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Looks like the new American Canadian School of Medicine is starting up in September 2023 on Dominica in the old Ross campus. Not seen anything on this so far on SDN, so thought I'd post this as a FYI.

To be clear, with no track record, its high risk, and I'm not suggesting it, just noting its launch.



I cant find any indication of where they do clinical rotations.

Interestingly it is accredited by IAAR which was WFME approved in June 2023, meaning grads could apply for residency in US post 2024.



 
Read their "residency money back guarantee" lmfao.

You must have applied to the NRMP 3 times with 25 within 36 months of graduating. Better than nothing I guess but the real kicker is "This guarantee is subject to change at any time, and the Medical School reserves the right to modify or terminate the guarantee at its discretion without notice to you."

So it isn't really a guarantee if they can choose to rescind it at any time for any reason.
 
The guarantee is a big enough red flag in my opinion.
 
They are starting in September with "approximately" 50 students.
 
They are starting in September with "approximately" 50 students.
Is this posted somewhere? I am curious to know where most of their students may be from. Typically, with a name like that, they may have quite a large non-US student population.
 
Is this posted somewhere? I am curious to know where most of their students may be from. Typically, with a name like that, they may have quite a large non-US student population.
50 is mentioned here:
 
I don't understand why the school would be not for profit. There must be some sort of advantage to that designation, but I can't figure it out.
 
I don't understand why the school would be not for profit. There must be some sort of advantage to that designation, but I can't figure it out.
One advantage is to avoid the unavoidable image of being a "for-profit Caribbean school."In the US, For-profit schools always have a different view than non-profits. Look how Devry and all the other for-profit schools catch heat. Since their primary demographic is clearly American and Canadian, this is likely a marketing ploy, just like their "residency money-back guarantee," which is ridiculous. At the end of the day, it all depends on how successful their students will be.
 
Regarding profit status, they have set this school up as a "not for profit" which is different than a "nonprofit". A non-profit is the way most charities are set up - their goal is to spend all of their money. Not for profit works just like a regular company - they are trying to make money. But the money needs to flow back into the company, there are no owners who extract value from the company, and no shareholders. Instead there's a board of directors.

It's possible that the guy who started this (who went to Ross) wanted to bring back a school to Dominica, help others like himself and help the island. Could be set up this way so that all income is poured back into the school, and because of that it may become more successful (educationally) than the other schools on the islands.

It's also possible that he set it up this way to get it started. Once it's successful, he'll convert it to a for profit company with himself as the major owner. The laws around this are very complex, but I'm sure it can be done. You can't take out past profits when you do this, but you certainly can take out future profits.

The money-back-guarantee comes with all sorts of caveats. You can't fail out, you must pass S1 and S2 on the first try, you must apply to primary care and fail to match for 3 cycles, and not have any professionalism issues. It's a safe bet for them, because if you do all of those things then you're very likely to get a spot somewhere.
 
The last update is almost a year old. Is there anyone who is currently a student at ACSOM who can share some deeper insights into the school?
 
I came here to say that it looks like the American Canadian School of Medicine is now Accredited by ACCM and they do have an ECFMG sponsor note. I do not know anything further about the school's success rate, but at least those are positive updates.

It also looks like they got rid of that ridiculous "residency money-back guarantee." I would love to hear from current students on how everything is going.
 
One always needs to be wary of a new school with no track record, but they do seem to be moving in the right direction. I also note they have established some connections for clinical rotations in California and are in negotiation with other facilities in Florida and Ontario Clinical Rotations at ACSOM Caribbean Medical School. Remains to be seen what affiliations they can develop.
 
Also interesting to look at the LinkedIn site for the school. They have attracted staff/faculty from senior positions at Ross and AUC, and even have a former CEO of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada.
 
Just interviewed for this school this morning. It was a mix of formal questions about my background and experiences, why I wanted to go into medicine, and included a mini scenario that resembled the PREview exam. The school is super small, but on purpose. They also just teamed up with Yale New Haven in Bridgeport for their clinical rotations.
 
Any new insights about the school or current/past students? I am going to interview for them one of these upcoming weeks.
 
Any new insights about the school or current/past students? I am going to interview for them one of these upcoming weeks.
I know someone who goes there. He likes it, but finds the work intense, as one might expect. Not a lot more detail to share from him. From looking at their website, it looks to me like they still have work to do expanding their options for clinical placements. Clinical Rotations at ACSOM Caribbean Medical School I see only four options, all in California. This could change by the time you reach clinical in another two years. You might want to ask about this. Also ask to be able to speak to some current students. It remains a new school without an established track record, which makes it a risk. Caribbean generally is a risk given the attrition rates. If you're going Caribbean route, I always recommend one of SGU, RUSM, or AUC. They are well recognized and if you get through odds of matching to a Primary Care residency are pretty good.
 
