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ACFAS had one job...they couldn’t do it

If you want to educate the public on what podiatry is then you have to use the “P” word. Instead the video continues to refer to the podiatrists as “foot and ankle surgeons”.

The lay person will be confused and think we are orthopedists in this video.

We shouldn’t shy away from calling ourselves podiatrists. Because that’s what we are...no matter how much surgery you do...

You’re still a podiatrist homie

Foot & Ankle Surgeon Video for Patients - ACFAS

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My school has shoved foot and ankle surgeon down our throats from the day we got here. I think that’s deceptive and only proves to the people that have a clue, that many people in podiatry are insecure about the profession for what it is. I see “future foot and ankle surgeon” or “medical student” on my peers social media and all I think is, you are a podiatry student and future podiatrist, why is that so hard to say? Or do they really think they are going to be doing surgery 24/7? Anyway, this type of mentality starts early, before one is even in school.
 
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My school has shoved foot and ankle surgeon down our throats from the day we got here. I think that’s deceptive and only proves to the people that have a clue, that many people in podiatry are insecure about the profession for what it is. I see “future foot and ankle surgeon” or “medical student” on my peers social media and all I think is you are a podiatry student and future podiatrist, why is that so hard to say? Or do they really think they are going to be doing surgery 24/7? Anyway, this type of mentality starts early, before one is even in school.
Same thing at Scholl lol
 

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Yes that is OK. What he was saying is and what I am saying is: call yourself a podiatrist first, then a foot and ankle surgeon/specialist etc. I am sure you have seen the complex all our colleagues have about this, just look at the Linkedin profiles of our colleagues. "Foot and Ankle Surgeon" no mention of DPM/ or podiatry.
 
My school has shoved foot and ankle surgeon down our throats from the day we got here. I think that’s deceptive and only proves to the people that have a clue, that many people in podiatry are insecure about the profession for what it is. I see “future foot and ankle surgeon” or “medical student” on my peers social media and all I think is, you are a podiatry student and future podiatrist, why is that so hard to say? Or do they really think they are going to be doing surgery 24/7? Anyway, this type of mentality starts early, before one is even in school.


Podiatrist/Foot and ankle specialist sums it up for us..... if our BRAND was marketed to the public appropriately the last 20 years then all these other descriptions including surgeon would be inferred by the public, but i believe its getting there.... many patients are starting to seek out a podiatrist for surgery .... once you know all the ins/out of podiatry it becomes a very fulfilling and great profession, its all this other BS that surrounds it that gets in the way, if you haven't noticed its a hybrid of two ROAD specialties confined to a body part .... Othro and Derm
 
It's a fact; there are a lot of great foot and ankle surgeons who are podiatrists. Many of whom are active on social media and don't use the "P word." Do they owe it to the rest of us, to mention to the general public that they're podiatrists? No; but ACFAS does.
 
It's a fact; there are a lot of great foot and ankle surgeons who are podiatrists. Many of whom are active on social media and don't use the "P word." Do they owe it to the rest of us, to mention to the general public that they're podiatrists? No; but ACFAS does.

We all need to do our part saying the “p word”. Those who don’t are spreading misinformation as well
 
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It's a fact; there are a lot of great foot and ankle surgeons who are podiatrists. Many of whom are active on social media and don't use the "P word." Do they owe it to the rest of us, to mention to the general public that they're podiatrists? No; but ACFAS does.

I think 90 percent of the stuff that goes on social media done by podiatrists only casts a negative light on us - at least to those of us who know what's going on . The public may love it thought but it is often a travesty right @CutsWithFury
 
I think 90 percent of the stuff that goes on social media done by podiatrists only casts a negative light on us - at least to those of us who know what's going on . The public may love it thought but it is often a travesty right @CutsWithFury

Agreed. Lots of bad surgery being publicized for the sake "being on social media". Anybody who knows what they are looking at knows the scam that's being played right before our eyes.
 
Respectfully disagree with you.

Here's why:

1. Podiatry is already a very sub specialized field that has enough confusion nationwide about what we do - and that's not including our chiropodists across the pond in England. So now there is general podiatry, forefoot surgical podiatry, rearfoot surgical podiatry, and full surgical podiatry. More confusion - less cohesiveness as a profession.

2. Dentistry to Podiatry is a poor analogy IMO. Nobody else can perform what dentists do except dentists, dental hygienists work under their supervision. Lots of folks can do what podiatrists do. Their position is secure in healthcare, our isn't.

