"A" student at school, but ******ed in clinic....Help me!

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I did good on the exams in the first 2 years.
But when I am in clinic I feel I am ******ed, when put under the spot, i tend to forget things..... is this normal?
Do people review there 1st, 2nd, 3rd year notes before going out to clerkships?
 
Basic sciences have their place for research, etc, but besides anat, path, and pharm, those are mostly ancient history after you pass pt1 and start clinics. I don't mean to discount the didactics, and you certainly need biochem to understand path/pharm, histo to understand physio/micro, physio to understand pharm/path, etc. However, to excel in the transition from classroom to clinic, you need to start reading more on diagnosis and treatments for the pathologies we see most. Pay good attention in pod med, pod surg, physical diagnosis, radiology, etc... and you can never know/review too much anatomy.

As for getting put on the spot and freezing/blanking, that's just your personality and learning style. You will probably get more comfortable as you go along and gain knowledge, but a lot of students in medical fields are at least somewhat type A with crushing self defeat. Try to view attending questions as your chance to show what you know (or learn more if you don't know). You can be always quiet and reserved until you are more accustomed to clinical settings, but don't take that to the extreme where you look like a disinterested wallflower in clinic/clerkships. Never be afraid to say "I will look that up," jot a note, and do go look it up that night. I'm actually the opposite where I love to ask/answer questions, but that's just my learning style, which, like any style, has its own downsides too. It's all a matter of personality and how you learn well; you know what's gotten you this far.

With patinet interactions, you don't have to "fake it," but the best thing to do when you are green in clinic and talking to pts is to give pts broad, general statements and/or "let's ask Dr. X about that pain when he comes in, he sees a lot of these" until you get more comfortable. You will never go wrong deferring diagnosis and treatment questions to the attending/chief resident, etc (until the near future when you are a resident and on night/weekend call 🙂 ). The main thing to get from 3rd year is just a fundamental understanding of a good history and physical exam as well as the diagnosis and treaments of common pathologies in the lower extremity (heel pain, diabetic/neuropathic foot care, sprains/strains, bunions/hammertoes, PAD, bact/fungal pathology, neuromas, etc). You might not be able to make many confident diagnoses early on, but at least be able to tell the attending what the patient is complaining of, what meds they take, what medical problems they have, and how the basic physical exam looks (hint: use medical terms: "1cm focal necrotic posterior calcaneal ulcer with no palpable pulses and no constitutional symptoms," not "cut on the heel with some black stuff, looks bad." Attendings and residents are your backups, and most like (and are paid) to teach/help students; they have seen better/worse students than you, and they know what to expect. However, don't test their patience too much by not getting all the details you can and doing a systematic pt history and full lower extremity physical exam before presenting the case to them.

The less common stuff (pes planus/cavus, Charcot, neoplasms, rare derm stuff, fractures, etc) will be tough at first, but the good students will go find text/articles and read to learn from later that night while avg/poor students will just scratch their heads. The old Harkless saying "you see what you know" holds true, so get good at diagnostic exams and read up on common and not so common pathologies and their treatment options. Pocket Podiatrics is a good 2nd/3rd year pocket book, but then you need to move on to the PI manual, Chang/McGlamry texts, well chosen peer reviewed journal articles, ortho texts, etc.

GL, we've all been there 👍
 
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I did good on the exams in the first 2 years.
But when I am in clinic I feel I am ******ed, when put under the spot, i tend to forget things..... is this normal?
Do people review there 1st, 2nd, 3rd year notes before going out to clerkships?


i just wanted to make a comment about your post..

i was discussing this with a clinician the other the day. he was saying that getting an A in class doesn't always mean A clinical skills. I think that is part of the issue--there are many students who may have lesser grades than you but have better clinical skills. learn from them and don't think yourself to be better than others due to grades alone--a patient only sees a lab coat, not that A in pharm or whatever.

Don't get me wrong-many of my peers have good grades and great skills. many of these have had prior medical experience, more practice, or just feel comfortable with patients.

I also notice top students complaining they hate clinic because ..well, patients aren't multiple choice exams with one right answer. they aren't used to not knowing an answer or being chewed out, or having someone else tell them they are flat out wrong. those students are stubborn and they will learn eventually to adapt.

also what i see in clinic is average students start with what they see, and go for the most obvious diagnosis. example; in clinic last year we had a case. the more ..gifted students threw out zebras..the girl next to me (a C student) said gout. she was right, we were wrong. she didn't remember the mechanisms though, and said she'd look it up (which was a honest answer).

also what i notice is the students who seem to do better clinic wise treat the experience like a job. meaning, they have worked before, they know how to prioritize, find where things are, respect those around them, ask questions if they don't know something, ..they don't stand around talking or doing nothing, they are always using their time to see if the rooms have what they need, read up on procedures, anything. some students spend the down time brushing up on lower anatomy.

clinic is the one time where everyone is on the same playing field. until you get the DPM you still know nothing. we are there to learn and get better, and improve. relax and roll with it.
 
I hate to say it but it probably means you are not a real "A" student and your school practices grade inflation.

I don't buy the BS argument that smart people can be bad in clinic. If you actually learned the material you were supposed to, you would have a clue how to operate in a clinic.

Anytime I see someone with outstanding grades and low clinical competency, I assume that their GPA is in reality over inflated for some reason.

As a test... Ask yourself this, were you an "A" student in undergrad? If not, then you obviously know your answer as to why your clinical skills suck. I could care less about what some back woods pod school says about your pod grades.

:laugh:
 
I hate to say it but it probably means you are not a real "A" student and your school practices grade inflation.

I don't buy the BS argument that smart people can be bad in clinic. If you actually learned the material you were supposed to, you would have a clue how to operate in a clinic.

Anytime I see someone with outstanding grades and low clinical competency, I assume that their GPA is in reality over inflated for some reason.

As a test... Ask yourself this, were you an "A" student in undergrad? If not, then you obviously know your answer as to why your clinical skills suck. I could care less about what some back woods pod school says about your pod grades.

:laugh:

Although framed rather rudely, it is true that some schools (cough Ohio), do inflate their students GPAs quite dramatically, and it only hurts them in rotations and residency.
 
Although framed rather rudely, it is true that some schools (cough Ohio), do inflate their students GPAs quite dramatically, and it only hurts them in rotations and residency.


Ohio may inflate GPAs (according to sdn), but they still place their students in top notch residencies. Plus, Ohio has graduated some outstanding Pods (I have worked with some), unlike Western.




You can start talking smack about other schools when your school actually starts graduating pods.
 
...I don't buy the BS argument that smart people can be bad in clinic. If you actually learned the material you were supposed to, you would have a clue how to operate in a clinic...
I tend to agree here.^^

Yes, there are exceptions to every rule, and some ppl aren't great communicators or won't draw in a ton of patients/referrals. Still, by and large, gpa correlates to clinical skills (just like SAT correlates with undergrad gpa, MCAT correlates to grad med program performance, etc etc).

You always have to think a little different in the clinic, but you definitely have the background knowledge to begin with. The "well, I only learn by doing" stuff doesn't really hold up. If you haven't read about pathology and its signs, symptoms, etc, then how do you expect to recognize it in the clinic or hospital?

(once again) "You see what you know." -Harkless
 
Ohio may inflate GPAs (according to sdn), but they still place their students in top notch residencies. Plus, Ohio has graduated some outstanding Pods (I have worked with some), unlike Western.

You can start talking smack about other schools when your school actually starts graduating pods.

Glad I have your permission!
 
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