Academic Dishonesty

[soccerstud2005]

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My third year in college I had an incident in academic dishonesty for slight plagarism on a exp. design worth 3% of my grade in a neurolab. i received a zero on the assignment but I still got a B in the class.

do i need to admit to this in my application? and if so, am i screwed?

my gpa is a 3.1 and my MCAT is a 32

 

[Isoprop]

My third year in college I had an incident in academic dishonesty for slight plagarism on a exp. design worth 3% of my grade in a neurolab. i received a zero on the assignment but I still got a B in the class.

do i need to admit to this in my application? and if so, am i screwed?

my gpa is a 3.1 and my MCAT is a 32

yes, you need to disclose this. you still have a shot at acceptance.

see http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=482093

 

[ShyRem]

Not only do you "need" to disclose this incident, if you don't disclose it on your applications when they ask about any academic issues/incidents and they find out you failed to disclose the incident:
1. you could be kicked out of the medical school you gain acceptance to
2. you could be black-balled from further applications to any medical school in the US.

It would really really stink to get an acceptance just to be kicked out in your 3rd or 4th year of medical school for failure to disclose.

 

[moldovanits]

My third year in college I had an incident in academic dishonesty for slight plagarism on a exp. design worth 3% of my grade in a neurolab. i received a zero on the assignment but I still got a B in the class.

do i need to admit to this in my application? and if so, am i screwed?

my gpa is a 3.1 and my MCAT is a 32

is it on your record?

 

[1John5vs7]

My third year in college I had an incident in academic dishonesty for slight plagarism on a exp. design worth 3% of my grade in a neurolab. i received a zero on the assignment but I still got a B in the class.

do i need to admit to this in my application? and if so, am i screwed?

my gpa is a 3.1 and my MCAT is a 32

The ninth commandment says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." I suppose a literal interpretation would mean you shouldn't lie about other people, but the Bible is full of other examples where people lied about themselves and were wrong for doing so. I would fess up, my friend, and give it to God. Was it plagiarism done with intent, and if so, why? Address what caused you to do it and make sure that fault is no longer in you or you'll end up committing this kind of failure again in your life, but whereas in college it amounts to a zero on a test, in the medical field it could amount to fines, revocation of licensure, and possible imprisonment.

My advice is take it to God. He won't let you down if you do. I promise you that.

 

[matlabsux]

Is the incident a part of your official academic file? If not, he forget about at and leave it alone. If it is part of your academic file, then med schools will see it and you will need to explain it.

 

[moldovanits]

Is the incident a part of your official academic file? If not, he forget about at and leave it alone. If it is part of your academic file, then med schools will see it and you will need to explain it.

i agree i mean this is your career here. if they don't ask don't tell. if yes then go with god.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Lol, yeah go and take it to god.🙄 Anyways, like others said, if it's not on record, don't share it. Out of sight, out of mind.

 

[NontradICUdoc]

I believe on your application it asks you about this. If you do not answer this truthfully, you will be walking on pins and needles hoping that no one will ever find out. If you do get into medical school, do you think that this added stress will be good for you?

Search your feelings

 

[DrBombay]

I would hope that in the case that if an Honor Code violation has been recorded that it would show up on your transcript with an "X" or what have you. If the school doesn't do that or if you have doubts you can always call up the school and find out.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

As others have mentioned, you've really got to find out if the violation is actually "exposed" on your transcript, or if it's hidden elsewhere in your school's records. You also need to look into what your school's policy is on reporting violations to other institutions. I know some schools (often the armed forces academies, oddly enough) are legally unable to reveal violations like this to graduate schools. (For instance, my college (Case Western) has a policy of not placing honor code violations on people's transcripts unless they have committed more than two of them.) If after looking into this you find there is no way that such a violation will ever be revealed to the schools you are applying to, I would definitely leave it off your application.

 

[235009]

if you were sanctioned for it by the school somehow then you have to report it but if the prof just reduced your grade and didn't tell school officials then it never happened.

good luck....get your GPA up and you have a good shot at an MD school!

