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Reading an article and I saw these blurbs….

The union is also asking for a guarantee that artificial intelligence (AI) and computer-generated faces and voices will not be used to replace actors.

What's happening to us is happening across all fields of labour," she said, "when employers make Wall Street and greed their priority, and they forget about the essential contributors that make the machine run.


I really have to commend them. They’re standing up for themselves and protecting their guild. Studios can’t make money with out them which gives the actors fair leverage in negotiations. And of course nobody if going to suffer with an actors strike, we’ll all just watch reruns of our favourite shows.

As I read them, both blurbs also resonated strongly with what’s happening in medicine. But that’s where the similarities end. Our organisations don’t stand up for or protect us, and we’ll never have the leverage the comes with collective labour withdrawal.
 
It's fascinating to me that as I was trying to justify why doctors are so much less unified I completely struck out.
Are more narcassistic? Compared to the gen pop but compared to Holleywood actors clearly not

Do we have more money and thus less need for each other? Again, obviously not compared to actors, many of whom make more for a movie/show than we make in a career.

Do they have more time spent together? We freaking do med school/residency which should be similar to the amount of brotherhood/sisterhood that our military has.

All I can come up with is a long history of completely inept and corrupt AMA leadership that has been a pox upon the profession of medicine. These folks do have a long history of sticking together, maybe it is a cultural thing from the top down. The culture of medicine has clearly eroded further with the amount of burocracy/regulation/rent seeking MBA involvement even since I started medical school, but even in the good ole days from what I hear we just were never as united. Any historians of medicine who have a much enlightened perspective I would be very curious to know your thoughts.
 
Geography?
They have the “studio zone” - a 30 mile radius around Hollywood where most productions and filmed, and where most of the big names live. Plus seeing each other at events or parties….don’t even get me started on why these guys need to make a show of giving each other awards.
But maybe the constant interactions make for closer relationships and more unity??
 
Its a waste of time and futile.
If AI can more efficiently generate a same or better cinematic experience, so be it.
I and others have largely already tuned out of Hollywood due to their incessant drive to shove political woke ideology into everything. A little here and there fine, that's easy to ignore, but now its practically everything. I don't want my money feeding their propaganda machine.
Indian cinema, Nigerian, Korean, etc still has core basic story plots that are so much more refreshing. To think they once were boring because it was template based, now it's just a sigh of relief the entertainment is just that... no bitter woke seasoning.

But to the plight of their strike, we are in for a hell of ride now in coming years. Mechanization during industrial revolution put people out of work, and we've seen hiccups of the industrial revolution thru to modern era, each eliminates what are typically middle class jobs.

AI is going to eliminate a lot of jobs, of which many are middle class, and the social fractures we have now are going to ignite. Hang on tight folks.
 
We operate a bit more similarly now to actors, but that's a very recent change in the labor time scale. Physicians have historically been self employed throughout the vast majority of our history. A union would have been kinda non-sensical? It's essentially impossible to be a self-employed actor and always has been. Moving the AMA in the direction of a union long term is a good idea given that now most physicians are employed, but I concur that it is relatively rotten to the core (MOC anyone?) and probably not a good vehicle for change or improvement. Also, there's an optics issue here. The producers are going to absolutely eviscerate the actors in the press pointing out the top 0.01% of actors, A-list celebs making millions, while ignoring the average actor, a background extra making $40k a year in LA. Now you want to sell to the public the woes of physicians, almost none of whom are making less than $250k a year?
 
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Oh, the similarities run way deeper. Check out this quote from an article on the writers strike:

“Television has turned into a hyperspecialized Model T assembly line where everyone does one particular tiny job,” says Schur. “You focus really hard on screwing this bolt into this piece of metal, and that’s all you do. And as a result, nobody’s learning how to make a whole car. The battle now is to figure out which patches we can put on the process so that in five or ten years, people will still know how to make TV.”

If that doesn't describe modern medicine too, I don't know what does.

