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Hello All,

I've seen several threads regarding people's acceptances (Congrats!), but I thought it might be informative to hear what people have heard from different schools during the file reviews after a rejection. It seems like the one time the schools directly tell you what they are looking for. Also, it might help us all avoid any mistakes that previous applicants made.

Thanks!
 
I met with UF advisor and he told me why I wasn't accepted there (I did get into Auburn, though).
-He really liked all of my experiences. I worked a lot with squirrels and he wanted me to elaborate upon that b/c that stood out above other applicants. So he wanted me to talk about that in my personal statement, etc.
-My GRE score was NOT good and that had a lot to do with it (only 960 😱)
-He wanted a LOR from my first vet since I had worked the longest with him. However, as I did not tell the advisor, the first vet I worked for was 70 plus yr old and wouldn't have done a 'grammerific' job. Very old school vet, but I loved him.
-He didn't like my personal statement. He said it needed to be more concise and I should just start from scratch. I'll follow that by saying that I took a chance with my PS and told a story of the moment I decided I wanted to be a vet and how emotional it was for me. Then I talked about my love of medicine. I wanted to do something to stand out and not just say "i love animals and i've always wanted to be a vet.."

One of the docs I work for was rejected his first year and was told that he needed to document more of his animal experience. I have said this on a previous thread (which didn't seem like it was taken too well)- put ALL of your animal experience down, from your own pets you fed when you were 4 yr old to the baby bird you cared for for 2 days until it was better. The only thing my vet changed the next year was that and he got in.

Anyhow, schools are very different. I got into 1 out of the 5 schools I apllied to and it was the only one I got an interview for. So obviously my school liked something about me that 4 others didn't. Good luck applying again.
 
put ALL of your animal experience down, from your own pets you fed when you were 4 yr old to the baby bird you cared for for 2 days until it was better.

Really? CSU and Penn told me not to put down pets as animal experience. It worked for sofficat, but maybe you should check with the schools you're applying to before doing this...just my $.02
 
I actually think it states specifically on VMCAS not to put down your pets and the care for them as animal experience. If it is not on the VMCAS site, it must be on specific vet school sites - but I definitely remember seeing it.
 
I definitely put down pet owner as animal experience. Why would a vet school not count that or want that info on there? Having many pets growing up is a great advantage b/c it shows that you are used to handling and caring for pets. I've worked with new techs who want to be vets and they had to learn how to pick up a cat and what 'the look' meant on nervous dogs etc.
Anyhow, the main reason I mentioned it was b/c my vet was rejected 1st year and was told that was the reason why- b/c he didn't have much for animal experience even though he had been around animals his whole life.
Hey- I'm going to Auburn this year so I can't be that wrong 😉
 
First, a disclaimer: I only applied to one school so it is only one data point.

UC Davis said my academics were fine. I had a so-so undergrad GPA (3.2) in chemical engineering, but had a 3.7 in my MBA and a 4.0 in post-bacc sciences. GRE combined was 1510.
They said my main weakness was a lack of clinical experience. At the time I had about 200 hours volunteering in a shelter vet clinic and about 1000 hours working FT in the behavior department of a different shelter. They didn't specify how much more clinical experience I needed, but the average for successful applicants is around 3000 hours.
I had started a FT job as a vet tech after last year's application was complete, so I described my duties to them and asked if that was what they were looking for and they said yes.
Oh, and they also said that my personal statement needed to be stronger. Looking back, I think it was too superficial and didn't have anything like, um, career goals 😳 I didn't have anyone review it last year, either. This year I had my super-awesome PhD sister review it several times.

Good luck to everyone! :luck:
 
well for some schools...make your life seem like a big sob story


and be a minority if possible lol...academics not as crucial
 
we've gone through this before...you CAN put down "pets" if you did something legit with them (aka breeding, showing) or if they were farm animals. You cannot put down that you petted your puppy and he was a good dog.

Colorado told me that i was a fantastic applicant and there was no good reason why i was rejected. Hah. Made me feel a little worse, even though I think the guy was trying to make me feel better....
 
Colorado told me that i was a fantastic applicant and there was no good reason why i was rejected. Hah. Made me feel a little worse, even though I think the guy was trying to make me feel better....

Ha, me too! And I thought I was special.... 😉 I'll be damned if I don't get in this round!
 
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I'm thankful for how things turned out....I'm thankful I don't have to live in Alabama, it was kinda scary. I felt like it was 1960.

I tend to believe in fate a little bit. I was the first alternate at UGA for WV, and 9/10 that equals an acceptance. Not this time. Flat out rejected from tuskegee when the two that got accepted were less than steller applicants (got flat out rejected by OSU and UGA). It seemed like a bunch of crap but now I'm so glad I got the chance to go to SGU. I wish I would have looked into it sooner b/c I'm so pumped about it. I could have saved a trip to Tuskegee b/c eventually SGU became my number one choice.

I guess everything happens for a reason. Either way, Tuskegee and St. George as far as living resemeble third world countries. At least mine has a beautiful beach, rainforest, culture, and REAL diversity (80% black at school and 97% in town is NOT diversity...diversity means people of different races, religions, and backgrounds). Yeah I'm gonna be broke, but aren't we all? I've always wanted to travel, and now it's built into my education. It be hard to do so until you're on your feet financially...which is going to take a while for all of us.
 
