Academic vs. non-academic

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Can someone give me the run down on academic vs. private/non-academic medicine? Can you work at a big name academic institution and not do research? Also, why is the pay lower in academic positions?

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Can someone give me the run down on academic vs. private/non-academic medicine? Can you work at a big name academic institution and not do research? Also, why is the pay lower in academic positions?

Good thread, OP. I hope you get a lot of insightful responses from folks who've been there.
 
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Can someone give me the run down on academic vs. private/non-academic medicine? Can you work at a big name academic institution and not do research? Also, why is the pay lower in academic positions?

Academic medicine most generally means practicing in a place with infrastructure for research (facilities, IT, administrators, access to databases, etc) and/or teaching (associated with a medical school, ample opportunities to head services with residents on them, etc). Note you can obviously teach and be a private practice doc and you can be full-time clinical and work in an academic setting - it’s really about the institutional culture and the resources for those “extra-clinical” things that really makes the big difference (and leads to downstream differences).

Yes you can work at a big name academic place and not do research. Most docs at most academic hospitals do not conduct NIH funded research, and in my experience most really don’t publish all that much either. Also in my experience at multiple institutions, most people at academic centers align with the education mission more than the research mission. Similarly, you can do many types of research at non-academic places - you probably won’t be running cancer trials but retrospective studies, etc you likely could do (some call it being a “hobby researcher” where you’re unfounded but lead a study from time to time).

Lots of reasons pay is lower. Some include that teaching means taking time away from seeing more patients (revenue earning) and instead being with learners (not revenue earning). Often times academic places have higher overhead and administrative costs. Academic places also offer services that aren’t financially lucrative (like small subspecialties such as child metabolic clinic that don’t necessarily reimburse well at all) because they tend to be the tiertiary care centers, so they subsidize a lot of those services by borrowing from departments making more, kind of “evening out” salaries. Many more reasons than this but these are a few.

It’s obvious why researchers and educators choose academic systems, but why do many who are full-time clinical still work for academic systems vs private practice? Academic institutions handle everything (malpractice, scheduling, benefits, etc), you get to be in a very intellectual environment, often located in desirable cities, etc.
 
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Can someone give me the run down on academic vs. private/non-academic medicine? Can you work at a big name academic institution and not do research? Also, why is the pay lower in academic positions?
Academic medicine usually falls into main categories: research vs teaching. It is possible to focus purely on teaching at a major academic center; however, the general consensus is that being academically productive (i.e research) is usually the fastest way for promotion. AFAIK, almost all academic centers have a promotion track geared towards those focused on education, but even then, they often still have some sort of scholarly requirement to demonstrate 'clinical excellence' (e.g giving talks at other institutions, etc).

Salaries at academic centers are usually about 25%-35% lower (and even more for the most famous academic institutions). This is partially due to protected academic and administrative time, much more flexible work schedules, and also lost productivity related to research and educational activities (e.g I can run a service of 18 by myself; or I can supervise two senior residents and two interns for the same job -- the hospital is making the same amount of money in both scenarios). Of course, part of the "payment" also includes the soft benefits such as prestige, CV building, and being able to work at centers of excellence that attract patients with rare diseases (if that is your research or clinical interest).

I'm at an academic medical center mainly because of these perks: more time off, ability to work with medical students and residents, etc. The pay cut makes sense for me as it still ends up being a very comfortably salary. Hope this helps.
 
Academic medicine most generally means practicing in a place with infrastructure for research (facilities, IT, administrators, access to databases, etc) and/or teaching (associated with a medical school, ample opportunities to head services with residents on them, etc). Note you can obviously teach and be a private practice doc and you can be full-time clinical and work in an academic setting - it’s really about the institutional culture and the resources for those “extra-clinical” things that really makes the big difference (and leads to downstream differences).

Yes you can work at a big name academic place and not do research. Most docs at most academic hospitals do not conduct NIH funded research, and in my experience most really don’t publish all that much either. Also in my experience at multiple institutions, most people at academic centers align with the education mission more than the research mission. Similarly, you can do many types of research at non-academic places - you probably won’t be running cancer trials but retrospective studies, etc you likely could do (some call it being a “hobby researcher” where you’re unfounded but lead a study from time to time).

Lots of reasons pay is lower. Some include that teaching means taking time away from seeing more patients (revenue earning) and instead being with learners (not revenue earning). Often times academic places have higher overhead and administrative costs. Academic places also offer services that aren’t financially lucrative (like small subspecialties such as child metabolic clinic that don’t necessarily reimburse well at all) because they tend to be the tiertiary care centers, so they subsidize a lot of those services by borrowing from departments making more, kind of “evening out” salaries. Many more reasons than this but these are a few.

It’s obvious why researchers and educators choose academic systems, but why do many who are full-time clinical still work for academic systems vs private practice? Academic institutions handle everything (malpractice, scheduling, benefits, etc), you get to be in a very intellectual environment, often located in desirable cities, etc.
Thanks for the insightful response! So if you work in an academic setting but work full-time clinical without conducting research/teaching, do you still get the pay cut or is it the same pay as if you are working private practice?
 
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Academic medicine usually falls into main categories: research vs teaching. It is possible to focus purely on teaching at a major academic center; however, the general consensus is that being academically productive (i.e research) is usually the fastest way for promotion. AFAIK, almost all academic centers have a promotion track geared towards those focused on education, but even then, they often still have some sort of scholarly requirement to demonstrate 'clinical excellence' (e.g giving talks at other institutions, etc).

Salaries at academic centers are usually about 25%-35% lower (and even more for the most famous academic institutions). This is partially due to protected academic and administrative time, much more flexible work schedules, and also lost productivity related to research and educational activities (e.g I can run a service of 18 by myself; or I can supervise two senior residents and two interns for the same job -- the hospital is making the same amount of money in both scenarios). Of course, part of the "payment" also includes the soft benefits such as prestige, CV building, and being able to work at centers of excellence that attract patients with rare diseases (if that is your research or clinical interest).

I'm at an academic medical center mainly because of these perks: more time off, ability to work with medical students and residents, etc. The pay cut makes sense for me as it still ends up being a very comfortably salary. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info! The part I am still confused about is what differentiates solely the clinical work in an academic setting compared to non-academic?
 
Thanks for the insightful response! So if you work in an academic setting but work full-time clinical without conducting research/teaching, do you still get the pay cut or is it the same pay as if you are working private practice?

I’m sure there are exceptions, but generally you make much closer to an academic salary than a private practice salary.
 
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