Acceptance rescinded for grades?

[Anonysaurus Rex]

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Hello all!

I got an email from my school last week about my poor academic performance my senior year. I am accepted to a private school (MD) on the east coast. They set up a meeting for the end of July to discuss my grades, and weren't able to give me any more information than that. I will have to fly in just for this meeting.

I had a C- and several Bs during my final year, after acceptance, and had never had a C or B before that. I searched and found many threads about people who got a C, but because I got a C- when the agreement stated that I had to get a C or better in the rest of my coursework, my situation is a little different. Naturally I am panicking, especially given the meeting isn't until a month from now. Any experience with this?

Thanks.

 

[candbgirl]

You never had a C or B before this past year? What happened? That’s what the school will want to know. Have you been sick, family drama, what went wrong?

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

You never had a C or B before this past year? What happened? That’s what the school will want to know. Have you been sick, family drama, what went wrong?

I really don't have some kind of amazing excuse. I put off classes until this past year that I was less thrilled to take, so they weren't prerequisites, but would be considered "easy" classes. Other than that, it is a mix of me allowing myself to be okay with getting Bs and then getting a C- I wasn't anticipating.

 

[Potentia Virtus]

Yeah.... maybe don't say that.

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

Yeah.... maybe don't say that.

Right. Obviously, I only have myself to blame and not any illness or anything. The C- was a major bummer, but I honestly was okay with the Bs. Keep in mind, there were many As during the year, too. So it wasn't like I totally phoned it in. I just checked my transcript and have 2 Bs and the C-, plus 4 As for senior year.

 

[BarbecueGrills]

You've put enough information here for the school to be able to identify you. Perhaps not prove it but have a strong indication.

If they see this and then you change your story at the meeting, that's bad-bad.

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

You've put enough information here for the school to be able to identify you. Perhaps not prove it but have a strong indication.

If they see this and then you change your story at the meeting, that's bad-bad.

Thank you for the concern, but these are all facts that they already have access to. I don't have anything to hide, it's not like I was going to fake an illness. The fact that I was okay with getting two Bs and the fact that I got a C- are related, but separate. I never thought I'd get a grade that low and I honestly don't think my work merited that grade. If they think less of me for being okay with B grades after 3 years of straight As, then I suppose they will take away my acceptance.

I posted this to see if anyone has seen or heard of this and knows what I might expect. I am not and was not looking for ways to lie to or manipulate my school. If you think I should delete this, I will, but I don't think the things I've said make me look any worse than the C- already has.

 

[premed74]

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1) your matri


1) your matriculation agreement clearly states that you had to maintain C or better and you didnt
2) you also dropped your consistently apparently A/A- average to Bs
3) taken together this presents questions as to your current and continued commitment, ability, and discipline to the difficulty of medical education.
4) more importantly, this questions your maturity in the way you apparently slacked off senior year “allowing” yourself to get Bs
5) and you have no particular excuse, no illness, no family issues, no difficult class, no senior thesis, no reason whatsoever to do this explain other than your own bad judgement
6) and they are making you showup in person which would indcate that there are serious doubts as to your fitness to be in medical school. This appearance is not unlike being before a judge who decide innocence or guilt
7) my strong advice to you on how to approach this is to assume your acceptance no longer exists. Get it out of your head right now cause panicking and worrying about it will not help. You will have perhaps 15 minutes in front of this panel to be able to express your utter lack of judgement and your stupidity without even a hint of an excuse (and most student cannot do that) as well as express why they should admit you to this school
8) so you need to prepare and rehearse a short “mea culpa” and I mean practice it over and over and over again like your future depends on it because it does
9) you should read and read both your primary and secondary to the point that you can recite it almost verbatium and be able to summarize it in a paragraph or two
10) and if you think I am being harsh, be thankful you have a chance to present your case. Many years ago I had an acceptee who had a “senioritis” year with a few lower grades and got a letter in the mail saying acceptance had been rescinded.
11) this will be your one and only chance to present your case and you have no recourse if they rescind

Hello all!