....I'm thankful I don't have to live in Alabama, it was kinda scary. I felt like it was 1960.

Are you talking about tuskegee? Because I was accepted to Auburn, just moved here last week and I LOVE IT! Alabama (at least this part) is beautiful, the people are SO nice and I'm really happy that I'm now here for the next 4 years. Anyhow, just wanted to let you know that Auburn is wonderful.
 
I'm thankful for how things turned out....I'm thankful I don't have to live in Alabama, it was kinda scary. I felt like it was 1960.

I tend to believe in fate a little bit. I was the first alternate at UGA for WV, and 9/10 that equals an acceptance. Not this time. Flat out rejected from tuskegee when the two that got accepted were less than steller applicants (got flat out rejected by OSU and UGA). It seemed like a bunch of crap but now I'm so glad I got the chance to go to SGU. I wish I would have looked into it sooner b/c I'm so pumped about it. I could have saved a trip to Tuskegee b/c eventually SGU became my number one choice.

I guess everything happens for a reason. Either way, Tuskegee and St. George as far as living resemeble third world countries. At least mine has a beautiful beach, rainforest, culture, and REAL diversity (80% black at school and 97% in town is NOT diversity...diversity means people of different races, religions, and backgrounds). Yeah I'm gonna be broke, but aren't we all? I've always wanted to travel, and now it's built into my education. It be hard to do so until you're on your feet financially...which is going to take a while for all of us.

It's ok to be bitter. Have fun in the Caribbean!!
 
Yeah Auburn was nice, but about a 15 min drive from tuskegee...we checked out the town and it was kind of like Morgantown (where WVU is)...but you know I'm done with the big school type atmosphere...I need change after 4 years...and there just wasn't much in Tuskegee...and I got the impression that it was self-imposed segregation from looking on campus and hearing what some students had to say. I don't know I was just a little shocked when I got there...it felt like a time warp...and I felt like everyone in town was looking at us funny (we're caucasian). A lot of people had bars on their windows and the students said they had a couple break in's on campus (microscopes stolen).

I just wasn't too fond of it. And they were so disorganized it concerned me. I don't want to show up for class the first day and like not be enrolled or something, or not get my financial aid on time (which happened to a few people I know). You got enough to worry about with school and classes and such.

I hope that wasnt sarcasm about the bitter comment. People are allowed to be dissatisfied. Some things are just ridiculous and there's no reason not to make a joke out of it. I'm glad I'm in the situation I'm in. I loved Grenada and I'm pumped to pick out a whole new place to go my fourth year. It's cool to have that kind of opportunity.
 
UF said my interview "didn't go very well" and that's why I was rejected.

Maybe it was true, maybe it was just a reason they felt they had to come up with and not discourage me from this year.

I lost the family member who I was closest to and watched her die over a 72 hour period 36 hours before my interview, so I really don't remember much. I'm sure I looked like crap (had no sleep in a week) and they were wondering why I looked like a zombie.

I tried to go in perky and confident so I wouldn't lose it. Maybe they saw the confidence as arrogance. I just didn't want to start crying my eyes out and I knew I would if I had a hint of weakness.

So I'm not really sure if the interview did suck (and I'm sure they are right, b/c I don't remember much looking back now)...I just hope it didn't suck so bad they thought I was strung out on drugs and it hurts my chances this year. If I was on the fence, and the interview made or broke it, I'm sure I broke it.

Here's to this year. At least I'm almost done with my vet app and will prob sumbit in the next couple of weeks.
 
well for some schools...make your life seem like a big sob story


and be a minority if possible lol...academics not as crucial



Hope I am interpreting this comment incorrectly but if not (and even if its meant to be a joke) this statement is so NOT cool and is distasteful.👎

The profession does not need that kind of thinking.
 
I'm thankful for how things turned out....I'm thankful I don't have to live in Alabama, it was kinda scary. I felt like it was 1960.

I tend to believe in fate a little bit. I was the first alternate at UGA for WV, and 9/10 that equals an acceptance. Not this time. Flat out rejected from tuskegee when the two that got accepted were less than steller applicants (got flat out rejected by OSU and UGA). It seemed like a bunch of crap but now I'm so glad I got the chance to go to SGU. I wish I would have looked into it sooner b/c I'm so pumped about it. I could have saved a trip to Tuskegee b/c eventually SGU became my number one choice.

I guess everything happens for a reason. Either way, Tuskegee and St. George as far as living resemeble third world countries. At least mine has a beautiful beach, rainforest, culture, and REAL diversity (80% black at school and 97% in town is NOT diversity...diversity means people of different races, religions, and backgrounds). QUOTE]


But you considered going to UGA or OSU where the percentage of whites is close (if not mirrors) what you observed at Tuskegee with the black population? Welcome to a minority person's world where at most instituitions of higher learning the majority (whites) is 80% or more! Out of curiosity, what is the breakdown of culture at St. Georges (the university and the island)?😕

Pity you didn't get accepted at 'Skegee. You would have added to the diversity in more ways than one.
 