I know someone who goes there. He likes it, but finds the work intense, as one might expect. Not a lot more detail to share from him. From looking at their website, it looks to me like they still have work to do expanding their options for clinical placements. Clinical Rotations at ACSOM Caribbean Medical School I see only four options, all in California. This could change by the time you reach clinical in another two years. You might want to ask about this. Also ask to be able to speak to some current students. It remains a new school without an established track record, which makes it a risk. Caribbean generally is a risk given the attrition rates. If you're going Caribbean route, I always recommend one of SGU, RUSM, or AUC. They are well recognized and if you get through odds of matching to a Primary Care residency are pretty good.
Thanks for the info! I will definitely ask about any upcoming clinical locations and if I can speak to current students. I'd rather stay within the US and may end up reapplying to US schools if I don't get in this cycle, but at very least it will be good interview practice. I did just apply for RUSM yesterday.
 
Update: I got accepted to ACSOM. One thing that is nice is that the $100 to reserve your seat is refundable if you get into a US school. The interview was like foxessb1 mentioned four messages up. I will likely be awarded the founder's scholarship which is awarded based on your interaction with the dean in a group meeting with some others who have been accepted, at least from what they said.

 
Update: I got accepted to ACSOM. One thing that is nice is that the $100 to reserve your seat is refundable if you get into a US school. The interview was like foxessb1 mentioned four messages up. I will likely be awarded the founder's scholarship which is awarded based on your interaction with the dean in a group meeting with some others who have been accepted, at least from what they said.

Congratulations! Be great if you could keep us posted on your experiences there.
 
Update: I got invitations for two US DO interviews, so will most likely only go to ACSOM as a back up if I don't get accepted at any US school. Also, if any you have any questions you want answered about the school, feel free to DM me as I was given by the founder, Dr. Arvin Bagherpour, along with others his personal cell phone # to ask questions if we wanted.

Information Dump: (Anyone else have any new info?)

Education:
There are no TAs, but there are "experts" in different fields which they fly in who can help with concepts and provide practice problems.

Lecterio, Osmosis, and Amboss are provided through the school. Some students are also paying for UWorld, Sketchy, MedSchoolBros, and/or AnKing. Depending on the day, classes end between 2 and 4 pm. Lectures are not currently recorded, although admin is discussing potentially starting to record lectures in the future.

Testing/Cohorts
There is a test/exam after every module. Students are given a practice exam one week before and are allowed to to take pictures of questions they got wrong. Of note, the people writing the tests aren't always the people teaching material.

Based on what a student ambassador has said as well as someone from admin I talked to, they may be making standards to let people take Step 1 which is a shift in policy. I don't believe I got the info perfectly, but they might have been requiring people to make at least a 70 in each module, but may be increasing that to 75-80%. Currently they have their first students (2) in clinical rotations. At the time of my meeting with a student ambassador roughly two months ago, one was in a family medicine rotation and the other in a general surgery rotation. Either the fall or spring 2nd year cohort started out at 12 students and currently has 5 with one being a student who had to repeat a semester. The person who repeated did not pass on the second retake, so was moved down. It sounds like if you don't pass a first retake in the first module you may be dismissed, but with 2nd module and beyond there is more opportunity for retakes. I would appreciate if someone from the school had more insight on this. From what I was told, the Fall 2025 cohort started out with about 40 students. Admin did not state if they had an upper cap for an entering class size, but were suggesting that it could be around 50-70ish in fall 2026. They do talk a lot about having very small class sizes which so far they have been able to maintain. I am unsure how that would be maintained with more students.

You use your own computer or iPad for exams. You have to use your computer if you want to highlight. You get laminated sheet of paper on which to write with dry erase.

High GPA Scholarship: in the cohort with 5 students, 2 received the highest GPA scholarship, which one for sure has lost. I don't know about the second person.

Life on Dominica:
ATMs are available on the island which have a flat fee. You can also open a bank account there which will reduce those fees.
Gas tanks around 50 EC, and last around 1- 2.5 months depending on how much cooking you are doing. The apartments the school has listed do come furnished, but if you want things like an air fryer or a kettle, it is better to bring them. You can ship things, but it can be pretty expensive. Apparently there is a way to set up an Amazon forwarding address from Florida, but don't even think about fast shipping. If you love nature and prefer fewer distractions you may find Dominica appealing. It's not like the tourist filled Barbados (not that med students have much time for other things).
The school offers rides to a local gym after 5 pm which will come pick you up after 1.5 hours. There used to be an agreement with a local hotel for students to use their gym, but that does not exist any more. It's very close to the ocean and the school does have a pool. Rent is often between 500 and 600, but electricity is expensive. The locals are typically very friendly and the US dollar goes a long way. There are a couple small grocery stores in the town and the school busses people who want to go to a bigger city each week for groceries.

The Founder:
The founder Dr. Arvin Bagherpour graduated from Ross and is a practicing radiologist in Houston. He is also on call for the major hospital in Dominica to help interpt scans. According to him, he was unsatisfied with how Ross treated medical students. He was very open about exactly how much debt he incured and how he paid it off.
 
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