
Dentistry has always been fairly independent...I wonder if hospital systems will start buying up practices...if they haven't started already.
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Why? Dentists were carved out of Obamacare for the most part.
 
charmiedermie said:
I think what he means is prove you're better than dentists, or just better than others in general? I understand what you mean though.
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i see...what i am trying to say is that sometimes my brain tries to find ways to validate things and cope with them in general. It's not a new concept of course.
Heck without these mechanisms, what am I going to tell myself? That i've wasted years of precious life and time from friends/family for something that isn't so fantastic?
 
Tri723 said:
i see...what i am trying to say is that sometimes my brain tries to find ways to validate things and cope with them in general. It's not a new concept of course.
Heck without these mechanisms, what am I going to tell myself? That i've wasted years of precious life and time from friends/family for something that isn't so fantastic?
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Oh, I know, I did what you did all the time. I think we learned the exact same mind tricks to be able to cope 😉. Everyone wants this to be all worth it in the end - it's way too much time and money not to. Prestige and respect are nice perks. You better be careful though, the usual male egotists will say you are being entitled, and you don't deserve any more respect and awe than your plumber.
 
Dral said:
Do you, as an allopathic student or MD, look down on dentists?

I never did nor gave it much thought, but apparently the perception that it occurs is there...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-it-is-saturated.1170539/page-9#post-17228750
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I definitely don't look down on dentists. Basically see them as equals. And dental school, pre-clinically, is harder than med school in most cases. There are very few dental schools that are pass/fail. Also OMFS seems awesome.
 
Outside of murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and habitual liars, I don't really snub my nose at too many people. I certainly wouldn't look down on someone for choosing a profession in dentistry.
 
ENT probably works the closest with dentistry of any specialty. They are invaluable colleagues.

Occasionally you get a goofball OMFS who tries a rhinoplasty or something, but otherwise they are helping our radiated cancer patients with routine dental care, making ridiculously complex prosthodontics which save patients from free flaps, doing osseointegrated implants into mandible reconstructions, managing osteoradionecrosis, picking up cancer and sending it our way, etc, etc.

You want to see something funny, though, read the ENT vs. OMFS thread in the ENT forum.
 
Don't really care but I have liked the omfs residents. They go through the same 3rd and 4th year as well as a surgical intern year.
 
Why on earth would I look down on dentists for choosing a different career path? They're providing an invaluable service.

Professions I might look down on: paparazzi, politicians (depending on policies), tobacco lobbyist. If you're actively making the world worse, that's lame. If you're helping people, you're awesome in my book.
 
Can't say I've ever given it much thought, but no don't really care about them.

I'd probably go crazy if I had to stare inside someone's mouth all day everyday, but to each their own.

Saw a thing a vet student posted recently about how there are 26 medical specialties that treat humans, but just one vet that treats all animals.

I had to make myself shut up and not say that little Johnny gets over your killing his cat a lot faster than he gets over things if you kill his mom. Pets also tend not to sue the **** out of you.
 
ridethecliche said:
Can't say I've ever given it much thought, but no don't really care about them.

I'd probably go crazy if I had to stare inside someone's mouth all day everyday, but to each their own.

Saw a thing a vet student posted recently about how there are 26 medical specialties that treat humans, but just one vet that treats all animals.

I had to make myself shut up and not say that little Johnny gets over your killing his cat a lot faster than he gets over things if you kill his mom. Pets also tend not to sue the **** out of you.
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Fair... but it does make you appreciate that we only learn anatomy for one species. At least we don't have to wonder, "hmmm how many stomachs does this person have again?"
 
ridethecliche said:
Can't say I've ever given it much thought, but no don't really care about them.

I'd probably go crazy if I had to stare inside someone's mouth all day everyday, but to each their own.

Saw a thing a vet student posted recently about how there are 26 medical specialties that treat humans, but just one vet that treats all animals.

I had to make myself shut up and not say that little Johnny gets over your killing his cat a lot faster than he gets over things if you kill his mom. Pets also tend not to sue the **** out of you.
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If it makes you feel better I spend approximately 0 minutes of my day comparing doctors to anyone else
 
futuremdforme said:
Fair... but it does make you appreciate that we only learn anatomy for one species. At least we don't have to wonder, "hmmm how many stomachs does this person have again?"
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Sure, but again, not really concerned. It's a profession they chose to pursue. The rest is all talk to make yourself feel better that stuff is hard. Congrats?

Psai said:
If it makes you feel better I spend approximately 0 minutes of my day comparing doctors to anyone else
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Twinsies.
 
Tri723 said:
i've read on here you comparing docs to NPs, PAs etc...lol
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No I don't, I respond to people comparing themselves to doctors. It's very different because I'm not the one who brings it up since I have no reason to. Trust me, it doesn't cross my mind to compare myself to audiologists or respiratory therapists either
 
VisionaryTics said:
ENT probably works the closest with dentistry of any specialty. They are invaluable colleagues.

