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Ok guys so i took my DATs on the 19th of aug. .... i got an 18AA ( math brought down my grade) and a 20TS and a 15 PAT 😡..... i have a 4.0 gpa ( science and non science) ... what are my chances of getting into NYCPM ? BARY? TEMPLE? .... i shadowed 2 pods but for a day each ( i know its not enough) ...
 
I don't think they even look at PAT for the pod schools that accept the DAT. With your grades and those scores you should get into all of them. Just make sure you shadow more pods
 
any school that accepts the DAT still is a joke

take the MCAT
 
any school that accepts the DAT still is a joke

For the most part, I agree that pod schools should accept the MCAT only, but based on a recent conversation I had with a DPM I was shadowing in NJ, I understand why it is still accepted. He is very active with helping with admissions presentations and conferences, so I assumed he had some inside info. He told me that pod schools receive less than 1000 applications a year. We can't assume that all of those people meet the minimum requirements, so that means all eight podiatry schools are working with an extremely low number of applicants. That's why the stats are so low. So accepting the DAT allows for a larger applicant pool, making it easier to attract good students who maybe decided against dental school.

Does anyone else agree that accepting the GRE is worse than the DAT?
 
Ok guys so i took my DATs on the 19th of aug. .... i got an 18AA ( math brought down my grade) and a 20TS and a 15 PAT 😡..... i have a 4.0 gpa ( science and non science) ... what are my chances of getting into NYCPM ? BARY? TEMPLE? .... i shadowed 2 pods but for a day each ( i know its not enough) ...

First, congrats on the GPA. Your DAT AA is above the national average (17)which is def a decent thing. I honestly think you will get into all three schools. I interviewed at all the schools and these 3 did not seem the most stringent for admission (Barry is def the most lax). I was told by someone in admissions at NYCPM, they don't look at the PAT score of the dental test.

Don't worry about that dudes negativity. One must realize that pod schools ONLY started solely accepting the MCAT this past application cycle (for class of 2012). I believe the three schools last year to require MCAT were CSPM,DMU, and Scholl. People on these forums seem to bash Cali often, but still, they were the first to require the MCAT.

FYI, Even DMU took the DAT in certain circumstances and one could take the DAT/GRE for entrance to AZPOD. Most people on these forums considere these two places the most "elite" of pod schools. When I completed my internship at Ohio last year, they accepted the PCAT, MCAT, OAT, DAT, and GRE for admission.

Hope this info helps. PM if you have any questions!
 
o0o0o0o mann!!! well said JEWMONGOUS ... thnx for the great indepth reply ..... to me i think its all about the student not the school... there is only soo much a school can do for a student ... it is up to the student to spend time reading the books, spend extra time in the lab, spend time reading outside sources .. all this extra effort will make one rise from the flock as a succesful podiatrist..... i think all pod schools offer at least the minimun required curriculum... from that point it is up to the student to choose based on his circumstances and situation ( geographically, financially, acedemically).
 
Thanks a ton PODDOC!!! dpm student what is your problem man .... listen why dont you try to get my gpa frst then talk
why not man-up and take the MCAT, what are you afraid of?
 
I agree that pre-pods should take the MCAT. It is definitely THE hardest exam among the rankings. I'd have to say they are ranked from hardest to easiest as follows MCAT, DAT, OAT, PCAT. MCAT will give a more comprehensive examination of your knowledge.

Also I agree with JEW about some schools still accepting DAT to increase their applicant pool. In some ways it's a good thing, but in others it is more detrimental to the profession as we're pulling in more applicants who may not know what they're getting themselves into.
 
why not man-up and take the MCAT, what are you afraid of?

I don't really like the approach you're taking here..but you're right. If you can't handle the MCAT, how are you going to handle Part I Boards, which should be ten times harder than the MCAT or DAT?!? The MCAT is just the beginning of difficult tests. People act like it's the end of a long road. WAKE UP!!
 