But you considered going to UGA or OSU where the percentage of whites is close (if not mirrors) what you observed at Tuskegee with the black population? Welcome to a minority person's world where at most instituitions of higher learning the majority (whites) is 80% or more! Out of curiosity, what is the breakdown of culture at St. Georges (the university and the island)?😕

Pity you didn't get accepted at 'Skegee. You would have added to the diversity in more ways than one.

Amen.
 
FYI-
From the following website: http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Americas/Grenada.html

Grenada's population is youthful, with 38 percent of Grenadians under the age of 15. A majority of the population lives in rural villages, and the World Bank estimates that only 37 percent are urban dwellers. The island is small enough for people to work or conduct their business in St. George's without living in the capital. About 85 percent of the population is of African decent, with smaller mixed-race and Indian communities.

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85%!!!!! Looks similar to what was quoted for the percentage at 'Skegee. The site further comments on religious diversity and the major language...I argue that the same type diversity could probably be found at 'Skegee had anyone bothered to investigate further. One could estimate that the same percentages (or very close) are seen in the capital city of St. Georges.

Can't comment on St. Georges University racial/cultural diversity as there were no profiles of the class that I could find and the only pictures had Caucasions in them. Most likely the other races/culture of people attending SGU CVM were not at school that day 😀. Perhaps someone else could share that information.
 
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I had an interview with AVC in PEI, Canada, and when I arrived there was another guy who was also there for an interview as well. Now, I have lived a pretty normal life, my GPA was a 3.4 and my GRE was 1100. I have tons of clinical and research experience, as well as husbandry (vet schools love it when you work at a dairy, because its damn hard work getting up at 4:30 to milk!) but this guy was from a dairy, was an Iraq War veteran, and managed a Standardbred breeding farm! :scared: I figured I was toast once he gave them his interview! They seem to like "hardships" like that. They seemed really impressed with my undergraduate research, but when I asked about the research they did at AVC, they really couldn't give me an answer. I did get accepted, however, when you interview keep in mind the college's goals at the same time. I made the mistake of not looking in AVC's research endeavors nor their specialties as a hospital. AVC is a very nice school, it is expensive (thank god Iowa pulled through!!), they seem to have an extensive small animal emphasis. The whole international student deal would have been exhaustive and problematic for my fiance.

Now that I think of it, any rejections that I received did not specify where I was lacking. I am assuming it was my GPA/GRE...

Ugrad research is usually a big hit...it shows well roundedness in science especially if you have strong clinical/husbandry/animal experience to flank it 🙂
 
But you considered going to UGA or OSU where the percentage of whites is close (if not mirrors) what you observed at Tuskegee with the black population? Welcome to a minority person's world where at most instituitions of higher learning the majority (whites) is 80% or more! Out of curiosity, what is the breakdown of culture at St. Georges (the university and the island)?😕

Pity you didn't get accepted at 'Skegee. You would have added to the diversity in more ways than one.

The fact is that for 2007 applicants 76% are white while only 1.92% are African American; therefore, one would expect to see that statistic mirrored in the incoming class. There is a difference between valuing diversity and letting that play a role in admissions, and making someone's ethnicity on of the primary factors in an admissions decision (which has to be the case when you look at the % of minorities that applied at Tuskegee and the % that compose the incoming class).
 
wow dead vet, I bet your fun at parties

I'm shootin the breeze here, nothing serious.

Why consider UGA....b/c it was a contract school...easy choice there

Again, being a certain race doesn't = diversity

Diversity is great (especially when it's real), but not the number 1 factor for admissions. Nor was it my number one factor.

Old south Alabama or the rich culture of Grenada...there's more there than a school you know. I'm sorry, but that Tuskegee AL, despite racial percentages, is not diverse to me.

I didn't realize I was such a disgrace to the vet field....I apologize lol

Reverse racism isn't a solution. I'd rather have a real solution to racial problems in the work place.

I apologize for liking Grenada better
 
well for some schools...make your life seem like a big sob story


and be a minority if possible lol...academics not as crucial

There were 4 pages dedicated to you explaining hardships in your life, the more you could pull out your butt, the better. I wasn't going to do this, but I bet a lot of people could sure make mountains out of mole hills.
 
Max power I have to say I agree (and congrats getting in at St. George's!). Even the VMCAS application gives you every opportunity you can to explain away bad grades or lack of experience because you had something "happen" to you. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. I'm sure there are a lot of very deserving people that had some very unique circumstances to overcome. I just think they throw it at you. I felt a bit guilty for not having anything to put in those boxes.

Deadvet....seriously there is a huge difference between promoting diversity and rejecting applicants because they're not a minority. A lot of those schools that are 80% white have recruiting programs for minorities. Michigan State has Vetward Bound - a great concept though a bit misguided and not executed well enough. They use it to recruit minorities in high school to come to Michigan State for undergrad and work toward veterinary school. Unfortunately many of the people they accept into the program probably shouldn't have been admitted here for undergrad, let alone veterinary school. One of the girls in my dairy management class was basically already accepted because of this program. She was the laziest, dumbest student in that class. I'm sure CVM has rules that you have to maintain a certain GPA to stay in the program and get accepted so I doubt she will actually make it here but I will be very scared if she does.