I got an email from my school last week about my poor academic performance my senior year. I am accepted to a private school (MD) on the east coast. They set up a meeting for the end of July to discuss my grades, and weren't able to give me any more information than that. I will have to fly in just for this meeting.

I had a C- and several Bs during my final year, after acceptance, and had never had a C or B before that. I searched and found many threads about people who got a C, but because I got a C- when the agreement stated that I had to get a C or better in the rest of my coursework, my situation is a little different. Naturally I am panicking, especially given the meeting isn't until a month from now. Any experience with this?

Thanks.

There's no way a school would take this much effort and make someone fly in on their own merit just to reject them. My guess is that OP is fine. Some of these adcoms are just too neurotic.

 

[Kpw101]

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There's no way a school would take this much effort and make someone fly in on their own merit just to reject them. My guess is that OP is fine

*cough* interviews

Thousands of prospective students fly around the country each year to schools that are reaches for them. I don't think a school will have a problem dropping a student that they classify as a risk when they have a few more they can pluck from the waitlist.

This can be seen as a double-edged sword. If they were going to reject you why would they fly you in? But of course if you were going to be fine for sure, why didn't they just ask for an email explaining what happened?

All in all OP I think your best bet would be honesty and showing a sense of maturity to whomever you talk to. You've already proven that you deserve that seat in class. They just want to make sure they still have the same person taking that seat.

 

[tekkenman11]

You had one job...

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

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There's no way a school would take this much effort and make someone fly in on their own merit just to reject them. My guess is that OP is fine. Some of these adcoms are just too neurotic.

From your mouth to god's ears!

*cough* interviews

Thousands of prospective students fly around the country each year to schools that are reaches for them. I don't think a school will have a problem dropping a student that they classify as a risk when they have a few more they can pluck from the waitlist.

This can be seen as a double-edged sword. If they were going to reject you why would they fly you in? But of course if you were going to be fine for sure, why didn't they just ask for an email explaining what happened?

All in all OP I think your best bet would be honesty and showing a sense of maturity to whomever you talk to. You've already proven that you deserve that seat in class. They just want to make sure they still have the same person taking that seat.

My internal dialogue for the past week.

 

[premed74]

From your mouth to god's ears!



My internal dialogue for the past week.

You also have to remember that you were accepted, not some useless applicant. Acceptees shod be treated with respect, and if the school doesnt, screw them

 

[Robin-jay]

You also have to remember that you were accepted, not some useless applicant. Acceptees shod be treated with respect, and if the school doesnt, screw them

Everyone should be treated with respect...Applicants...interviewees...matriculants..

 

[bananafish94]

There is a 0% chance your school will rescind your acceptance for getting a C-. They are just trying to put the fear of God into you. Just be humble and apologetic and tell the truth and agree to whatever they tell you to do.

 

[premed74]

Everyone should be treated with respect...Applicants...interviewees...matriculants..

Meh, like it or not, applicants are useless to the school. If one sucks, just trash them and pick up a new one

 

[stubblesmcgee]

You need to have an explanation ready, and it needs to be better than "I didn't care very much". Did you get in really early in the cycle or later? Were you going to a lot of interviews? I've been out of school for a while, but juggling interviews made it difficult to stay on top of my work. That being said, don't try to excuse it. I'm with Gonnif; you need to be contrite.

 

[Robin-jay]

Meh, like it or not, applicants are useless to the school. If one sucks, just trash them and pick up a new one

You remind me of the scribe company I worked for.

I think your way of thinking is "meh".

 

[premed74]

You remind me of the scribe company I worked for.

I think your way of thinking is "meh".

