Advice Please!

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.

oconnd

New Member
7+ Year Member
Joined
Jun 11, 2015
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Warning, Long post. I am wondering what advice anyone has to offer regarding the reality of what I hope to accomplish.


I’m a 25 year old male, returning student. 7 years ago I went out of state to do a traditional pre-med program; unfortunately it did not go well for me. For reasons to be described later. I ended up on academic probation and moving back home to try and straighten things out. In the mean time I went through the EMT-Basic program followed by the accelerated paramedic coursework. I have always been a hands on learner and done fantastic in lab or such hands on courses. Labs were always close to perfect scores, lectures not so much. I was doing fantastic in the A.S. Paramedic program until we got through the skills and got into the more lecture style courses. I went from an almost perfect score to almost being dropped from the program again. My instructor recommended I see someone for depression and was concerned with me. I was always falling asleep, which may have been from staying up late trying re-learn what I didn’t pick up in the lectures the previous day. By this point I had worked in EMS for 2 years and loved it. I did anything I could to stay in the program so I went in, turns out I have ADHD. I began medication for this and other lifestyle changes to give myself the best opportunity to succeed and it worked. Since the day of my first appointment, I have been a 4.0 student. Great! However, has to contend with the 2.46 from my previous attempts at school. To this day, I have completed my Paramedic A.S. and multiple other courses for the Fire/EMS field including incident command and FEMA programs. These small classes have brought my cumulative GPA up to a 2.97. Many times I have contemplated if I have everything under control enough to go back to school and am now taking the jump. Going to school for my B.S. Emergency Management. Two years of school plus the necessary sciences for medical college admission…


Work has included lifeguarding, teaching first aid/CPR classes, working as a Firefighter/Paramedic, teaching EMS courses and most recently, working in a hospital ER. I volunteer on the State Special Olympics Medical Team and travel to the larger events with athletes.


I can still honestly say that today I wake up with the same desire to be a physician as I have had for the last 10+ years. I know it will not be easy, but if you don’t try the answer will always be “no”.


So, Questions…

1) Medical School Admissions are not the kind to send the sympathy card and take you under their wing, so first and foremost, does attending medical school in the near future even sound realistic? I was hoping to have my B.S. done and most sciences in the next two years to start applying.


2) I have read that having ADHD is not beneficial to disclose when it comes to applying for medical school. Given my circumstance, would disclosure of it be beneficial or no?


3) Is there anything that can be done about the original not so favorable bad grades? I will obviously be re-taking the classes, but that can only do so much.


4) Does anyone have any advice for succeeding in school with ADHD that would help? Any medical students that have overcame it? There are varying severities so I’d prefer not to hear “it’s over diagnosed” or “anyone can succeed with medication.” I hear those more than enough as is.


5) What could be done to make myself more marketable, besides rocking the MCAT… I have considered research jobs around my area, however, there are none within a feasible driving distance.


6) Do medical schools prefer B.S. degrees that do not contain online learning? The degree I am looking at, to be able to work while going to school, is primarily an online program. Very self(and fast) paced.

Thank you for reading this and offering any advice you have!
 
I can answer some questions, but I'll let @gyngyn and @Goro hit the more specific points...

When it comes to retaking grades- DO schools replace those grades. MD schools do not (they take averages of the 2) so depending on what grade you are retaking, ie c/d/f this makes a difference

With "marketability"- volunteering in clinical and non clinical settings, shadowing doctors (both DO/MD) and getting a letter of recommendation from them, lab work is weighed more heavily in MD schools, but definitely not frowned on in DO, but remember volunteering in and shadowing.

Schools only take on campus degrees (to my knowledge). Also, remember med school is not online and you haven't faired well in that setting in the past. It's a good idea to start getting comfortable there and relearn your note taking and study habits and what you need to do for classroom learning. Also, online learning is a lot more difficult than you may think, but that's beside the point. Get back into the classroom and practice like you're a real life med student and prove yourself. Get those As. I've read gyngyn say "everyone loves a comeback story". You need to show you're ready NOW and you're not the same student you were.

Everything else about the ADHD disclosure etc and admissions I'll leave to adcoms and others
 
I'm not sure if this makes a difference, the degree is through a University of Wisconsin System and each individual class is offered online, Hybrid, or In person. My adviser said it is more than possible to complete the entire degree online as it is geared towards fire/ems personnel with odd schedules. Thus I consider it an online degree, however there may be a difference. The sciences, however, would also be done at the same university and would be done in person on campus. I would like to do the lectures online or hybrid if possible to reduce the commute (2 hours to the nearest university). I may have to follow up with them about the online courses because if they wouldn't fulfill the requirements for admission, that would be a long two years only to have to pursue another Bachelors in person.

Luckily for me, since having been diagnosed and begun treatment, my classroom setting courses are going very well. I will have to prove that though... I have done very well in online learning as well and thrive when given the opportunity of being self paced.

Thank you very much for the input! Definitely things to look into!
 
If you can prove yourself academically in the classroom over the next two years, I think you can make it. You've got the beginning of a terrific story.

As to disclosing ADHD - yeah, it's normally advised against. But your story may be that rare exception when it makes sense to discuss -- in the interview though, not in your personal statement. There are many medical students with ADHD for whom taking medication has proven to be a godsend.
 