One of my friends was giving a tour of our local zoo to a group of Vetward Bound students. They talked throughout her entire presentation and seemed to have absolutely no respect for her. I admit veterinary medicine needs more diversity, but I DO NOT think we should sacrifice academic excellence and passion for the profession just to attract more minorities. Heck the MSU Class of 2010 feels diverse because 19 of the 111 members are MEN!! We had "a lot" of guys this year (apparently a class that graduated a few years back had 4 men, 96 women).
 
Max

I just wanted to chime in on what I noticed at tuskegee when I interviewed there. Although the majority of undergraduates there were african american, I did noticed when I tour the vet school itself, most of the student were caucasian. Actually, I didn't see any students that were black/minority. I thought this was paticularly interesting.

I can't say that I am a little offended by your comments. I feel like you're saying that I was accepted b/c I am a minority and not b/c I worked hard. Maybe you're just generalizing, which is not right either. You don't know that specifics of each applicant to make the general statement that under par minorities are being accepted over more qualified caucasian applicants. Maybe, you are a great student but you didn't do well at the interview. that's just my guess.

I'm glad you're happy about going to SGU, but you need not imply that Alabama has nothing to offer in terms of culture. Alabama was the battleground for the civil rights movement in this country and has a temedous amount of culture has evolved from that. In the 1960, the Freedom Rides happened. Student civil right demonstrators were getting the **** beat of of them (literally) by the local government for using public bathrooms in greyhound stations. I doubt that was happenning when you were there. Just a little a respect.

It's okay that you're dissatisfied. I was too about their organization too (one of the reasons I declined acceptance). But the way I felt during this whole application process is that you're applying to their school. It's their school and they have the right to take their time. do it their way. It's a little pretentious to demand anything from them or any of the schools. Also, if the four pages to write one's "sob story" you mentioned referred to Tuskegee's application, those four pages were wide ruled one sided sheets that you had to hand write. I felt that it wasn't enough to write anything substantial at all.

I sorry if I seem alittle hard about my response, like I said, I was a little offended.
 
Max

I just wanted to chime in on what I noticed at tuskegee when I interviewed there. Although the majority of undergraduates there were african american, I did noticed when I tour the vet school itself, most of the student were caucasian. Actually, I didn't see any students that were black/minority. I thought this was paticularly interesting.

I can't say that I am a little offended by your comments. I feel like you're saying that I was accepted b/c I am a minority and not b/c I worked hard. Maybe you're just generalizing, which is not right either. You don't know that specifics of each applicant to make the general statement that under par minorities are being accepted over more qualified caucasian applicants. Maybe, you are a great student but you didn't do well at the interview. that's just my guess.

I'm glad you're happy about going to SGU, but you need not imply that Alabama has nothing to offer in terms of culture. Alabama was the battleground for the civil rights movement in this country and has a temedous amount of culture has evolved from that. In the 1960, the Freedom Rides happened. Student civil right demonstrators were getting the **** beat of of them (literally) by the local government for using public bathrooms in greyhound stations. I doubt that was happenning when you were there. Just a little a respect.

It's okay that you're dissatisfied. I was too about their organization too (one of the reasons I declined acceptance). But the way I felt during this whole application process is that you're applying to their school. It's their school and they have the right to take their time. do it their way. It's a little pretentious to demand anything from them or any of the schools. Also, if the four pages to write one's "sob story" you mentioned referred to Tuskegee's application, those four pages were wide ruled one sided sheets that you had to hand write. I felt that it wasn't enough to write anything substantial at all.

I sorry if I seem alittle hard about my response, like I said, I was a little offended.

At no point did I ever say Alabama had no culture. Someone tried to imply Grenada was no different than AL, and I don't see how a google search can give you a fair basis for an opinion when you've never seen the area. And during my trip there was only one white student participating in the whole interview process/tour dealy. The students at my school came from poor parts of wv, and they were white. But then again color isn't the first thing I think about and I tend to forgot others don't think that way. I had classes with them, and know their stats. All I'm saying is both I and the other vet schools didn't think they were qualified, and that's strictly an opinion.

I don't understand how asking for at least a rejection letter or giving you more than 3 days notice is being pretentious. It's common courtesy and also reflects badly on their school, as does not answering phones, returning messages and email, etc. The others schools seem to handle this adequetly (sp?). While they are interviewing us, we're interviewing them as well. There's no reason you can't look around and say, eh, this isn't for me. I did not like much about the area (strictly personal preference, I don't want to drive 15 min to a town just like the one I was at for four years...grew up in a tiny town and want something different), thought they were disorganized as you mentioned, and felt not enough stress was put on the academic attributes of the student.

That being said, that could only affect a few students. It's not good academics/no diversity or bad academics/diversity. There's probably tons of people that get accepted, maybe you included, that have kick ass academics/extracurriculars/experience and are also a minority. I think that's what gets left out of the argument. And honestly, all things equal I think a minority should be accepted. I could have played up the fact that I also come from a poor small town, moved a lot, and even that I have cherokee heritage. I'm sorry I just don't think that's how it should work. I think diversity is great. However, being white shouldn't hurt people, as we've seen at some schools like Michigan, where the differences in academics were vast between whites that got rejected and minorities that got in. As in, no interview could make up for the fact.