Source: The Binge Purge
 
Physicians lost their unity as academic medicine became infected by the left, and a result started producing more politically left physicians.
It's really politics. This is the cliff notes to a much, much, longer rant. You can trace the origins back to the start of CMS for medicine.
  • Its now being reinforced by left/woke leaning academia.
  • Higher penetrance of left leaning admin of specialty societies and groups like AMA.
  • Physicians themselves being left leaning.
  • AND the populace as a whole embracing the 'functional' medicine movement with supplement exaltation, Natrupath Kumbaya Koolaid, and lower distress intolerance of patients preferencing now/quick/fast over the cold hard truth of acceptance and adaptation. People don't want modern medicine - they want the shamanistic experience, because it feels good. It feels special. It scratches that void that might have once been filled by religion [religion is declining in the US]. People want 10mg Obecalp, nah, they want the custom tincture of 100mg Obecalp infused with Elderberries, and Rose Oil - all ethically sourced, fair trade, organic - of course.
  • Also, after everything that happened with Covid... we just lost a whole lot of people from giving a damn about medicine as an institution - and this damage is going last several generations. Censuring physicians or taking the licenses away from Covid comments? There's less physician buy in and devotion right there.
  • Professional organizations crossing too far over into politics? Commenting on guns? Transgender "care" in youth? Physicians in organizations thinking its okay to solicit, email etc others to support them as they go state or national legislatures to advocate for cause XYZ? I once advocated for a needle exchange in a bad opioid area, butting heads against conservative politicians - which I totally understand the opposition - but attempted to dissuade the politic from a Public Health Hep C / HIV angle, to no avail. But I had the decorum to not solicit other physicians in the Big Box shop to stand with me on this issue, knowing it crossed into the realm of politics. This decorum is gone.
Entropy is settling in.

Institutions that are foundations of society, are crumbling:
  • Medicine
  • Marriage / family
  • Academia
  • Now government
  • Military is holding strong but being attacked
  • Religion
  • The newest institution, Hollywood, perhaps just the reinvention of The Bard, the court jester, Drama; is now in the cross hairs too
I'm exiting to farm life in years to come, hopefully before societal upheaval hits its peak.
 
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We operate a bit more similarly now to actors, but that's a very recent change in the labor time scale. Physicians have historically been self employed throughout the vast majority of our history. A union would have been kinda non-sensical? It's essentially impossible to be a self-employed actor and always has been. Moving the AMA in the direction of a union long term is a good idea given that now most physicians are employed, but I concur that it is relatively rotten to the core (MOC anyone?) and probably not a good vehicle for change or improvement. Also, there's an optics issue here. The producers are going to absolutely eviscerate the actors in the press pointing out the top 0.01% of actors, A-list celebs making millions, while ignoring the average actor, a background extra making $40k a year in LA. Now you want to sell to the public the woes of physicians, almost none of whom are making less than $250k a year?
I'm not suggesting we strike or talk about our woes to the public. I agree that sympathy is very low generally for any of the higher earning professions simply related to income alone. It's just the general lack of fellowship between physicians that surprises and saddens me. There certainly is something to the unity that SAG/writers have.
 
we’ll never have the leverage the comes with collective labour withdrawal.
The UK is offering raises amid the NHS doctors' strikes. Funny how the US thinks single payer is radical, and they have single employer. That lends itself to unionization.

Remember the acting guild has this power because you essentially can't work in the industry if you're not with them.

Based on how entrepreneurial and creative US doctors are in finding ways to make money, I'm not sure if the path of the UK or the acting guild is necessarily something you'd want. You're going to subject yourself to a lot of regulation and probably a lot fewer pathways to money-making.

The AMA has very low membership. If you were to unionize with them, they might start acting like the NHS in dictating what constitutes ethical practice, etc., which I cannot see US medicine getting on board with. If US doctors can bill for a surgery or take part in an execution (the AMA forbids this but they have no power), they'll do it. European medicine is very conservative with interventions compared to the US, no doubt because they have much more cohesive governance. Doctors also don't have the same cachet. That would probably be the effect of a governing board in the US whether it was through an actual government or a professional association that had any power.

