Advising URM's

[sewcurious]

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I think you've misunderstood my point. I meant that the AAMC's goal does not automatically equate to unequal opportunity, because that would stigmatize all minority matriculants based on AAMC data.

AAMC data does not show me to be incorrect. Again, we have to look at choice. And compounding factors. For example, class and race. There was a very lengthy thread rationalizing this, so if you are interested, I would encourage you to find it.

I'm not sure what you are saying. I was simply arguing against you statment about hispanics and access to care, which has been shown many times over to be incorrect. That is the reasoning they use (because they have found it to be accurate), that was my one and only point when using that quote.

Class and race in this country are pretty directly tied to SES in this country (I've posted direct evidence earlier). Obviously class is important but I think people overestimate how much would change if class was considered instead of race (a position I understand, but don't necessarily support)

"It is generally recognized that there are large racial differences in SES, and health researchers routinely adjust for SES when examining the race–health association...Race is an antecedent and determinant of SES, and racial differences in SES reflect, in part, the successful implementation of discriminatory policies premised on the inferiority of certain racial groups."

http://www.echt.chm.msu.edu/blockiii...ioeconomic.pdf

 

[yearn4ivy]

The only reason I brought that up was because I think (maybe this is just in california) the problem of racism has expanded beyond just whites, to the point where even other minorities hate other minorities, and in a country where white people are gradually losing the majority that seems to be more of an issue. For example, I'm guessing you've heard about what happened in UCSD over the past several weeks? UCSD, like most UCs, has a very large asian population, and it seemed odd to me that the asian population there would take the side of the anti-minority people.

Well, Lucius, racism is not limited to non-white vs whites, but that seems to be current focus, because of the economic and political dominance of Western Europe and the US. In addition, trans-atlantic slavery created sizeable indigeneous population (and nations) of people of African descent in the Americas, Western Europe...and present day conditions of institutional racism we all have to grapple with.

I read this nytimes article a while back and it discusses the experiences of an Indian university instructor in South Korea within the context of racial discrimination: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/02/world/asia/02race.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

However, the Korean exchange students at my schools are curteous and hang with everyone.
My friend who used to work at a gas station hated his boss, because he would make racially-dreprecating comments against black customers even using the N-word. Whenever said boss would see a African-American pull up in a nice car, he would say something along the lines of must be a drug dealer😱

 

[Van Chowder]

Disclaimer:
I know this is my first post and that may flag me as a troll, but I registered just to ask this question, which is a real concern. Please play nice.

This is a question directed toward people who self-identify as minorities:
Suppose your professor was talking to you about med school admissions, and was explaining how competitive it has gotten, and how, to gain admission in big city X, you should aim for a 35 on the MCAT, to be on the "safe" side.
Suppose the same professor also adds that if you self-identify as a minority, and wish to claim that minority status, then you could possibly be ok with a score that's quite a bit lower.

Is this professor being hostile/discriminatory/offensive?

Again, please play nice....

Sounds like honesty..

 

[yearn4ivy]

Sounds like honesty..

Encouraging students to underperform is honesty? That's just plain crazy.

 

[Danae00]

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[sewcurious]

Really? I would just say the professor was being both honest and helpful.

I can't see how this could be considered hostile / discriminatory / or offensive. Unless of course the professor said it while rolling his/her eyes and with a sarcastic tone to their voice showing obvious disdain for URM status.

But I don't self-identify as a URM so maybe my perspective is skewed. All I know is that I would want to know any and all information regarding ways to increase my chances of getting into a highly competitive program. I may or may not use this knowledge to my advantage, but at least I could make an informed choice and decide for myself.

I think their is a misconception that URMs learn this and then purposely don't try as hard as they can. Sure the info is helpful but anyone who hears it and thinks they don't have work as hard as white and Asian applicants is taking a huge unnecessary risk with their futures.

 

[jvesco22]

There's a lot of racism going on. Who's more racist, black people or white people? It's black people! You know why? Because we hate black people too! Everything white people don't like about black people, black people really don't like about black people...

lol I got an infraction for this post...

For anyone that DOESN'T know, this was a quote from Chris Rock in this Bigger and Blacker stand up comedy...And the gorilla picture...well that's just the new Bert Stare and if you don't know what that is then...I give up lol.

 

[sewcurious]

There's a lot of racism going on. Who's more racist, black people or white people? It's black people! You know why? Because we hate black people too! Everything white people don't like about black people, black people really don't like about black people...

Are you kidding me?!?!

 

[jvesco22]

Are you kidding me?!?!

 

[Sammich117]

A few of the posts in this thread have been reported to the moderator staff -Let's please be civil to one another and stay focused on the OP's topic.

Thanks 🙂