All i wanted was some thought about my chances .... not to be told what to do ..... All you people talking about MCATS ... I am 100% sure that if "most" of you actually scored what you needed to get in to MED schools you wouldnt be apply to pod schools ( no need to argue that fact, its pretty evident)... im not scared of no test .... its pointless to take it when all i want to do is either stay in NY or FL on top of that i had already started studying for DATS and bought prep materials.... and btw I AM A SHOE IN FOR SOME DENTAL SCHOOLS BUT I STILL CHOOSE PODIATRY CUZ I LIKE IT ...... IF YOU GUYS SCORED A DECENT GRADE ON THE MCATS YOU WOULDNT EVEN CONSIDER PODIATRY LOL..... so you can keep talking all you want .... what are you proud about taking a hard test and not scoring enough???
 
i know quite a few gpa/mcat scores from my pod school. i would say more people than not could get into med school. i know many, in fact that did...including me. maybe you should just put a fork in it, you're done.
 
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All i wanted was some thought about my chances .... not to be told what to do ..... All you people talking about MCATS ... I am 100% sure that if "most" of you actually scored what you needed to get in to MED schools you wouldnt be apply to pod schools ( no need to argue that fact, its pretty evident)... im not scared of no test .... its pointless to take it when all i want to do is either stay in NY or FL on top of that i had already started studying for DATS and bought prep materials.... and btw I AM A SHOE IN FOR SOME DENTAL SCHOOLS BUT I STILL CHOOSE PODIATRY CUZ I LIKE IT ...... IF YOU GUYS SCORED A DECENT GRADE ON THE MCATS YOU WOULDNT EVEN CONSIDER PODIATRY LOL..... so you can keep talking all you want .... what are you proud about taking a hard test and not scoring enough???


This doesn't make sense. You say that most of these people would choose MED school over POD if they had the scores. You then go on and say that you are capable of getting the scores needed for dental school, but are CHOOSING Pod school. What make you think that they ALSO didn't CHOOSE Pod school over something else?
 
because currently podiatry is every pre-meds second back up after DO schools ... that cant be argued comon ....

Well, it can be argued if you don't list a source that proves this statement to be factual.
 
alright lets try to stay on topic here. we're all gonna be colleagues some day so lets help each other out. no matter what you all say, we could be creating our own referral network right now, so lets not bash on each other....haha😎
 
i scored well enough on the MCAT to be guaranteed acceptance into DO school. but keep deluding yourself if you wish. its your future. you do sound very insecure and afraid of the MCAT. no one is telling you what to do, but you came for advice and that is what we offered. if you can't take the heat... you know what to do.
 
well, i beat your lousy DAT score. I got a AA TS PAT. i'll let that speak for itself

congrats on your inflated 4.0
 
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community college is the source of many a lol
 
because currently podiatry is every pre-meds second back up after DO schools ... that cant be argued comon ....


Hmm, I don't want to create any more animosity in this thread than there already is, but I don't think Pod schools are necessarily a BACKUP as much as it is an alternative route to the same goal. Yes, many pod students were pre-med as undergrads, but maybe they WANTED to specialize in feet and ankle treatment because they see the need for them OR, they didn't know what the hell to specialize in until they had an epiphany one day and decided to treat feet OR they dreamed about treating corns and bunions as kid..they just didn't know that Podiatry worked through a separate schooling system. The high acceptance rate for pod schools may just be a plus for them. Im not ruling out the fact that there ARE students who switch to pod as an easy way out, but you can say the same thing for dental/pharm/optometry--were they all trying to get into med/do school, too...and failed? I used to think that foot surgeons HAD to be orthopedics who held a M.D/D.O degree and had no idea what a DPM was. And if you asked around, I'm sure 70% of current pre-health students are thinking the same thing (well, at least the ones on the West coast).
 
