About USCE dates in ERAS

[lordman]

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I am IMG, I want to ask about USCE dates, you look at the dates we put in ERAS.

Is there a problem if I did clinical electives & clinical researches in the same date?

(doing research electives after finishing electives day work)

In other words, if I put :

Clinical Cardiology elective at XYZ university, Dates : 5/1/2010-7/1/2010

Clinical Gastroenterology researches at XYZ university, Dates : 5/1/2010-7/1/2010



1)Is there a problem?
2)Does the program director consider me that Iam not concentrated in one work ?
3)Do you consider them one USCE or two USCEs ?

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Additional question:

If I did 2 months surgery elective & 2 months internal medicine...Does this decrease my chances in Surgery bcz additional IM USCE & Vice Versa?




Thank you in advance & Merry Christmas

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I think you might be underestimating how hard you should work while you're on an elective. There is a good chance that you'll be working 12+ hour days. I doubt you'll have time for research in some other field.

Doing both IM and GS clinical work in the US might make some people question your interest in each field. Others will not care.

 

[lordman]

I think you might be underestimating how hard you should work while you're on an elective. There is a good chance that you'll be working 12+ hour days. I doubt you'll have time for research in some other field.

Doing both IM and GS clinical work in the US might make some people question your interest in each field. Others will not care.

Thank you very much for reply,
So as a Program director...
1) What do you prefer clinical electives at Middle to high ranked Univ like Emory/UAB or Clnicial research without patient contact at Johns Hopkins ?

2) Lors from Emory or UAB would be from normal instructors & assistant professors...Do you concern about the Tenure position ?

3) I asked you about doing 2 months medicine & doing 2 months surgery
since my University obligate us to do both surgery & medicine electives
the other thing, Since GS is very difficult in a good program for IMGs...IM would be a backup....If you have additional point after my explanation, it would be appreciated


Thank you very much...So sorry for many questions

 

[NotAProgDirector]

I think clinical experience would be much more helpful than research. In addition, the chance of getting anything significant in research done in 2 months is slim. The "tenure" level of your LOR writers doesn't matter.

If your school makes you do 2 months of each GS and IM, then that's what you should do. Just be aware that IM programs do not like being used for "backup"

 

[lordman]

Thank you again...You are great person

 

[lordman]

Some new questions...so sorry 🙂

1) Regarding USCE, which part of my application you look at to know my USCE experience ? Since some electives done as student...some USCE as a graduate..
I dont think that they have the same page in ERAS...so I fear that some USCE would be missed...

2) Regarding that you told me in the past reply that IM programs dont like to be as a back up...Is there any way to hide my Surgical experience to appear to these programs? I know I can specify Lors...but cv & experience would be the same copy for all programs...Is there any wa to hide ?
If I wrote in the Personal statement that my univ obligate us to do both surgical & IM electives...does this help me? or when IVs invitation they dont look at Personal Statement ?

3) Is GS in a good Univ program still difficult even If I am U.S born IMG (not caribbean) & good USMLE scores with electives ?

Thanks in advance

 

[NotAProgDirector]

Some new questions...so sorry 🙂

1) Regarding USCE, which part of my application you look at to know my USCE experience ? Since some electives done as student...some USCE as a graduate..
I dont think that they have the same page in ERAS...so I fear that some USCE would be missed...

Most IMG's list them as work experiences.

2) Regarding that you told me in the past reply that IM programs dont like to be as a back up...Is there any way to hide my Surgical experience to appear to these programs? I know I can specify Lors...but cv & experience would be the same copy for all programs...Is there any wa to hide ?
If I wrote in the Personal statement that my univ obligate us to do both surgical & IM electives...does this help me? or when IVs invitation they dont look at Personal Statement ?

You are correct that you only get one CV for all programs / specialties. Since you can make individual PS's for programs, explaining it there would be fine. We do review PS's when considering interviews.

3) Is GS in a good Univ program still difficult even If I am U.S born IMG (not caribbean) & good USMLE scores with electives ?

Yes. GS is competitive for all, moreso for IMG's. Many IMG's still match in GS, so it's not impossible.

 

[llsprings]

If one's USCE and LOR comes from a ped rotation instead of IM rotation, but one only applies to IM residency programs, what would IM PD feels? Not backup, I hope.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

No, not backup. IM and peds are mostly equivalent as far as competitiveness is concerned, or perhaps peds is less competitive.

But I would wonder why you would do a peds rotation only. After all the trouble of coming to the US and getting clinical training, why not do it in your field of interest? Given two candidates of equal caliber, I would choose to interview the one with IM experience over the peds experience.

 

[llsprings]

Happy New Year! The reason that I asked is in the case I do not obtain an IM rotation, as away rotation application has yet to be approved. I understand the value of clinical US LOR, so I was actually thinking of in an event of no IM LOR, apply for IM-prelim and/or TY for a year and apply again the following match. However, I read excerpts from Iserson's that suggest internship is something I probably don't want to repeat, and in your other posts on filtering mechanics, aPD, and what I saw on ERAS, that repeat applicants will be flagged, can PD filter out repeat applicants? What is PD's usual impression of repeat applicants, and what do the look for in them?

 

[lordman]

What about dates in LORs? Is it required to write the exact dates in the LOR or just like one month of June....?
Is defining start & end dates better that just saying one month of june 2009...or both have the same value ?

 

[NotAProgDirector]

As long as the letter accurately relates the time and role you played, along with your performance, that will be fine.

 

[lordman]

Thank you doctor