A story of a second chance - Cheating IA (x2) and x3 MCAT retakes

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TW: Suicide

Me: MCAT 515 after three retakes, GPA: 3.7. I have four publications from my undergrad and gap years, Went to a top undergrad, cum laude, tutor, teaching assistant, etc, etc.

To everyone around me for years, I was considered a model student. In fact, my department from undergrad awarded me the faculty award when I was graduating. People were absolutely sure that I was going to one day make something of myself.

However, three years after graduation, I was still asking for letters of recommendation from those same professors because I was a cheat.

I was an engineering major in college. It was really hard and there was one class that really made me struggle. At that point in my life, I was too arrogant and stupid to ask for help. I wanted to prove to myself how smart I am by "passing". No one ever said I was smart. The pressure got to me and I cheated.

I received two violations in the same class during my sophomore year. They occurred two weeks apart and to tell you that I was distraught would be an understatement. When the first one occurred, I knew my life was over.

When the second violation happened, my entire lift fell apart right then and there. It was a kind of low that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I went on SDN and reddit and everyone told me that my life was OVER! As I scoured SDN for hope, I couldn't find anything. My thoughts were confirmed, my life was OVER. I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt, where the doctors all assumed I was a medical student (nice stab in the heart). In the moment, I didn't know how I would come back from it.

For a while, I gave up on a future. SDN and those in the IA office at school made me feel like a monster for making a mistake. I felt like the scarlett letter, like I shouldn't be allowed to be someone with potential. The feeling really messed with me and when I had to go back to school, I struggled. My usual go-getter attitude was lost. I didn't know how to get back to normal. The next two semesters were all tears and struggle. I felt like I hard to take apart a brick wall with my bare hands. I needed a break. So, I went away for six months on an internship (co-op) and it was the best experience of my life! It was a new environment and I had mentors who actually believed in me. It helped me get on my feet.

So I went back to school re-energized. I got straight As after returning and I had a sense of fire me in me that couldn't be vanquished. I knew what I had done, but I also knew that what I had done was a mistake. Doctors, lawyers, etc make mistakes all the time. You're telling me that I have to be perfect to be a doctor and that I will never be capable of learning from my mistakes!! So, I went back at my dream of being a doctor. I pursued a MS that went with my BS that would give me some more time to raise my GPA. I pursued teaching assistant roles and resident assistant roles so I could be a support system for other students like me. I even wrote a proposal to my school to provide more structured support to students with IAs so they don't feel like how I felt. My IA changed my life.

We need to change how we look at IAs. I get that certain things are beyond fixing but some things are! We need to see IAs as just a mistake and an opportunity for growth. I would not be the person I am today without this specific challenge. No matter how proud of myself I have been since, I have only been felt to feel like a villain for my actions without any chance of reparations.

So after one year after undergrad, I finally mustered up the courage to apply to medical school. I worked as EMT and in research during my gap year and really focused all of my essays on who I wanted be and how my experiences have shaped me. Honestly, my EMS experience has had such an impact on me. I got two interviews from MD programs and yesterday I got my first acceptance.

I found out in my gym's parking lot. I cried for about 10 minutes.

People deserve second chances.

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First congratulations. Your story shows that mistakes can be corrected through time and positive action.

But a word of caution. I would advise that once you matriculate and the pressure of competing/comparing yourself to your fellow Type A classmates and flow of information from that proverbial firehouse start to creep in that you remember to seek your school's counseling service or continue with any therapy that you might still be on resulting from your attempt. If the sophomore years in college pressured you to take shortcuts, well multiply that pressure by 1000X in medschool where from the very 1st day of orientation, your classmates will be secretly sizing you and each other up. I've personally witnessed "shady" and "dishonest" behavior from a fellow classmate because of their gunner mentality which I hope as their mature, they don't resort to doing in residency or as an attending.

The medschool believes in you to make an offer. Don't disappoint them.
 
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Congrats!!! As Ben Franklin wrote, “hunger is the best pickle.” Struggle always makes accomplishment more rewarding.

In regards to the Adcoms on SDN, I doubt that their assessment of your chances was interned to make you feel bad. Imo, they are doing a great service in advising premeds free of charge. But it’s always important to remember that many variables/elements of an application can’t be captured on an Internet forum.
 
I congratulate you on your success, but do be aware that you are an outlier.
Yes. This. Over a decade of prospective med school applicant posts and you are the only one to overcome cheating. You got a second chance, but anyone reading this should still take away the fact that cheating and an IA is 99.99999999% a death sentence to becoming a Med student.
 
TW: Suicide

Me: MCAT 515 after three retakes, GPA: 3.7. I have four publications from my undergrad and gap years, Went to a top undergrad, cum laude, tutor, teaching assistant, etc, etc.

To everyone around me for years, I was considered a model student. In fact, my department from undergrad awarded me the faculty award when I was graduating. People were absolutely sure that I was going to one day make something of myself.

However, three years after graduation, I was still asking for letters of recommendation from those same professors because I was a cheat.