LIU is no CC

well the only thing impressive about your "4.0" is that you cant break the teens on the DAT. pretty worthless if you ask me. Also, i'm willing to bet you wouldnt even score mid 20's on the MCAT which is a big reason why you are afraid of taking it. The DAT and MCAT cover similar material, they are just a different format, making the MCAT much more difficult and testing the depth of your knowledge rather than being able to regurgitate facts. i don't know why you take challeneges personally, but you are embarrasing yourself.
 
IF YOU GUYS SCORED A DECENT GRADE ON THE MCATS YOU WOULDNT EVEN CONSIDER PODIATRY LOL....

and thats what all the MD students say to the dental students, but it doesnt make it fact. "Dental school is a backup for medschool etc, etc..." A very silly argument.
 
well the only thing impressive about your "4.0" is that you cant break the teens on the DAT. pretty worthless if you ask me. Also, i'm willing to bet you wouldnt even score mid 20's on the MCAT which is a big reason why you are afraid of taking it. The DAT and MCAT cover similar material, they are just a different format, making the MCAT much more difficult and testing the depth of your knowledge rather than being able to regurgitate facts. i don't know why you take challeneges personally, but you are embarrasing yourself.



well studying for the dats for less than 2 weeks like 4 hrs a day ..... and scoring that is not bad in my book ... working 3 jobs to make ends meet at the end of each month isnt easy either..... lol so im pretty happy with my accomplishments without any excuses
 
Whoa!!! What is going on??? Everybody please take a chill pill. Blanket statements and sweeping arguments are terrible things when categorizing a profession inwhich you state you have interest in. How can you say podiatry is every premed's backup? Then, you contradict your statement by saying you chose podiatry. That is just ridiculous. You can't honestly think you are the only one who chose podiatry. Please...Just because you claim to have a 4.0 stop making ASSumptions about everyone else who is applying. How arrogant are you?
 
lmao this is hilarious why am i the bad guy ..... i didnt come in here and just ****t on everyone .... i just asked for some tips ..... but wen i feel like im being attacked you cant expect me to just stay put ..... besides i find this very funny
 
I know a few people who went into podiatry school as a "back-up". They didn't do to well. It's tough, no matter how you look at it. If you're not coming in committed, you're not going to make it very long.
 
well, i beat your lousy DAT score. I got a AA 19 TS 20 PAT 16. i'll let that speak for itself.

congrats on your inflated 4.0

Haha I got a 32 on the MCAT... DAT is easy my gf took both DAT and MCAT and she got a 29MCAT and for DAT a 22Ts 23PAT and a 22AA...she said she studied for like 10 days for the DAT too!!! what up now DPMstudent! don't put down people because there is always someone better than you. WHAT UP.

To the original post...dont let jerks like DPMstudent put you down...he is just being arrogant because he is already into a program that you will most likely get into in a couple years. Once you get in you will do fine
 
I've spoken with many MD's who, in retrospect, wish that they would have done podiatry. I, like nearly everybody in the field, did my homework. Believe me, podiatry was no backup.
 
Haha I got a 32 on the MCAT... DAT is easy my gf took both DAT and MCAT and she got a 29MCAT and for DAT a 22Ts 23PAT and a 22AA...she said she studied for like 10 days for the DAT too!!! what up now DPMstudent! don't put down people because there is always someone better than you. WHAT UP.

To the original post...dont let jerks like DPMstudent put you down...he is just being arrogant because he is already into a program that you will most likely get into in a couple years. Once you get in you will do fine

the DAT is easy. that was my point.
 
if you have a legit 4.0 in college you should score much better than an 18 AA, thats all there is to it
 
if you have a legit 4.0 in college you should score much better than an 18 AA, thats all there is to it

Not necessarily. Some people do better in school than they do on a standardized test. Some people aren't so great at taking standardized test, either. It's actually pretty common. That's why the admission offices look at both GPA and test scores. Test scores do not really show all of an applicant's academic ability. It's been this way in high school with people having 95 averages but only scoring 1200 on the (old) SATs, and it happens in college and grad school, too. Sure, with a 4.0 you might expect someone to score higher on the DAT, but an 18 isn't so bad either.. Besides, an 18 is above the national average.