Yeah but it's true. Ask any adcom and they'd give you the same response

 

[Stagg737]

1) your matriculation agreement clearly states that you had to maintain C or better and you didnt
2) you also dropped your consistently apparently A/A- average to Bs
3) taken together this presents questions as to your current and continued commitment, ability, and discipline to the difficulty of medical education.
4) more importantly, this questions your maturity in the way you apparently slacked off senior year “allowing” yourself to get Bs
5) and you have no particular excuse, no illness, no family issues, no difficult class, no senior thesis, no reason whatsoever to do this explain other than your own bad judgement
6) and they are making you showup in person which would indcate that there are serious doubts as to your fitness to be in medical school. This appearance is not unlike being before a judge who decides innocence or guilt
7) my strong advice to you on how to approach this is to assume your acceptance no longer exists. Get it out of your head right now cause panicking and worrying about it will not help. You will have perhaps 15 minutes in front of this panel to be able to express your utter lack of judgement and your stupidity without even a hint of an excuse (and most student cannot do that) as well as express why they should admit you to this school
8) so you need to prepare and rehearse a short “mea culpa” and I mean practice it over and over and over again like your future depends on it because it does
9) you should read and read both your primary and secondary to the point that you can recite it almost verbatium and be able to summarize it in a paragraph or two
10) and if you think I am being harsh, be thankful you have a chance to present your case. Many years ago I had an acceptee who had a “senioritis” year with a few lower grades and got a letter in the mail saying acceptance had been rescinded.
11) this will be your one and only chance to present your case and you have no recourse if they rescind

Holy balls, is this seriously how dramatic a lot of ADCOMs are? Considering rescinding an applicant's acceptance 2 B's and a C (that would have been expected to be 3 B's) because they enjoyed their life during senior year and that's a sign they might be a lazy med student or bad physician is legitimately insane. Especially because this is basically what 90% of medical students do during their MS4 year after the match and med schools don't even bat an eye at it. That whole thought process is ridiculously hypocritical when looked at with the reality of the medical education process.

To clarify, I'm not saying that this isn't a serious situation or that OP doesn't need to worry or explain what happened. I'm just pointing out that it would be completely ridiculous for the school to take back the acceptance for one C-. The only exception would be if there was a contract stating OP could not get any grades below a C, which would be news to me. Also, how do you know that this matriculation agreement specifically stated that? The only contracts like that I've heard of involved failing a course or not completing the degree, not getting a poor passing grade in a single class...

 

[Robin-jay]

Yeah but it's true. Ask any adcom and they'd give you the same response

I think many ADCOMs are a living meme in their own rights (there are good ones obviously).

You have accepted students that wouldn't even take an MCAT a second time if they had to, because that's too much of a burden, and they get accepted.

Then on the other hand you have people who have worked 10 years to get accepted to medical school, with advanced graduate/SMP/etc. degrees, thousands of hours of research and work experience (even health care), and 10 times the volunteering as their counterparts, still "barely accepted" or "not even accepted".

I think the good ADCOMs would respect applicants (give them solid advice on how to get accepted), interviewees, and matriculants.

 

[OneTwoThreeFour]

Holy balls, is this seriously how dramatic a lot of ADCOMs are? Considering rescinding an applicant's acceptance 2 B's and a C (that would have been expected to be 3 B's) because they enjoyed their life during senior year and that's a sign they might be a lazy med student or bad physician is legitimately insane. Especially because this is basically what 90% of medical students do during their MS4 year after the match and med schools don't even bat an eye at it. That whole thought process is ridiculously hypocritical when looked at with the reality of the medical education process.

To clarify, I'm not saying that this isn't a serious situation or that OP doesn't need to worry or explain what happened. I'm just pointing out that it would be completely ridiculous for the school to take back the acceptance for one C-. The only exception would be if there was a contract stating OP could not get any grades below a C, which would be news to me. Also, how do you know that this matriculation agreement specifically stated that? The only contracts like that I've heard of involved failing a course or not completing the degree, not getting a poor passing grade in a single class...