I was an engineering major in college. It was really hard and there was one class that really made me struggle. At that point in my life, I was too arrogant and stupid to ask for help. I wanted to prove to myself how smart I am by "passing". No one ever said I was smart. The pressure got to me and I cheated.

I received two violations in the same class during my sophomore year. They occurred two weeks apart and to tell you that I was distraught would be an understatement. When the first one occurred, I knew my life was over.

When the second violation happened, my entire lift fell apart right then and there. It was a kind of low that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I went on SDN and reddit and everyone told me that my life was OVER! As I scoured SDN for hope, I couldn't find anything. My thoughts were confirmed, my life was OVER. I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt, where the doctors all assumed I was a medical student (nice stab in the heart). In the moment, I didn't know how I would come back from it.

For a while, I gave up on a future. SDN and those in the IA office at school made me feel like a monster for making a mistake. I felt like the scarlett letter, like I shouldn't be allowed to be someone with potential. The feeling really messed with me and when I had to go back to school, I struggled. My usual go-getter attitude was lost. I didn't know how to get back to normal. The next two semesters were all tears and struggle. I felt like I hard to take apart a brick wall with my bare hands. I needed a break. So, I went away for six months on an internship (co-op) and it was the best experience of my life! It was a new environment and I had mentors who actually believed in me. It helped me get on my feet.

So I went back to school re-energized. I got straight As after returning and I had a sense of fire me in me that couldn't be vanquished. I knew what I had done, but I also knew that what I had done was a mistake. Doctors, lawyers, etc make mistakes all the time. You're telling me that I have to be perfect to be a doctor and that I will never be capable of learning from my mistakes!! So, I went back at my dream of being a doctor. I pursued a MS that went with my BS that would give me some more time to raise my GPA. I pursued teaching assistant roles and resident assistant roles so I could be a support system for other students like me. I even wrote a proposal to my school to provide more structured support to students with IAs so they don't feel like how I felt. My IA changed my life.

We need to change how we look at IAs. I get that certain things are beyond fixing but some things are! We need to see IAs as just a mistake and an opportunity for growth. I would not be the person I am today without this specific challenge. No matter how proud of myself I have been since, I have only been felt to feel like a villain for my actions without any chance of reparations.

So after one year after undergrad, I finally mustered up the courage to apply to medical school. I worked as EMT and in research during my gap year and really focused all of my essays on who I wanted be and how my experiences have shaped me. Honestly, my EMS experience has had such an impact on me. I got two interviews from MD programs and yesterday I got my first acceptance.

I found out in my gym's parking lot. I cried for about 10 minutes.

People deserve second chances.
Are you me? I have an IA for plagiarism my sophomore year, and I'll also be applying after one year out of college in a few months.
I know how crippling the stress and anxiety can be, and I'm happy for you man. Enjoy your moment
 
Yes. This. Over a decade of prospective med school applicant posts and you are the only one to overcome cheating. You got a second chance, but anyone reading this should still take away the fact that cheating and an IA is 99.99999999% a death sentence to becoming a Med student.
I think it's important to make distinctions no? I've seen so many adcoms say that IAs come on a spectrum. For example forgetting citations and stealing a professors laptop for answers are both technically cheating but they're different
 
Yes. This. Over a decade of prospective med school applicant posts and you are the only one to overcome cheating. You got a second chance, but anyone reading this should still take away the fact that cheating and an IA is 99.99999999% a death sentence to becoming a Med student.

I think a good take away from OP’s story is that comments like “an IA is a death sentence” is a dangerous statement to make and you may be incurring harm by saying that to students who place their whole life worth in their grades.

Instead of advising people they are dead for making an academic mistake, advising on how to prove you can move beyond that mistake would be better and healthier. The reality, as the OP alluded to, is that everyone makes mistakes. It’s how we respond to them that really defines us as a person. I get it, IA’s can make an application difficult to be looked at, but it’s not the end of the world, and there are ways to move forward, as hard as they may be.
 
Don't want to falsely accuse anyone but...... OP kinda seems like a troll. You graduated cum laude? How's that possible if you cheated twice.... schools usually don't give latin honors to people with academic misconduct. And how does a smart guy with a 3.7 from an Ivy League take 3 tries to get a 515 on the MCAT? I dunno man.... just seems fishy. But you do you!


TW: Suicide

Me: MCAT 515 after three retakes, GPA: 3.7. I have four publications from my undergrad and gap years, Went to a top undergrad, cum laude, tutor, teaching assistant, etc, etc.

To everyone around me for years, I was considered a model student. In fact, my department from undergrad awarded me the faculty award when I was graduating. People were absolutely sure that I was going to one day make something of myself.

However, three years after graduation, I was still asking for letters of recommendation from those same professors because I was a cheat.

I was an engineering major in college. It was really hard and there was one class that really made me struggle. At that point in my life, I was too arrogant and stupid to ask for help. I wanted to prove to myself how smart I am by "passing". No one ever said I was smart. The pressure got to me and I cheated.