The CPME now requires a 3 year residency that is either a PMSR or PMSR/RRA. These are surgical residencies. I would use ortho instead of dentistry if you really wanted to make an analogy. Some of the ortho residents I trained with may not have had the best surgical instinct, but guess what? They still took the same American Board of Orthopedic Surgery examination, and they still landed jobs in non-surgical roles such as clinical orthopedist at Childrens Hospital wherever. Look at ortho practices. . . overwhelmingly they are surgeons, but there are some orthopods that are strictly clinical.

3. If anything, having two boards creates MORE confusion. And having the one board for surgeons with abysmal pass rates is a scam; which has lead to other ridiculous boards being created. . . which creates more confusion. I'll add that just because an orthopod is certed with their respective board doesn't make them a good surgeon. I've seen plenty of jacked up feet on their watch, as I'm sure you all have as well. Podiatrists too are not immune from this. The point I'm making here is that their board certification issue is a lot less obtuse than ours -- even their WORST surgeons become board certified which creates an unified force in their profession. Podiatry as a whole lacks that.
Our process is flawed at best, predatory and scam worthy at worst. Case submissions, 4 different parts, then another 2 parts, then submitting, getting failed on a potential error in a log, and then re submitting. Sounds like an opportunity for someone to make a lot of money. Which is what podiatry has been for a long time --- can't drum up enough business? -- start taking toes off one at a time . . . people aren't seeing you for pathology you want/ schedule isn't filled up? --- start lessening the kenalog dose in the shot. This is the type of stuff I witnessed in school, on externships, and in residency. I've seen MDs guilty as well, but its not as widespread as podiatry.

4. Its easy for Dr. Sherman to sit back and make comments like this; especially since he is of the era of the "self assessment" exam. So let me get this straight -- new podiatrists have to doll out massive amounts of money to a board that is supposedly looking out surgeons and the public's interest, but they grandfather in DPMs like Dr. Sherman with a self assesment test? Meanwhile, new grads are put through the ringer, while older pods who are grandfathered in the system -- are performing (or attempting) to perform ORIFs on an ankle, or a toe amputation for a foot that really needs a TMA. Can't get behind what he is saying. I'll say it again. . . I have done well in podiatry, but I wouldn't let my kid become one. From reading what Dr. Sherman wrote about his son, he would agree with that. . . which genuinely says more about the issue than any article about "sub specialty" podiatry.
 
Respectfully disagree with you.

Here's why:

1. Podiatry is already a very sub specialized field that has enough confusion nationwide about what we do - and that's not including our chiropodists across the pond in England. So now there is general podiatry, forefoot surgical podiatry, rearfoot surgical podiatry, and full surgical podiatry. More confusion - less cohesiveness as a profession.

2. Dentistry to Podiatry is a poor analogy IMO. Nobody else can perform what dentists do except dentists, dental hygienists work under their supervision. Lots of folks can do what podiatrists do. Their position is secure in healthcare, our isn't.

The CPME now requires a 3 year residency that is either a PMSR or PMSR/RRA. These are surgical residencies. I would use ortho instead of dentistry if you really wanted to make an analogy. Some of the ortho residents I trained with may not have had the best surgical instinct, but guess what? They still took the same American Board of Orthopedic Surgery examination, and they still landed jobs in non-surgical roles such as clinical orthopedist at Childrens Hospital wherever. Look at ortho practices. . . overwhelmingly they are surgeons, but there are some orthopods that are strictly clinical.

3. If anything, having two boards creates MORE confusion. And having the one board for surgeons with abysmal pass rates is a scam; which has lead to other ridiculous boards being created. . . which creates more confusion. I'll add that just because an orthopod is certed with their respective board doesn't make them a good surgeon. I've seen plenty of jacked up feet on their watch, as I'm sure you all have as well. Podiatrists too are not immune from this. The point I'm making here is that their board certification issue is a lot less obtuse than ours -- even their WORST surgeons become board certified which creates an unified force in their profession. Podiatry as a whole lacks that.
Our process is flawed at best, predatory and scam worthy at worst. Case submissions, 4 different parts, then another 2 parts, then submitting, getting failed on a potential error in a log, and then re submitting. Sounds like an opportunity for someone to make a lot of money. Which is what podiatry has been for a long time --- can't drum up enough business? -- start taking toes off one at a time . . . people aren't seeing you for pathology you want/ schedule isn't filled up? --- start lessening the kenalog dose in the shot. This is the type of stuff I witnessed in school, on externships, and in residency. I've seen MDs guilty as well, but its not as widespread as podiatry.