Nothing from my posts implies that your not qualified and that you were accepted b/c your a minority. I've never met you! It's so easy to jump on that wagon whenever race comes into an arguemnt. I think most agree that race shouldn't trump all other attributes of an applicant, as someone discussed above. Did that happen at tuskegee? Who knows, but I think we can still agree that it shouldnt.

Look my posts aren't that serious. I was saying for one reason or another (whether I did crappy or not) I didn't get in and in the end it was for the better. I think that's a positive thing. I tend to make jokes about less than ideal situations. All I was saying is that if you look at the living conditions of the towns of Tuskegee and St. George they looked similar (not much around, kinda poor), and I was making lemons out of lemonade by saying there's a beach. I'm sorry, but I got the impression that there was some self-imposed segregation, and a couple of students I know felt the same. I don't want to be punished for being a certain race any more than anyone else does (and I don't need a constent lecture about civil rights and how my ancestors where slave owners - they weren't). Nor do I want to feel the need to be around people like me. I like to be around all sorts of people. We're all different. If someone says they prefer a certain area for whatever reasons, you can't argue that. We're all different. Some people hate cold weather, some people hate cities, etc.

Grenada is beautiful and yes there is a lot of culture there and that's one attribute...it's also completely foreign and new. There's also a lot of opportunities that suit my interests (hiking in the rainforest, snorkeling, marine life, scuba, etc). I'm intersted in exotics and marine life. Now for the person that likes the midwest and wants to do large animals, they might hate Grenada. And that's their opinion, I can't tell them they're wrong.

My point was, being black doesn't mean your going to contribute to diversity, especially in a predominantly black area. Especially if you going to segregate yourself and don't try to learn from others different from you. Let's face it a lot of people do this (this is the south remember). Yes sgu is 85% caucasian but again race != diversity. That 15% comes from all over the world. The people of the island come from African slave/french descent and theres also those from British decent. The people from the states also come from all over. And it's a completely different country, with different customs and so on.
 
Lets talk about rejection feedback! I would like to hear more stories so I can just quit now....I'm not quitting, just chemistry and physics make me want to quit and clean stalls for a living. I have been around vets and I don't recall a single time they had to use the quadratic equation to figure out how long its going to take for a truck to stop. Maybe if they were a forensic veterinarian that would be a different story.
 
And in the interview there was no real discussion about my academics/experience.

The interviewers' english was impossible to understand.

One of their questions was "why didn't you go to virginia tech?" (odd question)....I answer nicely explaining that I'm from West Virginia so i got a promise scholarship to my HOME states school. He looked confused, and asked the question again. Western VA != WV

Another one was "are vets better people than mds" wtf?

The rest was diversity questions, how am i going to handle living there etc (like it's so hard for us ignorant racist white people to get along)

and they had my name down as Sandy.

I like to know that I was rejected...not that I was forgot about (heard some horror stories)
 
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Max

I just wanted to chime in on what I noticed at tuskegee when I interviewed there. Although the majority of undergraduates there were african american, I did noticed when I tour the vet school itself, most of the student were caucasian. Actually, I didn't see any students that were black/minority. I thought this was paticularly interesting.

I can't say that I am a little offended by your comments. I feel like you're saying that I was accepted b/c I am a minority and not b/c I worked hard. Maybe you're just generalizing, which is not right either. You don't know that specifics of each applicant to make the general statement that under par minorities are being accepted over more qualified caucasian applicants. Maybe, you are a great student but you didn't do well at the interview. that's just my guess.

I'm glad you're happy about going to SGU, but you need not imply that Alabama has nothing to offer in terms of culture. Alabama was the battleground for the civil rights movement in this country and has a temedous amount of culture has evolved from that. In the 1960, the Freedom Rides happened. Student civil right demonstrators were getting the **** beat of of them (literally) by the local government for using public bathrooms in greyhound stations. I doubt that was happenning when you were there. Just a little a respect.

It's okay that you're dissatisfied. I was too about their organization too (one of the reasons I declined acceptance). But the way I felt during this whole application process is that you're applying to their school. It's their school and they have the right to take their time. do it their way. It's a little pretentious to demand anything from them or any of the schools. Also, if the four pages to write one's "sob story" you mentioned referred to Tuskegee's application, those four pages were wide ruled one sided sheets that you had to hand write. I felt that it wasn't enough to write anything substantial at all.

I sorry if I seem alittle hard about my response, like I said, I was a little offended.

At no point did I ever say Alabama had no culture. Someone tried to imply Grenada was no different than AL, and I don't see how a google search can give you a fair basis for an opinion when you've never seen the area. And during my trip there was only one white student participating in the whole interview process/tour dealy. The students at my school came from poor parts of wv, and they were white. But then again color isn't the first thing I think about and I tend to forgot others don't think that way. I had classes with them, and know their stats. All I'm saying is both I and the other vet schools didn't think they were qualified, and that's strictly an opinion.