and to change topic, well kind of.. it is SOO annoying that [pre-]pod students bash the DAT so much. Why do you all care so much what test someone takes? Pod schools don't have their own test, and so some of them accept different test scores. What's the big problem? Either way, these tests test the taker's abilities in the sciences. If you know the sciences, you should do well on either/any/all these types of tests. Just because some people decide to take the DAT or GRE or whatever other test doesn't mean they are "afraid" of the MCAT. Maybe it had to do with timing and availability and what not. I, myself, have not taken any test yet, but God d***, that's getting annoying. GOSHHHHH
 
Not necessarily. Some people do better in school than they do on a standardized test. Some people aren't so great at taking standardized test, either. It's actually pretty common. That's why the admission offices look at both GPA and test scores. Test scores do not really show all of an applicant's academic ability. It's been this way in high school with people having 95 averages but only scoring 1200 on the (old) SATs, and it happens in college and grad school, too. Sure, with a 4.0 you might expect someone to score higher on the DAT, but an 18 isn't so bad either.. Besides, an 18 is above the national average.


and to change topic, well kind of.. it is SOO annoying that [pre-]pod students bash the DAT so much. Why do you all care so much what test someone takes? Pod schools don't have their own test, and so some of them accept different test scores. What's the big problem? Either way, these tests test the taker's abilities in the sciences. If you know the sciences, you should do well on either/any/all these types of tests. Just because some people decide to take the DAT or GRE or whatever other test doesn't mean they are "afraid" of the MCAT. Maybe it had to do with timing and availability and what not. I, myself, have not taken any test yet, but God d***, that's getting annoying. GOSHHHHH

Sounds like NYCPM logic to me. In this fairy tale land, the DAT and MCAT hold the same weight...yet the admissions peeps dont even look at the perceptual ability portion of the test (you can quote me on this too, heard its straight from the admins). The DAT without the PAT portion is cake, seriously.
 
Sounds like NYCPM logic to me. In this fairy tale land, the DAT and MCAT hold the same weight...yet the admissions peeps dont even look at the perceptual ability portion of the test (you can quote me on this too, heard its straight from the admins). The DAT without the PAT portion is cake, seriously.

The admins told me that, too. They only look at TS and AA. I've taken a lot of practice tests, including the DAT. I took them without any studying, and I actually did pretty good on the perceptual ability section of the DAT. I scored higher on that section than I did in the Natural Science section.. but then again, I still have to take Gen Chem II and Org Chem 😛. I don't think the DAT is a hard test at all, but I don't think its a bad test, either... It tests basic knowledge of what you know/remember. What's the big deal? For people who take the DAT and do good on it, good for them 🙂 👍.
 
All admission tests are crap and are NOT a measure of what type of doc you will be. A great MCAT score does not mean someone is smarter, it just means they studied that much more to propare for that test. Most people I know tanked the first or second practice mcat. I have a 3.7 GPA and scored a 14 on my first practice mcat. I scored a 29O on my first real attempt after months of practice of how to take that damn test. Quit using the MCAT as some type of mesuring stick! If you really want to prove yourself, get into to med/dental.do or pod school and rock it! Get a good residency and open up a great practice. That is the true measuring stick!
 
AGREED chill ppl we all are going somewhere for grad school and will be in teh top like 10% of earners in the US which, I THINK(dont chew me out if im wrong), is the country with the most wealth in the world. also we ALL clearly are going into a health professions grad school so DUH we are all good ppl wanting to help others! there is no reason to b i t c h at everyone else because you want to debate tests or who's better...it doesnt matter we are all here to make the world a better place by improving the quality of life of our patients while being life long learners thats it case closed now quit crying about tests and whats easier-find what you like, do it well, help others, and shut the hell up! k thx bye:meanie:


LMAOo0o UR RIGHT .... i could tell u wrote a great personal statment tho lol
 
haha a great personal statement actually is a work in progress at the mo...haha
 
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