 

[DrFraud]

My third year in college I had an incident in academic dishonesty for slight plagarism on a exp. design worth 3% of my grade in a neurolab. i received a zero on the assignment but I still got a B in the class.

do i need to admit to this in my application? and if so, am i screwed?

my gpa is a 3.1 and my MCAT is a 32

Does your college have any due process or hearing process so that you had the opportunity to defend what you were accused of, or did the Prof. simply quesion you, give you a zero, and move on to other more pressing issues.

Some cases of academic dishonesty are not cut and dry as professional schools usually give their students accused of dishonesty an opportunity to review and scruitinize the accusions, sometimes successfully.

If you were not afforded this opportunity it matters as to whether you should admit to academic dishonesty unless you fully admit now that you plagarized in college ( or at the time that you were accused of it by your Prof. ) and want to have this burdon of guilt removed from your conscious.

 

[MissIntrigued]

As others have mentioned, you've really got to find out if the violation is actually "exposed" on your transcript, or if it's hidden elsewhere in your school's records. You also need to look into what your school's policy is on reporting violations to other institutions. I know some schools (often the armed forces academies, oddly enough) are legally unable to reveal violations like this to graduate schools. (For instance, my college (Case Western) has a policy of not placing honor code violations on people's transcripts unless they have committed more than two of them.) If after looking into this you find there is no way that such a violation will ever be revealed to the schools you are applying to, I would definitely leave it off your application.

Just cause it's not on your transcript, doesn't mean it's not on your academic record. Transcript is basically a listing of courses and grades. Academic record is EVERYTHING you ever did at school.

I called my undergrad yesterday to find out about an honor code violation I had ben found guilty of nearly a decade ago. It's still on my record. And thanks to modern technology, it's now computerized and the woman was able to look it up in about three seconds to find it, which means if an adcomm from a medical school decides to ask , they'll find it in two seconds as well.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

Just cause it's not on your transcript, doesn't mean it's not on your academic record. Transcript is basically a listing of courses and grades. Academic record is EVERYTHING you ever did at school.

I called my undergrad yesterday to find out about an honor code violation I had ben found guilty of nearly a decade ago. It's still on my record. And thanks to modern technology, it's now computerized and the woman was able to look it up in about three seconds to find it, which means if an adcomm from a medical school decides to ask , they'll find it in two seconds as well.

True. My point was that in some situations, the violation my not be noted anywhere within one's academic record...and even if it was the school may be legally unable to reveal such a violation to the adcoms.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

This thread is from nearly a year ago, and the OP hasn't been on SDN in over 5 months!

😆

 

[engineeredout]

This thread is from nearly a year ago, and the OP hasn't been on SDN in over 5 months!

😆

Damn, and I was just about to post a comment on how he should just go to confession because god will forgive your sins and the whole thing will just go away.

 

[ODorDO]

Damn, and I was just about to post a comment on how he should just go to confession because god will forgive your sins and the whole thing will just go away.

😆

I say we keep this going who knows another sinner is desperately seeking for God's guidance

 

[Semicolon]

Off-topic:

Could God get into an osteopathic medical school?

He might, but he would probably need to shadow a DO first. He does have an impressive list of ECs, however.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Off-topic:

Could God get into an osteopathic medical school?

He might, but he would probably need to shadow a DO first. He does have an impressive list of ECs, however.

Nah God's an MD ... Jesus was the one who was all about healing with hands and manipulation.





2300 posts ... this is moving from hobby to obsession.

 

[202781]

The ninth commandment says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." I suppose a literal interpretation would mean you shouldn't lie about other people, but the Bible is full of other examples where people lied about themselves and were wrong for doing so. I would fess up, my friend, and give it to God. Was it plagiarism done with intent, and if so, why? Address what caused you to do it and make sure that fault is no longer in you or you'll end up committing this kind of failure again in your life, but whereas in college it amounts to a zero on a test, in the medical field it could amount to fines, revocation of licensure, and possible imprisonment.