I don't understand how asking for at least a rejection letter or giving you more than 3 days notice is being pretentious. It's common courtesy and also reflects badly on their school, as does not answering phones, returning messages and email, etc. The others schools seem to handle this adequetly (sp?). While they are interviewing us, we're interviewing them as well. There's no reason you can't look around and say, eh, this isn't for me. I did not like much about the area (strictly personal preference, I don't want to drive 15 min to a town just like the one I was at for four years...grew up in a tiny town and want something different), thought they were disorganized as you mentioned, and felt not enough stress was put on the academic attributes of the student.

That being said, that could only affect a few students. It's not good academics/no diversity or bad academics/diversity. There's probably tons of people that get accepted, maybe you included, that have kick ass academics/extracurriculars/experience and are also a minority. I think that's what gets left out of the argument. And honestly, all things equal I think a minority should be accepted. I could have played up the fact that I also come from a poor small town, moved a lot, and even that I have cherokee heritage. I'm sorry I just don't think that's how it should work. I think diversity is great. However, being white shouldn't hurt people, as we've seen at some schools like Michigan, where the differences in academics were vast between whites that got rejected and minorities that got in. As in, no interview could make up for the fact.

Nothing from my posts implies that your not qualified and that you were accepted b/c your a minority. I've never met you! It's so easy to jump on that wagon whenever race comes into an arguemnt. I think most agree that race shouldn't trump all other attributes of an applicant, as someone discussed above. Did that happen at tuskegee? Who knows, but I think we can still agree that it shouldnt.

Look my posts aren't that serious. I was saying for one reason or another (whether I did crappy or not) I didn't get in and in the end it was for the better. I think that's a positive thing. I tend to make jokes about less than ideal situations. All I was saying is that if you look at the living conditions of the towns of Tuskegee and St. George they looked similar (not much around, kinda poor), and I was making lemons out of lemonade by saying there's a beach. I'm sorry, but I got the impression that there was some self-imposed segregation, and a couple of students I know felt the same. I don't want to be punished for being a certain race any more than anyone else does (and I don't need a constent lecture about civil rights and how my ancestors where slave owners - they weren't). Nor do I want to feel the need to be around people like me. I like to be around all sorts of people. We're all different. If someone says they prefer a certain area for whatever reasons, you can't argue that. We're all different. Some people hate cold weather, some people hate cities, etc.

Grenada is beautiful and yes there is a lot of culture there and that's one attribute...it's also completely foreign and new. There's also a lot of opportunities that suit my interests (hiking in the rainforest, snorkeling, marine life, scuba, etc). I'm intersted in exotics and marine life. Now for the person that likes the midwest and wants to do large animals, they might hate Grenada. And that's their opinion, I can't tell them they're wrong.

My point was, being black doesn't mean your going to contribute to diversity, especially in a predominantly black area. Especially if you going to segregate yourself and don't try to learn from others different from you. Let's face it a lot of people do this (this is the south remember). Yes sgu is 85% caucasian but again race != diversity. That 15% comes from all over the world. The people of the island come from African slave/french descent and theres also those from British decent. The people from the states also come from all over. And it's a completely different country, with different customs and so on.
 
mistake, 85% American not caucasian


I want my race-free mind back!
 
Thank you GallopRealyFast for trying to get this thread back on track (its gotten majorly derailed). I started this thread to help all of us learn from previous rejection feedback.
 
Not to sound arrogant, but CSU told me they didn't really have a good reason to tell my why I didn't get in this year! (Pssssh!) So then I asked what I could do to improve for the following year.... they said to maybe rewrite my personal statement and be a bit more focused on vet medicine itself, instead of "the journey". okay. done 🙂 oh, and take the GRE again, because one can always improve.

UC Davis told me that my GPA isn't stellar, my GRE isn't great, I don't have a lot of large animal experience, my personal statement needs some work..... WOW! (and that's all probably true) With that said, I'm doing what I can about my grades (but since I already have a B.S. it's not going to change all that much) and I'm definately working on my GRE, and my personal statement is rewritten.

Basically, and I've been told this many times, that if you ask the adcoms what to improve on, and they see the next year that you took their advice, that's a good thing. But if you did nothing to their advice, then they probably won't accept you the next year either. Even if you made an effort, but not what they told you to do, because you obviously can't follow directions either!
 
Basically, and I've been told this many times, that if you ask the adcoms what to improve on, and they see the next year that you took their advice, that's a good thing. But if you did nothing to their advice, then they probably won't accept you the next year either. Even if you made an effort, but not what they told you to do, because you obviously can't follow directions either!

I think this is exactly it. What they are going to tell you is 1) raise your GPA, 2) raise your GRE 3) rewrite you PS 4) strengthen the depth/breadth of your experience. They do kind of have to give you a reason, even if they don't have a solid reason - and exactly as rexosaurus said if you have showed effort in the area they tell you to improve upon it is a good sign, but if you didn't you really don't have a shot from what I've heard.
 
Basically, and I've been told this many times, that if you ask the adcoms what to improve on, and they see the next year that you took their advice, that's a good thing. But if you did nothing to their advice, then they probably won't accept you the next year either. Even if you made an effort, but not what they told you to do, because you obviously can't follow directions either!

