Originally posted by Rural:
URM also means a person who doesn't work very hard but still gets in medical school. Then they argue that they will make great doctors. I don't think it matters that they will make great doctors.
If it doesn't matter if they will be great doctors, then what does!
Rural:
the ONLY reason they getin is b/c of their skin color. Ohters who are not the "right" color never get a chance to prove themelves b/c of these unqualified space fillers.
Got me there. I guess it took PCOM 3 years to figure out my ethnicity.
Rural:
Then they have Elitists like Emily on this board who will justify anything blacks do..Emily 70-80% African-ameriicans are born out of wedlock..Do you think they make "kckass" fathers or should just overlook that.....
Look Emily is a wonderful person who was trying to assist a group of minority students to put forth stats deserving of medical school admission. That sounds contradictory to your view of her. Oh, and 25% is the number you meant to say.
But really Rural, don't get me wrong. I'm not mad at you at all. Your posts were too full of emotion for me to claim you as an ignorant racist. You obviously believe yourself, which probably has a lot to do with lack of exposure.
Truth is AA works for a variety of people, not just blacks. And as for blacks, we only comprise 6% of all allopathic medical students. That's really not that impressive or reverse discriminatory.
Rural:
As a lower middle class student who busted his ass through every step of my education past I'm greatly offended a bunch of blacks are walked through this whole medschool processes. Why are there all these summer programs for minorties? Why can we all have the advantage of going to such programs.
This has a lot to do with the sad reality that different ethnic groups disproportionately receive different degrees of pre-collegiate education. Although, this has a lot to do with the even sadder fact that the US still is geographically segregated. ( The historical past of this country DID lead to this.) Still it's what we must deal with. ( As a side note, there are many non-URMs living in academically underserved communities, who have the same issues but are largely ignored.)
Why is the avg mcat at Howard, Mehary less than 24? Why is the avg gpa for blacks at every medical school much lower than whites and asians? Why must I go to a low tier med school while a black with my stats got into Yale? Yeah he must be so unique, my ass..
IMHO, any school with less than an MCAT of 24 obviously wanted it that way. An I'm pretty sure that many medical students in several rural based primary care schools can agree with me on that. Personally, I think it's very noble for any academic institution to give a blinds eye to popular opinion and just concentrate on serving society.
For any one that's interested here's an article by the American Psychological Association that ascribes the role of AA in our society. ( warning: it's a little long) A very good read!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.apa.org/ppo/aa.html
Rural:
. I laugh when Emily points out that Race is a factor, REALLY Emily. What if you're indian, chinese, french then is race a factor or is it only if you're black. Emily what do you think of Indian immgrants who come here and their parents work 12 hours a day just at $8/hr just so they can get by. Do you think these people would make "kickass" doctors? Or the chinese immgrant who has to work 7 hours after school everyday in his parents restaurent so they can make a livin then goes hime and studies and speaks chinese at home. Is he or he going to be a "kickass" doctor. I think we should have some way to evaluate a person't background and take that into consideration when making a decesion about admission not just the color of their skin as AA is right now.
Affirmitive action does include immigrants. Here's proof. I don't think this applies directly to medical school, but it is true!
Here's proof:
http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimrobb/affirmative.html
In my opinion, people ARE different. Each ethnic group has it's own culture that has it's own unique way of sculpting that group. Most people ( once again IMHO) do not have the ability to fully realize every single detail about a different groups actions, nor can many people from a particular group really describe themselves in detail. Something's you just know and feel.
This is where diversity comes in. The medical field has to be able to accomodate society, not the other way around. If we only see fit to be readily available for ,let's say, 90% of society, then the other 10 will go extinct just for the sake of a handful of medical school slots. "Hey, Blu.. Those are harsh words, no group in this great country of ours is dying out or suffering badly from a lack of medical care."
quote:
Native American life expectancy 46
Non-Native American life expectancy 70
http://www.miquelon.net/usa/people.html
In good faith
bluphilosopher
PCOM 2005