Honestly it isn't the act of getting a C-. I've green-lit plenty of applicants with D's and F's as well in their academic career. but when someone goes to a school with an acceptance agreement with the clause (as OP put it) "when the agreement stated that I had to get a C or better in the rest of my coursework" and doesn't put in the work to stay at that level? That's not adcoms being holier than thou. That's an applicant throwing up a big ol' red flag.

By the way, you're only sort of right about the MS4 thing. I had to do 3 months of clinical rotations between December and May and I had to pass them. And I passed them because it was important enough for me to continue to residency that I kept my performance above an agreed upon level.

 

[Robin-jay]

Holy balls, is this seriously how dramatic a lot of ADCOMs are? Considering rescinding an applicant's acceptance 2 B's and a C (that would have been expected to be 3 B's) because they enjoyed their life during senior year and that's a sign they might be a lazy med student or bad physician is legitimately insane. Especially because this is basically what 90% of medical students do during their MS4 year after the match and med schools don't even bat an eye at it. That whole thought process is ridiculously hypocritical when looked at with the reality of the medical education process.

To clarify, I'm not saying that this isn't a serious situation or that OP doesn't need to worry or explain what happened. I'm just pointing out that it would be completely ridiculous for the school to take back the acceptance for one C-. The only exception would be if there was a contract stating OP could not get any grades below a C, which would be news to me. Also, how do you know that this matriculation agreement specifically stated that? The only contracts like that I've heard of involved failing a course or not completing the degree, not getting a poor passing grade in a single class...

This whole situation is exactly what I'd expect from Admission Committees. I've went through several tough situations when going through the application process. I don't know why this surprises you. A "C-" in a prereq. alone is automatic rejection. I don't have C-'s, and I've been drilled about grades such as "B" range grades in chemistry 600 level courses.

I'm 10000% glad I've been accepted and get to be a physician now. But I felt like I had many battles to face. 10,000 hours of research with research publications hardly make a dent in the application process. Starting a non-profit health organization (as the founder and leader) that still runs for the university today grossing several thousands over the years for the underserved hardly puts a dent in the application process.

It's a true battle.

 

[Stagg737]

"when the agreement stated that I had to get a C or better in the rest of my coursework"

By the way, you're only sort of right about the MS4 thing. I had to do 3 months of clinical rotations between December and May and I had to pass them. And I passed them because it was important enough for me to continue to residency that I kept my performance above an agreed upon level.

I missed the part about the agreement stating a C or better was required. Definitely a more clear-cut issue then, but still kind of a ridiculous policy imo.

Everyone still has to do clinical rotations, but 90% of the time or more they're a complete joke. You basically show up and get the pass. Sometimes you don't even have to stay the full day or the attendings just give you days off. That's what I was referring to with the hypocrisy: that a school would expect high performance even as a senior in UG and claim that anything less is a sign they'll be a bad doctor (Burnett's Law anyone?), then allow MS4s to completely slack off and still pass them.

 

[Goro]

Holy balls, is this seriously how dramatic a lot of ADCOMs are? Considering rescinding an applicant's acceptance 2 B's and a C (that would have been expected to be 3 B's) because they enjoyed their life during senior year and that's a sign they might be a lazy med student or bad physician is legitimately insane. Especially because this is basically what 90% of medical students do during their MS4 year after the match and med schools don't even bat an eye at it. That whole thought process is ridiculously hypocritical when looked at with the reality of the medical education process.

To clarify, I'm not saying that this isn't a serious situation or that OP doesn't need to worry or explain what happened. I'm just pointing out that it would be completely ridiculous for the school to take back the acceptance for one C-. The only exception would be if there was a contract stating OP could not get any grades below a C, which would be news to me. Also, how do you know that this matriculation agreement specifically stated that? The only contracts like that I've heard of involved failing a course or not completing the degree, not getting a poor passing grade in a single class...