Rex, I know this is an older post but I just "found" it and I wasnt participating last year. Anyway, Im curious about your feedback because most schools do not keep records from previous app cycles, so how would they know that you completed recommended changes?
 
Rex, I know this is an older post but I just "found" it and I wasnt participating last year. Anyway, Im curious about your feedback because most schools do not keep records from previous app cycles, so how would they know that you completed recommended changes?

Where did you get that information? I am positive that OSU keeps records and looks back on previous cycles. I seriously doubt that schools throw away that info, I imagine they actually have to keep those records for a certain amount of time.
 
Adcom conversation
Adcom; Most things look good. Suggestions; Retake chemistry courses and get A's (I had C's), retake your GRE (it can only get better-Wrong! I'll explain keep reading) Refine PS and include detailed information about future goals.
Are you still interested in working in animal behavior?
Me: Yes
Adcom: Then you should be working in the field that you have interest in. And do you have any LA experience?
Me: Yes, 20+ years my family owns a farm and I did an internship at an Equine Medical Referral Center.
Adcom: Then you need to document that
Me: I did
Adcom: (rustling papers) O hear it is. okay, well you may want to make that more clear?
Me: (puzzled wondering how I can make it more clear than including it in my animal and veterinary experiences) How should I do that?
Adcom: You might include that in your PS

Okay overall I was happy with the feedback I received. I found out that UGA only calculates your Overall GPA from the last 8 yrs. So for older students with not so great early grades, that is fantastic for me. Ive matured as a student and my newer course work is stellar. Since the chem courses she suggested would not only boost my Science GPA and my Overall GPA since they would be recent- I agreed that would be time well invested. Which I did and got A's straight across the board-Wahoo! (Gen Chem I & II concurrently during the summer-whew-dont recc that to anyone.)

But, I was disappointed with the comments about my LA experience. Did they examine my app throughly? or did they look at my grades and then not bother to go further?

As to the PS, every vet I spoke to (more than 5; new and old) told me not to specify a interest because adcoms want to think your open to new ideas and situtations and that your flexible. So, I discussed a general interest in animal behavior but then also mentioned that I realized this may change based on my experiences at school. So I dont know about that?

Finally the GRE😡 I think Im the only person in the world that actually does worse each time I take it. My AW goes up but my V&Q go down each time-Go figure. I think its because I get eye strain looking at the computer. The bad news is UGA is not one of the schools that uses the highest score from each section seperately. So their choices for me include High V&C with low AW or vice versa.
But who knows...I'll keep ya posted
Hope this helps somebody.
 
Adcom conversation
Adcom:
Are you still interested in working in animal behavior?
Me: Yes
Adcom: Then you should be working in the field that you have interest in. And do you have any LA experience?
Me: Yes, 20+ years my family owns a farm and I did an internship at an Equine Medical Referral Center.
Adcom: Then you need to document that
Me: I did
Adcom: (rustling papers) O hear it is. okay, well you may want to make that more clear?
Me: (puzzled wondering how I can make it more clear than including it in my animal and veterinary experiences) How should I do that?
Adcom: You might include that in your PS

Okay overall I was happy with the feedback I received. I found out that UGA only calculates your Overall GPA from the last 8 yrs. So for older students with not so great early grades, that is fantastic for me. Ive matured as a student and my newer course work is stellar. Since the chem courses she suggested would not only boost my Science GPA and my Overall GPA since they would be recent- I agreed that would be time well invested. Which I did and got A's straight across the board-Wahoo! (Gen Chem I & II concurrently during the summer-whew-dont recc that to anyone.)

But, I was disappointed with the comments about my LA experience. Did they examine my app throughly? or did they look at my grades and then not bother to go further?

As to the PS, every vet I spoke to (more than 5; new and old) told me not to specify a interest because adcoms want to think your open to new ideas and situtations and that your flexible. So, I discussed a general interest in animal behavior but then also mentioned that I realized this may change based on my experiences at school. So I dont know about that?

The comment about working with an animal behaviorist😎. Okay maybe Ive picked a bad specialty to express an interest in but the closest animal behaviorist is 2 states away. Hence my interest, because there isnt one where I live and we are constantly sending out referrals. So, my Dr. and I devised a plan. We started offering personalized training classes and LVT appts. where she makes up a tx plan for behavior issues that I feel I can tackle with her oversight and consultation. This has actually been the most enjoyable thing at work and I love it! (Moral-be creative)

Finally the GRE😡 I think Im the only person in the world that actually does worse each time I take it. My AW goes up but my V&Q go down each time-Go figure. I think its because I get eye strain looking at the computer. The bad news is UGA is not one of the schools that uses the highest score from each section seperately. So their choices for me include High V&C with low AW or vice versa.
But who knows...I'll keep ya posted
Hope this helps somebody.