I don't think you could have a union that only promoted your interests' financially (I assume your interests would be in lobbying to decrease the acceptance of non-MD/DOs?). Once they have power, they would use it across the board.

This is outside perspective and conjecture of course. In general, I think you all have the perks you want. Acting is different where very few actors are sharing in the enormous wealth of the entertainment industry. There's a lot of excess spending in US healthcare but is it really so much that wages of doctors would rationally be even higher were it distributed more fairly?

Tangent: Any sane medical union in my opinion would be upping the wages of MAs who in my experience as a patient are now being tasked with tasks of a doctor and get paid less than they could at a fast-food joint. This is after they "graduate" from predatory certificate mills with huge debt. They're the ones who could use some protection. I hear complaints about NPs/PAs, but in my experience I see MDs who are off in the clouds having MAs (which requires no licensure or medical training) interacting with patients and providing guidance. I can see why the nurses want to get higher licensure (NP)—they're no longer even wanted or respected in family medicine (again my experience as a patient). My doctor refers to his MA as a "nurse" too. I can't imagine any of them would stay in that role if it were not for the sunk cost of the certificate mills.

Would you all be interested in a union that protects all healthcare workers? Because the acting guild going on strike is not looking out primarily for A-list actors but regular working people, more the MA-equivalent. And maybe you would see less encroachment of midlevel providers, which seems a perennial concern, if the role of nurses was more respected and the standards for being a nurse had been maintained—it used to be quite difficult to become a nurse compared to today. A union that respected all those roles could be compelling. What if a doctor, like a family medicine doctor, were required to have a nurse? Flips on its head an NP required to have a collaborating doctor.

I'm generally sympathetic to anything that protects labor, but medicine is different in that unlike entertainment it directly affects people's wellbeing and so anything that didn't have patient wellbeing as one of its tentpoles is less interesting to me. To me that would mean things like: Anyone who provides patient care at a minimum needs licensure (again going back to MAs). And doctors, from my perspective at least, are like the Tom Cruises of medicine. (I can imagine you all might not feel that way.) They should be bringing up the wages and standards of all the roles below them, as well, which is how I see patient care improving along with their livelihoods improving.

All of what I propose would probably require cohesive government action because even if you all unionized it would likely just codify the existing balkanized fiefdoms of HCW categories fighting for their terf. I hear even you doctors wanting to lower standards (let medical school graduates practice right out of medical school). It seems everyone wants more money with less training, and all of the HCW groups use each other when it's expedient or at least symbiotic to do so. I can see how doctors are a bit unique in that politicians want more access to healthcare and that means creating new HCW categories which compete with you all. I guess I don't know enough about why there aren't more doctors. Is that gatekeeping that has protected doctors' interests historically which is now coming back to bite you all with in the influx of midlevels?

At least what the actors' guild is telegraphing is that this is a bottom up strike and they're bringing everyone along with them.

I apologize that this is so long-winded and not well written (which is why I've written less here in general). I've had cognitive impairment since January and have been waiting that long to get in to a neurologist.
 
The UK is offering raises amid the NHS doctors' strikes. Funny how the US thinks single payer is radical, and they have single employer. That lends itself to unionization.

Remember the acting guild has this power because you essentially can't work in the industry if you're not with them.

Based on how entrepreneurial and creative US doctors are in finding ways to make money, I'm not sure if the path of the UK or the acting guild is necessarily something you'd want. You're going to subject yourself to a lot of regulation and probably a lot fewer pathways to money-making.

The AMA has very low membership. If you were to unionize with them, they might start acting like the NHS in dictating what constitutes ethical practice, etc., which I cannot see US medicine getting on board with. If US doctors can bill for a surgery or take part in an execution (the AMA forbids this but they have no power), they'll do it. European medicine is very conservative with interventions compared to the US, no doubt because they have much more cohesive governance. Doctors also don't have the same cachet. That would probably be the effect of a governing board in the US whether it was through an actual government or a professional association that had any power.