Honestly it isn't the act of getting a C-. I've green-lit plenty of applicants with D's and F's as well in their academic career. but when someone goes to a school with an acceptance agreement with the clause (as OP put it) "when the agreement stated that I had to get a C or better in the rest of my coursework" and doesn't put in the work to stay at that level? That's not adcoms being holier than thou. That's an applicant throwing up a big ol' red flag.

By the way, you're only sort of right about the MS4 thing. I had to do 3 months of clinical rotations between December and May and I had to pass them. And I passed them because it was important enough for me to continue to residency that I kept my performance above an agreed upon level.

Somebody gets it.

For the rest of you who don't, we on on the Adcom are the only thing between the OP and patients. We're not being dramatic, or omn a power trip. We have to teach these students and we damn well want people who understand what their responsibilities are. It's bad enough that we (and I am talking about ALL med schools) have students who goof off on clinicals and then get their asses hauled in front of their Student Advancement Committee (or whatever Professionalism Committees are called).

At my school, we'd probably require the OP to take a gap year and retake that course and get a C or better. That's a lost year of clinician's salary.

And for those of you who are ignorant of the application/acceptance/matriculation process, spare us.

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

Somebody gets it.

For the rest of you who don't, we on on the Adcom are the only thing between the OP and patients. We're not being dramatic, or omn a power trip. We have to teach these students and we damn well want people who understand what their responsibilities are. It's bad enough that we (and I am talking about ALL med schools) have students who goof off on clinicals and then get their asses hauled in front of their Student Advancement Committee (or whatever Professionalism Committees are called).

At my school, we'd probably require the OP to take a gap year and retake that course and get a C or better. That's a lost year of clinician's salary.

And for those of you who are ignorant of the application/acceptance/matriculation process, spare us.

I'm more than willing to take a gap year and retake the course. I understand that I messed up.

 

[mwsapphire]

This guy got mostly A's and B's, I don't think that 1 C- will matter.....bc his gpa is still like 3.4 ish or something, right? Shouldn't that 1 C- be seen as an outlier?

 

[Robin-jay]

This guy got mostly A's and B's, I don't think that 1 C- will matter.....bc his gpa is still like 3.4 ish or something, right? Shouldn't that 1 C- be seen as an outlier?

Schools loathe "C", grades, especially a "C-", even more so especially when the medical school said "just don't get a C- or lower and we'll accept you".

I repeat, I've been asked about "B" grades in advanced quantum chemistry 600 at both DO and Podiatry interviews. Why on Earth would an MD school see a "C-" as that forgivable, especially in this circumstance.

I think the OP has a perfectly fine shot, but here is a bit of personal experience:

I spent several years trying to get accepted before I was given an interview (I even earned a masters chemistry degree), and then luckily an acceptance. This BARELY happened. I BARELY scraped by the process to become a physician. A "C-" as a senior is not only dangerous because its a GPA-killer, but also because you destroyed the upward trend.

OP would be fortunate to get a chance to repeat the course and have a deferred acceptance to the following year. That would almost be a fantasy scenario. Its a war zone out there, and many people spend 50-80k on an SMP degree, do thousands of hours of research and volunteering, and do much more more to recover from a "C-".

It may sound dramatic but its very true.

 

[Pasmal]

If and when you get past this issue, keep in mind that you are now THAT first-year until someone else takes the mantle. You will be watched like a hawk, and if they ever want to kick you out they only need one mistake and can refer back to this issue to show a "trend." Don't mess it up.

 

[Stagg737]

I repeat, I've been asked about "B" grades in advanced quantum chemistry 600 at both DO and Podiatry interviews. Why on Earth would an MD school see a "C-" as that forgivable, especially in this circumstance.

How strong was the rest of your app? I got multiple interviews in my first cycle with a D and ~5 C's on my transcript and also had multiple interviews (DO and MD) during my final cycle after getting a master's. Schools don't like C's but they're certainly not the kiss of death that some people seem to think it is if you're well-rounded. You sure those schools were questioning your B in quantum chemistry and not just interested in why you actually took the class, as it sounds like a pretty intense subject.