I'm not entirely sure that it is the best choice to put everything in your VMCAS in your personal statement as well. Not to disprespect UGA in any way, but it seems as though the person you spoke with was perhaps preoccupied or not as well organized as they should have been. I was told to direct my personal statement more toward vet med as the profession, instead of the journey there. Also to describe my career goals, and what I would like to go into when I graduated. That, to me, definately tells me to speak up about a specialty if I had one in mind. They also made clear, that if I am interested in a specialty that I had better had some very strong experience in it (otherwise how do I know I am genuinely interested in it?)

Also, they do keep your applications on file, and they do compare them year after year, absolutely. If they didn't do this, how would they know if you improved or remained sedentary?

I'm sorry about your luck with the GRE. Have you thought about a tutor or a Kaplan class or something?

Lastly, are you applying anywhere besides UGA? This might be another option to consider 🙂
 
This year only UGA but I've applied to several schools including NCSU, VA-MD and FL and they all told me they dont keep past year applications. Maybe its different on the east coast?
 
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Where did you get that information? I am positive that OSU keeps records and looks back on previous cycles. I seriously doubt that schools throw away that info, I imagine they actually have to keep those records for a certain amount of time.

In the CSU reject letter this year, it does say that if you apply there again they will not reference a previous application, basically your next application would be a blank slate.
 
Also, they do keep your applications on file, and they do compare them year after year, absolutely. If they didn't do this, how would they know if you improved or remained sedentary?

I disagree.. there's not enough time or personnel to cross reference all the applicants with previous applications and file reviews. If you got advice and took it and it worked for you.. draw the adcom's attention to it next year in your explanation statement. On the VMCAS application they see this before they see your GRE and grades.
 
I disagree.. there's not enough time or personnel to cross reference all the applicants with previous applications and file reviews. If you got advice and took it and it worked for you.. draw the adcom's attention to it next year in your explanation statement. On the VMCAS application they see this before they see your GRE and grades.

It doesn't take that much time. Usually each person has a file and they file the current and previous apps in it. They also have a page that tell them what they advised you from the previous year. It is really not that hard and I know that some, if not many schools do this. Are you just speculating that it would be too difficult?
 
It doesn't take that much time. Usually each person has a file and they file the current and previous apps in it. They also have a page that tell them what they advised you from the previous year. It is really not that hard and I know that some, if not many schools do this. Are you just speculating that it would be too difficult?

Not speculating.. Just speaking from the AdCom I sit on (granted just one school). The files we see do not contain past applications.
 
This year only UGA but I've applied to several schools including NCSU, VA-MD and FL and they all told me they dont keep past year applications. Maybe its different on the east coast?

This is my third year applying to UF - no interview the first year I applied, got an interview last year (second year I applied), but did not get in. I spoke with Dean Thompson (then the Dean of Students and Instruction) about how to improve my chances of getting in and he was very familar with my applications from the previous two years as he mentioned my GRE scores from those 2 application cycles and other things that were specific to those application cycles. He told me what to do to improve on my chances on getting in and I was mailed a copy of what was discussed and a copy was also placed in my file. So I do believe that Florida keeps previous years applications.
 
Regarding the whole PS issue ... maybe I'm the only one who did this, but I specifically addressed the three (I think) things that VMCAS said to in the prompt: career goals, past experiences, and why I want to be a vet. Theoretically, any past experiences should lead into career goals, and why I want to be a vet is like a paragraph, so there should be plenty of room 🙂 I was also told that when I specify a career goal, I should have hours to match it (asked WI if it would be better to say I wanted to be LA -- apparently only if you have the hours to "back up that decision"). Just a thought.
 
Finally the GRE😡 I think Im the only person in the world that actually does worse each time I take it.


😳 Nope! I took the GRE, Davis told me to "raise my verbal by 10 (yes flipin 10) points" So I busted my but for 4 months studying like crazy for the verbal section. Test day Qand A exact same scores as first test. V...-30 points!!!!!!!!!😡😡😡😡

Then I pulled my SAT scores, noticed that I scored verbal the exact same score as my first GRE and decided that I am not taking that dang test ever again.......................................

Didn't even get an interview at Davis for my second app🙄
but I also got into 5 schools😀:zip:
 
Really? CSU and Penn told me not to put down pets as animal experience. It worked for sofficat, but maybe you should check with the schools you're applying to before doing this...just my $.02

I hadn't heard that - maybe it's why Penn's rejected me twice now! 😛

I remember being told by someone at Va/Md to put down pet ownership under animal experience.
 
I was told last year to expand the breadth of my experience. I have thousands of hours of shelter experience, and a summers worth of ecology research, but not much else. Since last year, I've gotten some hours working at an emergency vet and I've gotten some hours volunteering at a horse rescue. I'm hoping that's enough, but I'm still worried it won't be.

I get exposed to a lot of specialty vets through the shelter - we refer patients to orthopedic surgeons, ophthalmologists, dentists, cardiologists, dermatologists, etc. I'm usually the one who takes the animal in to the appointment with the specialist. When they find out I want to be a vet, they usually let me come back with the animal and watch as they perform diagnostics and exams. They also often talk to me a little about their specialty or about what they're doing. I've visited with some of these specialists numerous times. I wasn't sure how (or even if) I should include this in my veterinary experience, though, so I incorporated it into my personal statement. I'm hoping that works.
 
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