4. Its easy for Dr. Sherman to sit back and make comments like this; especially since he is of the era of the "self assessment" exam. So let me get this straight -- new podiatrists have to doll out massive amounts of money to a board that is supposedly looking out surgeons and the public's interest, but they grandfather in DPMs like Dr. Sherman with a self assesment test? Meanwhile, new grads are put through the ringer, while older pods who are grandfathered in the system -- are performing (or attempting) to perform ORIFs on an ankle, or a toe amputation for a foot that really needs a TMA. Can't get behind what he is saying. I'll say it again. . . I have done well in podiatry, but I wouldn't let my kid become one. From reading what Dr. Sherman wrote about his son, he would agree with that. . . which genuinely says more about the issue than any article about "sub specialty" podiatry.

Great post!
 
ABFAS just needs to copy ABOS. You only log cases for a 6 month period between your first and second year out of residency. They only review 12 cases and you do it in person. A peer review and oral examination of your 12 cases is all that part II entails, no more didactic (you already passed that) and no dumb computer case simulations. And then have a 93-96% pass rate.

The way ABFAS has made themselves a requirement to get surgical privileges and then made it increasingly difficult to get ABFAS Certification is almost criminal. Our own boards are being used as a tool to prevent DPMs from operating at certain facilities and from doing certain procedures (ie ankle stuff). Meanwhile you have plenty of older docs who got grandfathered in despite worse training, worse skill, worse outcomes, etc. Board certification in general is a joke, the rest of medicine realizes and admits this, but podiatrists continue to screw each other. Podiatrists are the worst.

I thought we wanted to our training to be like that of real doctors?
 
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ABFAS just needs to copy ABOS. You only log cases for a 6 month period between your first and second year out of residency. They only review 12 cases and you do it in person. A peer review and oral examination of your 12 cases is all that part II entails, no more didactic (you already passed that) and no dumb computer case simulations. And then have a 93-96% pass rate.

The way ABFAS has made themselves a requirement to get surgical privileges and then made it increasingly difficult to get ABFAS Certification is almost criminal. Our own boards are being used as a tool to prevent DPMs from operating at certain facilities and from doing certain procedures (ie ankle stuff). Meanwhile you have plenty of older docs who got grandfathered in despite worse training, worse skill, worse outcomes, etc. Board certification in general is a joke, the rest of medicine realizes and admits this, but podiatrists continue to screw each other. Podiatrists are the worst.

I thought we wanted to our training to be like that of real doctors?

Has anyone ever sued the ABFAS? Where I practice the ABFAS is the only certification accepted by the department of health to obtain surgical privileges at hospitals in the state.
 
I certified last year and it was the biggest joke of my career. ABFAS is scamming everyone, especially these poor new graduates. 2000$ for a terribly written exam with spelling mistakes questions that are subjective and an exam that has little to no research and development behind it... and 40% pass rate for the BQ exam. Show me any other profession with board exam failure rates of <80%. They are making millions of dollars every year. And then guys that got grandfathered in like Dr. Sherman is advocating for them. Podiatrists are some of the dirtiest scum bags alive.
 
I certified last year and it was the biggest joke of my career. ABFAS is scamming everyone, especially these poor new graduates. 2000$ for a terribly written exam with spelling mistakes questions that are subjective and an exam that has little to no research and development behind it... and 40% pass rate for the BQ exam. Show me any other profession with board exam failure rates of <80%. They are making millions of dollars every year. And then guys that got grandfathered in like Dr. Sherman is advocating for them. Podiatrists are some of the dirtiest scum bags alive.

I agree ABFAS is just a disguise to just create restriction of trade legally. 40-60% pass rate right? In a profession that’s already incredibly small. With old crusty podiatrists who over see the certification process that never trained in a real hospital, are not even practicing...rigggght

I’m surprised nobody has sued the ABFAS.

That’s why I hated residency. Some Attendings (not all) affiliated with the program were way out of their league with some the cases they posted and could only get them done by letting the resident cut for them.
 
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I for one hate ABFAS. I actually stopped by the ABFAS booth with one of my residents at acfas in New Orleans. We met the rudest Dpm there. Dr Vincent was his name. Every question we asked, his replied was “look it up in the website”.
 
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