Occasionally you get a goofball OMFS who tries a rhinoplasty or something, but otherwise they are helping our radiated cancer patients with routine dental care, making ridiculously complex prosthodontics which save patients from free flaps, doing osseointegrated implants into mandible reconstructions, managing osteoradionecrosis, picking up cancer and sending it our way, etc, etc.

You want to see something funny, though, read the ENT vs. OMFS thread in the ENT forum.
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OMFS are really more like physicians than dentists, though.
 
My smartest friends from undergrad are in dental school.. After meeting some dentists recently, I think its a trend. Never even occurred to me that they were thought of as lesser until I started the medical school application process, and I'm sure I will never think about it again after medical school. Also, my most awesome medical school interviewer was a DDS.
 
No. I've been told they're better looking on average by professors though.
 
Everyone has a place in healthcare. They all do something different. You should respect everyone
 
charmiedermie said:
Why? Dentists were carved out of Obamacare for the most part.
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Regardless they seem to be less and less independent practitioners and more and more employees of larger corporate practices as much like the rest of us....

As for the OP:
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Meh, never really thought anything of it. They've got a different field. Nothing but respect for them. Same goes for pods, optometry, etc. Medicine isn't the be-all-end-all of career paths.
 
charmiedermie said:
Why? Dentists were carved out of Obamacare for the most part.
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If someone comes in to an ED or primary care with a dental issue, the hospital system may try to capitalize by keeping a referral in system.

A system could figure out how to control dental insurance and integrate it into the larger system.

Hospitals don't need (nor probably want) Dermatologists any more than they want Dentists, but hospital systems still need providers to accept Derm and dental patients. It seems some system somewhere would try to capitalize on that in dentistry.
 
Dral said:
If someone comes in to an ED or primary care with a dental issue, the hospital system may try to capitalize by keeping a referral in system.

A system could figure out how to control dental insurance and integrate it into the larger system.

Hospitals don't need (nor probably want) Dermatologists any more than they want Dentists, but hospital systems still need providers to accept Derm and dental patients. It seems some system somewhere would try to capitalize on that in dentistry.
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Plus the trend away from independent practice pre-dates Obamacare anyway. There are more than just financial reasons for that decline.
 
charmiedermie said:
After the passing of Obamacare, I can guarantee dentists are laughing at us all the way to the bank, they don't care even if we did look down on them. There are other reasons before that though for them to laugh at us - mandatory postgraduate residency, MOC requirements, killing private practice, etc. I don't know any dentist who wants that.
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Even the really expensive med schools don't come close to the cost of dental school though (~75k/yr med vs 100k+/yr dent). Granted they don't have to forfeit salary for a residency, it's still a considerable amount more in debt. Plus I would imagine they get paid less on average than physicians. I guess that's the trade for more hoops and restrictions.
 
Mad Jack said:
Meh, never really thought anything of it. They've got a different field. Nothing but respect for them. Same goes for pods, optometry, etc. Medicine isn't the be-all-end-all of career paths.
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Thats for ****ing certain

I mean, its a great path... but still
 
redferrari said:
My smartest friends from undergrad are in dental school.. After meeting some dentists recently, I think its a trend. Never even occurred to me that they were thought of as lesser until I started the medical school application process, and I'm sure I will never think about it again after medical school. Also, my most awesome medical school interviewer was a DDS.
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Really? I didn't see that trend. The people I know who went into dentistry weren't the absolute brightest students, but were well-rounded. Involved in Greek life, had interesting majors... perhaps had more of a social life than the pre-meds I knew.
 
Looked down upon might not be the best expression. Most normal people within medicine respect their colleagues and realize that everyone contributes to patient care. This includes non-doctorate holding staff as well.

Now, even within medicine, specialties have some bickering of who is impressive and who is not. Part of that has to do with academic performance (ie derm seen as impressive by some) and part of it is due to hard work/glamorous interventions (eg neurosurgery). So on this hypothetical prestige scale, you can place dentists where you want.
 
Also- med students and residents who try to exert superiority usually do it to make themselves feel better about how much medical training sucks. We work hard, sacrifice a lot, and put up with a lot of crap...
 
Dral said:
Do you, as an allopathic student or MD, look down on dentists?

I never did nor gave it much thought, but apparently the perception that it occurs is there...

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...-it-is-saturated.1170539/page-9#post-17228750
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I am an allopathic med student who simultaneously applied to both med and dental schools. I also respect dentists and dental students. I only get upset when they disrespect medical students and physicians by saying that dental schools are harder or as hard as allopathic medical schools and they think they are better than DO schools.

Unfortunately, this arrogance is quiet prevalent among many dental students.

Results do not lie.
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libraryismyhome said:
I am an allopathic med student who simultaneously applied to both med and dental schools. I also respect dentists and dental students. I only get upset when they disrespect medical students and physicians by saying that dental schools are harder or as hard as allopathic medical schools and they think they are better than DO schools.

Unfortunately, this arrogance is quiet prevalent among many dental students.

Results do not lie.
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Dude how many times have you posted that pic. You're so proud of it lol.
 
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