I don't think you could have a union that only promoted your interests' financially (I assume your interests would be in lobbying to decrease the acceptance of non-MD/DOs?). Once they have power, they would use it across the board.

This is outside perspective and conjecture of course. In general, I think you all have the perks you want. Acting is different where very few actors are sharing in the enormous wealth of the entertainment industry. There's a lot of excess spending in US healthcare but is it really so much that wages of doctors would rationally be even higher were it distributed more fairly?

Tangent: Any sane medical union in my opinion would be upping the wages of MAs who in my experience as a patient are now being tasked with tasks of a doctor and get paid less than they could at a fast-food joint. This is after they "graduate" from predatory certificate mills with huge debt. They're the ones who could use some protection. I hear complaints about NPs/PAs, but in my experience I see MDs who are off in the clouds having MAs (which requires no licensure or medical training) interacting with patients and providing guidance. I can see why the nurses want to get higher licensure (NP)—they're no longer even wanted or respected in family medicine (again my experience as a patient). My doctor refers to his MA as a "nurse" too. I can't imagine any of them would stay in that role if it were not for the sunk cost of the certificate mills.

Would you all be interested in a union that protects all healthcare workers? Because the acting guild going on strike is not looking out primarily for A-list actors but regular working people, more the MA-equivalent. And maybe you would see less encroachment of midlevel providers, which seems a perennial concern, if the role of nurses was more respected and the standards for being a nurse had been maintained—it used to be quite difficult to become a nurse compared to today. A union that respected all those roles could be compelling. What if a doctor, like a family medicine doctor, were required to have a nurse? Flips on its head an NP required to have a collaborating doctor.

I'm generally sympathetic to anything that protects labor, but medicine is different in that unlike entertainment it directly affects people's wellbeing and so anything that didn't have patient wellbeing as one of its tentpoles is less interesting to me. To me that would mean things like: Anyone who provides patient care at a minimum needs licensure (again going back to MAs). And doctors, from my perspective at least, are like the Tom Cruises of medicine. (I can imagine you all might not feel that way.) They should be bringing up the wages and standards of all the roles below them, as well, which is how I see patient care improving along with their livelihoods improving.

All of what I propose would probably require cohesive government action because even if you all unionized it would likely just codify the existing balkanized fiefdoms of HCW categories fighting for their terf. I hear even you doctors wanting to lower standards (let medical school graduates practice right out of medical school). It seems everyone wants more money with less training, and all of the HCW groups use each other when it's expedient or at least symbiotic to do so. I can see how doctors are a bit unique in that politicians want more access to healthcare and that means creating new HCW categories which compete with you all. I guess I don't know enough about why there aren't more doctors. Is that gatekeeping that has protected doctors' interests historically which is now coming back to bite you all with in the influx of midlevels?

At least what the actors' guild is telegraphing is that this is a bottom up strike and they're bringing everyone along with them.

I apologize that this is so long-winded and not well written (which is why I've written less here in general). I've had cognitive impairment since January and have been waiting that long to get in to a neurologist.
Some of the points in your post:

MAs do have a license.
Nursing was easier to get trained in the past, got harder with degree creep and extra/excess classes.
We have MAs because RNs degree inflated themselves. Which corresponded to their seeking higher wages, and unions etc with hospitals.
In my opinion, we need less RN and more LPN level, what RNs used to be. Someone who just does what they are told and has enough training to do what they should. There are Psych units I've seen where 1 RN supervises 3-4 MAs on the unit, and the RN only passes out meds. The MAs do the real nursing. Did we really need this degree creep? I don't think so. Shortage of nurses fleeing the field into ancillary positions or into ARNP positions and the boomers retiring and not going into teaching has compounded the RN shortages - jacking up their wages. Covid was a clear wow for supply demand with RNs in some locations making more than physicians per hour as locums.