 

[Med Ed]

Hello all!

I got an email from my school last week about my poor academic performance my senior year. I am accepted to a private school (MD) on the east coast. They set up a meeting for the end of July to discuss my grades, and weren't able to give me any more information than that. I will have to fly in just for this meeting.

I had a C- and several Bs during my final year, after acceptance, and had never had a C or B before that. I searched and found many threads about people who got a C, but because I got a C- when the agreement stated that I had to get a C or better in the rest of my coursework, my situation is a little different. Naturally I am panicking, especially given the meeting isn't until a month from now. Any experience with this?

Thanks.

This may be the oldest question on SDN.

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

This may be the oldest question on SDN.

I did utilize the search function, but I couldn't find any examples of people who actually had lower than a C or were called in for a meeting.

Anyway, this thread has been a roller coaster. I will be sure to let you all know how it goes in case anyone else ever finds themself in this situation.

 

[Robin-jay]

How strong was the rest of your app?

Chemistry masters degree (with thesis)
4-6,000+ hours of chemistry research at the Grad. level
Research publications
Research posters/presentations
Several hundred non-profit volunteering hours, as a leader of the health organization
15 or so chemistry university courses taught (including organic chem.)
Above average for Pod/average for DO/below average MD for MCAT (maybe ok for low tier MD for example)
Clinical experience as an employed scribe, CNA, etc.
3.7+ masters degree chemistry GPA ("B" range advanced quantum chemistry hurt, everything else was "A" range)
chemistry employment at the university (not for research or teaching, but for organizing chemistry lab rooms with equipment, etc.)

I know I have a lot more, its been a while since I looked at my app, especially since now I've been accepted. As far as the schools interest in my grades, they asked me questions pertaining grade trends. I suppose if a transcript has only a single "B" and all else "A's", then maybe its not a surprise they asked about it. I don't think they were "drilling" me for it, but definitely "asked about it".

I battled and fought my way into an acceptance. I was thinking of taking an additional SMP program to further increasing my application stats. But after my very few interviews, and I am happy where I'm at now.

I look back at my path and its been a difficult one, but I look back at people with 10+ years of attempting to make it into medical school who have done way more, and I think I got off easy.

So it blows my mind when people have a "C-", after being told to not do that, still get a meeting and a chance. They may even get to retake the course and just wait a gap year.

I hope the OP succeeds, nothing against the OP at all. I truly and genuinely want the OP to be accepted. My frustration lies more within the process.

When I see someone with 10+ years of medical health care experience in hospital, advanced degrees like engineering/physics/biomedical science, etc., and thousands or research hour and volunteering hours not get any leeway, but the student who wouldn't even take the MCAT twice get accepted (it would be too much of a burden to take it twice), is almost unfathomable.

And this was all for DPM/DO level. I can't even imagine what I would have to do for MD.

 

[frog301]

1 of my friends in undergrad was accepted to a state school MD program as a traditional applicant; was kind of in the same boat as you. He started slacking during his senior year, and the MD program sent him an email saying if he finished with a 'C' on any of his senior coursework, they'd rescind the application. So yes it does happen....

 

[frog301]

Chemistry masters degree (with thesis)
4-6,000+ hours of chemistry research at the Grad. level
Research publications
Research posters/presentations
Several hundred non-profit volunteering hours, as a leader of the health organization
15 or so chemistry university courses taught (including organic chem.)
Above average for Pod/average for DO/below average MD for MCAT (maybe ok for low tier MD for example)
Clinical experience as an employed scribe, CNA, etc.
3.7+ masters degree chemistry GPA ("B" range advanced quantum chemistry hurt, everything else was "A" range)
chemistry employment at the university (not for research or teaching, but for organizing chemistry lab rooms with equipment, etc.)

