PAT 16
QR 16
RC 19
Bio 17
GC 18
OC 20
TS 18
AA 18
GPA 3.61
Are these scores a for sure retake?
QR 16
RC 19
Bio 17
GC 18
OC 20
TS 18
AA 18
GPA 3.61
Are these scores a for sure retake?
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advice about scores...
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You have a great GPA so no retake necessary.
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Man that is a tough score. You might have to retake because of PAT. You basically missed 30-40 PAT to get a 16 (I believe this is correct). If I were you I would retake, your AA is less than a 19 and your PAT is less that a 17, which is a cut off at some schools.
I watched one of the videos from Chad's site from one of the students interviewing Pen. dental school (I believe something like that) on how they evaluated the admission. As long as you are able to get an interview, you are in equal footing as other applicants. I believed the interviewers will not have accessed to your GPA or DAT scores because that way will affect the interviewers' prejudice toward the low scorers. However, they will have their hands on extracurricular, experiences, volunteers.......
So yes, if you do get an interview, you are half way there. Do well in the interview. Grasp up some experiences....
So yes, if you do get an interview, you are half way there. Do well in the interview. Grasp up some experiences....
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When I say "tough", I mean that single point that moves you from average to almost unacceptable because of cutoffs. My friend had a 20AA and they still rejected him for 3 years because of his 16 on the PAT(being one of the reason). Its not a sure retake, but I honestly think you can do much better and not worry about your DAT score. Your BIO is also weak but at least it meets the minimum. You should call the schools you are interested in and ask them what they think about your PAT score; that is my best advice.
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Not trying to hijack a thread here but the interviewers do indeed have your full application including GPA and DAT scores. Most school have 'open' folder interviews where they can literally ask you about anything. If you venture into the interview feedback portion of SDN you will find this to be true. A lot of questions were asked such as "explain your poor sGPA," or "you are a biology major...can you detail why you scored an 18 in this section?" Some schools have student interviews where upper dental students will ask questions in a closed folder manner to see how you fit within the other students. But you should be ready to answer questions about ANYTHING!!
Also, not to jump on ya Hope30, but I would think all interviewees are not judged as equals in the interviews. Just because you got an interview does not mean that the past scores are thrown out the window and everyone is level again. Everyone who IS there they might accept given a good interview. The interview is usually about 50% of the process...so they pair this new 'score' with your old stats to then send out acceptances. So yes, a person with a 18AA and an awesome interview can get in over someone with a 22AA who bombs the meet and greet. But they take everything into account after the interviews to make a final decision...
Just my 2 cents...
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This is a very good post; its probably worth 14 cents
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I'll chip in a few pennies. It's worth 17 cents.
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Nice! Anyone else?
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Im broke after submitting my application today, may I have some of your monies?
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Sure, I charge 80000% interest; its a small fee after you get out of dental school.
The PAT is such a BS section. How is it an "ability" if it's practiced to death by many applicants that have developed tricks/techniques to exploit the testing tool so that they DONT have to use perceptual ability.
The only way the PAT would be representative of perceptual ability would be if no one had access to the method or testing tools prior to taking the DAT.
If it is mearly a testing skill that can be picked up in 1.5 wks with CDP software... I dont really see the value in it.
The only way the PAT would be representative of perceptual ability would be if no one had access to the method or testing tools prior to taking the DAT.
If it is mearly a testing skill that can be picked up in 1.5 wks with CDP software... I dont really see the value in it.
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Why don't you just call the school's your interested in and ask? Don't be scurred brah.
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Perhaps dental schools know this and they are testing to see who can pick it up in those weeks of studying. Sorta like having to learn dental techniques in actual courses???
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Talking about both...
You bring up a good point that yes, the skills needed to do well on the PAT can be picked up from resources on the web and through practice. Thus, if one does well on the PAT then dental schools can rest assured that the student applied him/herself to find the techniques and practice. This will translate into dental school when they will need to acquire other techniques to perform quality work while working upside down and backwards on a patient. Or, the PAT could point out that this student is just gifted in this realm and can visualize patterns/folds etc. very well, which will also translate nicely into dental school.
Doing well on the PAT does not mean you will succeed in dental school over someone who received a 16. What it means is that the student put in effort to train and learn the skills/techniques necessary to do well. In the end this tells the dental schools that this person will do the same in future studies to achieve success in simulation labs and clinicals.
There is not one section on the DAT that is a scam or farce...they all have applications to dental school directly or indirectly. If not, the why over the course of the many years the DAT has been in existence is the PAT still on there? It must show the dental schools something extra about the student that will aid them in their decisions.
I wouldn't get worked up over it either because in the end, it will be on the test for the foreseeable future. Whether you agree with it or not, doing well can help your application and doing poorly can keep you out of dental school.