Things in healthcare aren't looking positive on the horizon and I lament the thought of the care I'll receive once I'm geriatric. I anticipate a greater fear of iatrogenic harm than the symptoms experienced, in coming decades. For instance an ARNP pcp refers to GI, seen by ARNP, and all other specialists seen happen to also be ARNP. Random specialist MD sees patient and chart just lights up with Whiskey Tango Foxtrot for diagnoses/management of other conditions that are readily apparent to that specialist.
 
Some of the points in your post:

MAs do have a license.
Nursing was easier to get trained in the past, got harder with degree creep and extra/excess classes.
We have MAs because RNs degree inflated themselves. Which corresponded to their seeking higher wages, and unions etc with hospitals.
In my opinion, we need less RN and more LPN level, what RNs used to be. Someone who just does what they are told and has enough training to do what they should. There are Psych units I've seen where 1 RN supervises 3-4 MAs on the unit, and the RN only passes out meds. The MAs do the real nursing. Did we really need this degree creep? I don't think so. Shortage of nurses fleeing the field into ancillary positions or into ARNP positions and the boomers retiring and not going into teaching has compounded the RN shortages - jacking up their wages. Covid was a clear wow for supply demand with RNs in some locations making more than physicians per hour as locums.

Things in healthcare aren't looking positive on the horizon and I lament the thought of the care I'll receive once I'm geriatric. I anticipate a greater fear of iatrogenic harm than the symptoms experienced, in coming decades. For instance an ARNP pcp refers to GI, seen by ARNP, and all other specialists seen happen to also be ARNP. Random specialist MD sees patient and chart just lights up with Whiskey Tango Foxtrot for diagnoses/management of other conditions that are readily apparent to that specialist.
I'm in Virginia and MAs are definitely not licensed here. Some are certified, but certification seems like fluff. I think there are only a handful of states that even require certification, Virginia not being one of them.
 
I'm in Virginia and MAs are definitely not licensed here. Some are certified, but certification seems like fluff. I think there are only a handful of states that even require certification, Virginia not being one of them.
This is not correct. If they are doing therapy there then they are required by law to be an LPC licensed in the state of Virginia by the Virginia Department of Health Professions. If they’re not, they cannot legally provide counseling there.


 
This is not correct. If they are doing therapy there then they are required by law to be an LPC licensed in the state of Virginia by the Virginia Department of Health Professions. If they’re not, they cannot legally provide counseling there.


Counseling?

I'm talking about medical assistants. It must stand for something else I'm not familiar with.

i'm talking about people trained in Word, Excel, etc., but in reality are sending off the wrong scripts to pharmacies with doctors having no idea what's going in their offices and who are tasked with everything under the sun: running EKGs, venipunctures, vaccines, and in my PCP's case actually providing medical guidance which they're not supposed to do. Eg; You call to make an appointment, they're booked solid, but the MA on the phone (which the entire office refers to as the nurse) gives you medical advice on what to do instead and is way over-confident given the highest accreditation they have is a high school degree. Not knocking them; they've been tasked with way too much, and in many cases with these very expensive schools have been taken advantage of.
 
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Counseling?

I'm talking about medical assistants. It must stand for something else I'm not familiar with.

i'm talking about people trained in Word, Excel, etc., but in reality are sending off the wrong scripts to pharmacies with doctors having no idea what's going in their offices and who are tasked with everything under the sun: running EKGs, venipunctures, vaccines, and in my PCP's case actually providing medical guidance which they're not supposed to do. Eg; You call to make an appointment, they're booked solid, but the MA on the phone (which the entire office refers to as the nurse) gives you medical advice on what to do instead and is way over-confident given the highest accreditation they have is a high school degree. Not knocking them; they've been tasked with way too much, and in many cases with these very expensive schools have been taken advantage of.

Ah, thought you were referring to master’s level therapists. The irony there is that a lot of what you describe is the exact arguments that both RNs make about MAs and what physicians have argued about NPs.
 
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