Are you in a DPM or a DO program..? I'm sure you already know this, but ugrad GPA is generally standard (which wasn't indicated), gGPA is harder to compare, and MCAT is the equalizer.

 

[Robin-jay]

Are you in a DPM or a DO program..? I'm sure you already know this, but ugrad GPA is generally standard (which wasn't indicated), gGPA is harder to compare, and MCAT is the equalizer.

I have more than one acceptance to various programs and am lining up the pros and cons. Although I certainly have the place in mind, I don't what to mention the school name.

My ugrad. is very average. It is well over 3.0+, but I don't remember the exact number. That was 4+ years ago at this point, and although relevant, not even close to relevant of my current abilities shown in chemistry graduate school. MCAT is a good equalizer, and I did average on it. I didn't blow it out of the water, but it was decent. Maybe the verbal was too low for MDs (but Ive seen MD students with my score all the time), but perfectly fine for DOs.

Also a state issue, if I had been born in certain states, my chances would have sky rocketed. I was born in a terrible state for medical schools.

 

[Stagg737]

Chemistry masters degree (with thesis)
4-6,000+ hours of chemistry research at the Grad. level
Research publications
Research posters/presentations
Several hundred non-profit volunteering hours, as a leader of the health organization
15 or so chemistry university courses taught (including organic chem.)
Above average for Pod/average for DO/below average MD for MCAT (maybe ok for low tier MD for example)
Clinical experience as an employed scribe, CNA, etc.
3.7+ masters degree chemistry GPA ("B" range advanced quantum chemistry hurt, everything else was "A" range)
chemistry employment at the university (not for research or teaching, but for organizing chemistry lab rooms with equipment, etc.)

I know I have a lot more, its been a while since I looked at my app, especially since now I've been accepted. As far as the schools interest in my grades, they asked me questions pertaining grade trends. I suppose if a transcript has only a single "B" and all else "A's", then maybe its not a surprise they asked about it. I don't think they were "drilling" me for it, but definitely "asked about it".

I battled and fought my way into an acceptance. I was thinking of taking an additional SMP program to further increasing my application stats. But after my very few interviews, and I am happy where I'm at now.

I look back at my path and its been a difficult one, but I look back at people with 10+ years of attempting to make it into medical school who have done way more, and I think I got off easy.

So it blows my mind when people have a "C-", after being told to not do that, still get a meeting and a chance. They may even get to retake the course and just wait a gap year.

I hope the OP succeeds, nothing against the OP at all. I truly and genuinely want the OP to be accepted. My frustration lies more within the process.

When I see someone with 10+ years of medical health care experience in hospital, advanced degrees like engineering/physics/biomedical science, etc., and thousands or research hour and volunteering hours not get any leeway, but the student who wouldn't even take the MCAT twice get accepted (it would be too much of a burden to take it twice), is almost unfathomable.

And this was all for DPM/DO level. I can't even imagine what I would have to do for MD.

Idk, I got MD ii's with a D and ~5 C's after I finished my master's. Not saying that anyone with my stats would get in without other significant pluses, but getting a C or 2 isn't a disaster for most people if the rest of your app is solid and you're willing to apply broadly. Though it certainly does not help.

 

[frog301]

I have more than one acceptance to various programs and am lining up the pros and cons. Although I certainly have the place in mind, I don't what to mention the school name.

My ugrad. is very average. It is well over 3.0+, but I don't remember the exact number. That was 4+ years ago at this point, and although relevant, not even close to relevant of my current abilities shown in chemistry graduate school. MCAT is a good equalizer, and I did average on it. I didn't blow it out of the water, but it was decent. Maybe the verbal was too low for MDs (but Ive seen MD students with my score all the time), but perfectly fine for DOs.

Also a state issue, if I had been born in certain states, my chances would have sky rocketed. I was born in a terrible state for medical schools.