My advice is take it to God. He won't let you down if you do. I promise you that.

god does not exist and this is the worst advice I have ever heard...Not only that, I think it is dangerous.

 

[Semicolon]

god does not exist and this is the worst advice I have ever heard...Not only that, I think it is dangerous.

That's pretty harsh. Don't turn this into a debate on religion. 👎

And you make a very good point, Jagger. I hope that walking on water and turning water into wine (this could be particularly useful) is part of the curriculum. 😀

 

[COMedic2Doc]

That's pretty harsh. Don't turn this into a debate on religion. 👎

And you make a very good point, Jagger. I hope that walking on water and turning water into wine (this could be particularly useful) is part of the curriculum. 😀

Wow, Jagger 2300 posts in how long? Geez. Hmmmmm yep Jesus as a DO, and God as an MD sounds like a good combo to me. Not necessarily religious more spiritual here, just seen way too much to say there is no God, patients surviving when they shouldn't have (seems that the more chaotic the encounter the better the survival rate, hmmmm), myself living through stuff when I shouldn't have, yep there is a God. <getting off my soapbox now>

 

[Chocolate Bear]

This thread is about academic dishonesty, NOT how the OP can be absolved of his/her guilt over the issue. If you want to debate sociopolitical issues, try the Sociopolitical forum. 🙂

 

[engineeredout]

Reasons God was an MD:

• When god saw the evil in the world he decided to flood everything and start over. Sorta like curing the disease by killing the patient right? We all know how MDs don't care about patients and just want results.
• God requires insurance before undertaking any miracles for you (IE: your eternal soul)
• God was a gunner in med school. Hard to compete with a guy who throws lightning bolts at you for doing better than him.
• God wanted to become a dermatologist and was worried he couldn't match into it with a DO.
• God wanted to be a REAL doctor.
• Despite being omniscient, God was still worried about having to take two different licensing exams as a DO.
• God heard an MD say that a DO he knew was incompetant, therefore he reasoned that all DOs are idiots and don't actually learn medicine beyond hanging chickens over the fireplace and shaking rattles.
• Despite the fact that God actually grew up in Philadelphia, he was worried about not being able to get practice rights as a DO in Uzbekistan.

Reasons Jesus was a DO:

• Jesus was really a PCP, maybe in family medicine. He had a cure all type of approach. God is more like a specialist whom Jesus had to page when the **** really hit the fan.
• Jesus worked with his hands -> foundations of OMM
• Jesus walked on water. All DOs can walk on water.
• Jesus doesn't give a rats ass about what premeds think.
• Jesus wants us to eat his body and drink his blood? Certainly like some naturopathic folk remedy to me... Curing with holy water?? Thats like DO 101.
• Jesus hung out with hookers. You know thats why you're applying to DO schools too.
• Jesus worked for free. Every pre-DO is altruistic and planning to work in free clinics for their entire lives.

I've actually been retained to write the next chapter of the Bible.

 

[Semicolon]

You think the Romans didn't like the osteopathic philosophy then?

 

[JaggerPlate]

Wow engineered ... amazing post.


What about Satan??? Caribbean MD??? DDS???

Lucifer, DDS
Family Dentistry ... sounds about right??

 

[Semicolon]

Wow engineered ... amazing post.


What about Satan??? Caribbean MD??? DDS???

Lucifer, DDS
Family Dentistry ... sounds about right??

I'd say Lucifer, DVM. He loves his little demons.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I'd say Lucifer, DVM. He loves his little demons.

HAHAHA, I could see Satan having a soft spot for cats and other small animals ... at least the Satan on South Park (upon which I base my understanding).


Wheww this thread has gotten funny.

 

[ODorDO]

Wheww this thread has gotten funny.

True that, in order to keep this thread alive....

back to the dishonesty part, be sure to mention it ONLY if the application asks for it.

btw OP, good job on that MCAT! we have similar GPA, and ur score inspired me to study harder 👍