I received two violations in the same class during my sophomore year. They occurred two weeks apart and to tell you that I was distraught would be an understatement. When the first one occurred, I knew my life was over.

When the second violation happened, my entire lift fell apart right then and there. It was a kind of low that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I went on SDN and reddit and everyone told me that my life was OVER! As I scoured SDN for hope, I couldn't find anything. My thoughts were confirmed, my life was OVER. I was hospitalized for a suicide attempt, where the doctors all assumed I was a medical student (nice stab in the heart). In the moment, I didn't know how I would come back from it.

For a while, I gave up on a future. SDN and those in the IA office at school made me feel like a monster for making a mistake. I felt like the scarlett letter, like I shouldn't be allowed to be someone with potential. The feeling really messed with me and when I had to go back to school, I struggled. My usual go-getter attitude was lost. I didn't know how to get back to normal. The next two semesters were all tears and struggle. I felt like I hard to take apart a brick wall with my bare hands. I needed a break. So, I went away for six months on an internship (co-op) and it was the best experience of my life! It was a new environment and I had mentors who actually believed in me. It helped me get on my feet.

So I went back to school re-energized. I got straight As after returning and I had a sense of fire me in me that couldn't be vanquished. I knew what I had done, but I also knew that what I had done was a mistake. Doctors, lawyers, etc make mistakes all the time. You're telling me that I have to be perfect to be a doctor and that I will never be capable of learning from my mistakes!! So, I went back at my dream of being a doctor. I pursued a MS that went with my BS that would give me some more time to raise my GPA. I pursued teaching assistant roles and resident assistant roles so I could be a support system for other students like me. I even wrote a proposal to my school to provide more structured support to students with IAs so they don't feel like how I felt. My IA changed my life.

We need to change how we look at IAs. I get that certain things are beyond fixing but some things are! We need to see IAs as just a mistake and an opportunity for growth. I would not be the person I am today without this specific challenge. No matter how proud of myself I have been since, I have only been felt to feel like a villain for my actions without any chance of reparations.

So after one year after undergrad, I finally mustered up the courage to apply to medical school. I worked as EMT and in research during my gap year and really focused all of my essays on who I wanted be and how my experiences have shaped me. Honestly, my EMS experience has had such an impact on me. I got two interviews from MD programs and yesterday I got my first acceptance.

I found out in my gym's parking lot. I cried for about 10 minutes.

People deserve second chances.
 
I think a good take away from OP’s story is that comments like “an IA is a death sentence” is a dangerous statement to make and you may be incurring harm by saying that to students who place their whole life worth in their grades.

Instead of advising people they are dead for making an academic mistake, advising on how to prove you can move beyond that mistake would be better and healthier. The reality, as the OP alluded to, is that everyone makes mistakes. It’s how we respond to them that really defines us as a person. I get it, IA’s can make an application difficult to be looked at, but it’s not the end of the world, and there are ways to move forward, as hard as they may be.
While I agree that a person can atone for their IAs, in no way can cheating be considered "making an academic mistake", especially in the case of the OP who did it twice. Sorry, that is just not correct and to say otherwise is being ignorant. You don't mistakenly cheat.

To the OP, very glad you were accepted, now learn from your past and never repeat.
 
Don't want to falsely accuse anyone but...... OP kinda seems like a troll. You graduated cum laude? How's that possible if you cheated twice.... schools usually don't give latin honors to people with academic misconduct. And how does a smart guy with a 3.7 from an Ivy League take 3 tries to get a 515 on the MCAT? I dunno man.... just seems fishy. But you do you!
Some Ivys will give graduation awards to people with an IA. But most who get an cheating violation (at least at my school) either get a lengthy suspension or expulsion.If it happened twice, there is no doubt ir would end in expulsion.
 
Curious that the WAMC messages from this same poster did not mention the two IAs. Seems to be dishonest then or dishonest now... or both... not sure what is going on here.

This whole situation is very curious. They received an IA, came to the crushing realization that their "life was over" and then promptly decided to cheat again the very next week? I noticed there was no mention of any punishment for these back-to-back transgressions. OP must have gone to an extremely forgiving undergraduate institution, because mine would have expelled you after your second IA in two weeks.

I additionally find it quite strange that, despite claiming to be so deeply concerned about the well-being of other applicants who have repeatedly cheated, the OP offers exactly zero actionable advice on how to overcome such an obstacle when applying. You would think that they would have lots of wisdom to offer others in their situation beyond "SDN is so mean! Don't listen to them!!!! You can do it!!!!!!!", but no.

There's no mention of how their LOR writers addressed the cheating. There's no mention of how they framed their academic dishonesty on their primary application and secondaries. There's no mention of how they discussed their IAs when the topic came up in interviews.

I, too, noticed that this poster neglected any mention of their IAs in their WAMC post history, and found that very interesting as well.

All I'm gathering from the original post is that the OP is more interested in having a go at SDN than actually assisting others. This whole thing reads like a creative writing exercise, if I'm honest.

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