Man you have every excuse in the book. 😕

For having a low MCAT and low ugrad GPA, you probably got auto-screened out for some schools... Why did you choose a chemistry program, rather than a SMP at a school that guarantees interview/acceptance? 😕 If you're so confident of your "current abilities," why didn't you retake the MCAT since your score was only "decent" and not competitive? 😕 And just because you might have been born in X state, doesn't mean you can just throw all the blame on that factor. Imagine if you showed up to an interview and told that to an ADCOM 😕 No, you play with the cards you've been dealt, instead of blaming the other players...

 

[Oso]

Damn, that sucks OP. I know you messed up, but I still feel for you. I hope you learn from this while being able to keep your acceptance.

 

[Robin-jay]

For having a low MCAT and low ugrad GPA, you probably got auto-screened out for some school

Average is NOT low.

Why did you choose a chemistry program, rather than a SMP at a school that guarantees interview/acceptance? 😕

Chemistry graduate school is just as hard, shows your abilities, and you get free tuition and annual stipends to teach. I gained money by chemistry graduate school.

I would have had to spend 50-80k total for an SMP.

If you're so confident of your "current abilities," why didn't you retake the MCAT since your score was only "decent" and not competitive? 😕

Chemistry graduate school is a 80+ hour a week gig. I did fine on the MCAT, it was competitive. If it wasn't, I wouldn't have been interviewed. But I was interviewed and accepted.

And just because you might have been born in X state, doesn't mean you can just throw all the blame on that factor.

It's not all the blame, but it is ONE factor.

Imagine if you showed up to an interview and told that to an ADCOM 😕 No, you play with the cards you've been dealt, instead of blaming the other players...

I owned any imperfections I had with my application, and was humble even with any successes.

Man you have every excuse in the book. 😕

The point flew way over your head.

 

[Robin-jay]

Idk, I got MD ii's with a D and ~5 C's after I finished my master's. Not saying that anyone with my stats would get in without other significant pluses, but getting a C or 2 isn't a disaster for most people if the rest of your app is solid and you're willing to apply broadly. Though it certainly does not help.

We each had our own experiences. I fought tooth and nail. It was a true fight and took me many battles before I could win the war.

I do not wish the application process among my worst enemies.

 

[Kingsmen2018]

boi

 

[GregPikitis]

You mentioned that you didn't feel you deserved a C- in the course. Is it possible to speak with the professor and get the grade changed? I was able to petition from an A- to an A before. Maybe you can get the C- to a C. I don't think it would hold off on the meeting, but if your contract states you can't fall below a C-, it would help in that regard.

 

[Anonysaurus Rex]

UPDATE:

Happy day, SDN. I get to keep my acceptance. The meeting went well, I explained as best I could what happened and they told me that there are resources to help in med school if I feel myself slipping. They were more than fair to me, and I am grateful.

 

[Isoval]

UPDATE:

Happy day, SDN. I get to keep my acceptance. The meeting went well, I explained as best I could what happened and they told me that there are resources to help in med school if I feel myself slipping. They were more than fair to me, and I am grateful.

That’s good to hear!!

 

[Goro]

UPDATE:

Happy day, SDN. I get to keep my acceptance. The meeting went well, I explained as best I could what happened and they told me that there are resources to help in med school if I feel myself slipping. They were more than fair to me, and I am grateful.

😍😍

 

[Catalystik]

UPDATE:

Happy day, SDN. I get to keep my acceptance. The meeting went well, I explained as best I could what happened and they told me that there are resources to help in med school if I feel myself slipping. They were more than fair to me, and I am grateful.

Congrats. And thanks for letting us know the outcome.

 

[bananafish94]

UPDATE:

Happy day, SDN. I get to keep my acceptance. The meeting went well, I explained as best I could what happened and they told me that there are resources to help in med school if I feel myself slipping. They were more than fair to me, and I am grateful.

Told you! Have fun in med school.

 

[Oso]

Hooray!!! Time to party

I mean, no. Time to study.