It will be important to have your ADHD documented so that if accepted, and you need accommodations, these can be provided.


Not until you demonstrate that you can handle a med school curriculum. retake all F/D/C science coursework, and do well on MCAT. A post-bac or SMP are probably in your future.

1) Medical School Admissions are not the kind to send the sympathy card and take you under their wing, so first and foremost, does attending medical school in the near future even sound realistic? I was hoping to have my B.S. done and most sciences in the next two years to start applying.

It's OK to disclose as long as your transcript demonstrates that it's no longer an issue.
2) I have read that having ADHD is not beneficial to disclose when it comes to applying for medical school. Given my circumstance, would disclosure of it be beneficial or no?

No, other than retakes.
3) Is there anything that can be done about the original not so favorable bad grades? I will obviously be re-taking the classes, but that can only do so much.

I have had plenty of students with ADHD who did fine.
4) Does anyone have any advice for succeeding in school with ADHD that would help? Any medical students that have overcame it? There are varying severities so I’d prefer not to hear “it’s over diagnosed” or “anyone can succeed with medication.” I hear those more than enough as is.

Volunteering clinically and service to others less fortunate than yourself.
5) What could be done to make myself more marketable, besides rocking the MCAT… I have considered research jobs around my area, however, there are none within a feasible driving distance.

Adcoms have little respect for online coursework.
6) Do medical schools prefer B.S. degrees that do not contain online learning? The degree I am looking at, to be able to work while going to school, is primarily an online program. Very self(and fast) paced.
 
It will be important to have your ADHD documented so that if accepted, and you need accommodations, these can be provided.


Not until you demonstrate that you can handle a med school curriculum. retake all F/D/C science coursework, and do well on MCAT. A post-bac or SMP are probably in your future.

1) Medical School Admissions are not the kind to send the sympathy card and take you under their wing, so first and foremost, does attending medical school in the near future even sound realistic? I was hoping to have my B.S. done and most sciences in the next two years to start applying.

It's OK to disclose as long as your transcript demonstrates that it's no longer an issue.
2) I have read that having ADHD is not beneficial to disclose when it comes to applying for medical school. Given my circumstance, would disclosure of it be beneficial or no?

No, other than retakes.
3) Is there anything that can be done about the original not so favorable bad grades? I will obviously be re-taking the classes, but that can only do so much.

I have had plenty of students with ADHD who did fine.
4) Does anyone have any advice for succeeding in school with ADHD that would help? Any medical students that have overcame it? There are varying severities so I’d prefer not to hear “it’s over diagnosed” or “anyone can succeed with medication.” I hear those more than enough as is.

Volunteering clinically and service to others less fortunate than yourself.
5) What could be done to make myself more marketable, besides rocking the MCAT… I have considered research jobs around my area, however, there are none within a feasible driving distance.

Adcoms have little respect for online coursework.
6) Do medical schools prefer B.S. degrees that do not contain online learning? The degree I am looking at, to be able to work while going to school, is primarily an online program. Very self(and fast) paced.


Awesome! Thank you for the input!
Just to make sure I am understanding correctly, Online coursework would TECHNICALLY count, but would be in no way favorable? If so, time to look into taking classes on site... Of course this is dependent on each individual schools requirements that I am also starting to look into...
 
So here's my experience with ADHD. I was diagnosed in 3rd grade, and took Adderal till senior year of highschool when I made the decision to quit taking it. It has been a constant struggle with concentration but it gets better every year. I just have to take a little longer to study than others. While shadowing a Doctor we had a patient come in with questions about ADD and ADHD and concentration. The doctor explained that there's some studying coming out that it can be overcome with "training" the brain to concentrate. I would say that's my experience. Right now I'm routinely at the top of my class in test scores and grades. I constantly get annoyed with myself about staying focused while studying, which I supplement with allocating more study time to deal with that. I'm still in my undergrad but have no doubt I can succeed in medical school as I will have continued to train my brain to concentrate better. Don't worry man, it's an obstacle not an unbreakable wall.
 
Not all med schools accept online course work in the prereqs.

Awesome! Thank you for the input!
Just to make sure I am understanding correctly, Online coursework would TECHNICALLY count, but would be in no way favorable? If so, time to look into taking classes on site... Of course this is dependent on each individual schools requirements that I am also starting to look into...
 
Not all med schools accept online course work in the prereqs.

One of the reasons why I'm reluctant to take science concurrently with on-campus and online. Quite A few med schools allopathic and osteopathic in the west coast do not allow substitutions with online coursework.
 
Not all med schools accept online course work in the prereqs.
One of the reasons why I'm reluctant to take science concurrently with on-campus and online. Quite A few med schools allopathic and osteopathic in the west coast do not allow substitutions with online coursework.
How would they know? Are you supposed to disclose it? I took Stats online at a community college but the transcript doesn't show it was online.
 
How would they know? Are you supposed to disclose it? I took Stats online at a community college but the transcript doesn't show it was online.

I think it's more so with the science prereqs.
 
Not all med schools accept online course work in the prereqs.

Thanks, the science courses will be done in person, I'm not going to risk it. I wasn't even aware they offered hybrid science courses yet, I was just thinking it would be convenient. Too much to risk though, I'll suck up the drive to benefit future possibilities.
 
Top