Affermative action regarding residency

[Kaustikos]

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you shouldn't be a doctor.

YES. End of discussion. Thread closed. We reached it! The law is upheld once again!

 

[NontradCA]

YES. End of discussion. Thread closed. We reached it! The law is upheld once again!

First anti-AA, next concentration camps for black doctors.

 

[twospadz]

First anti-AA, next concentration camps for black doctors.

Jesus Christ you guys are really selfish and prestige driven people. Why are you going into the medical field again? These are the type of people who always end up reevaluating the things in life that make them happy and bring them satisfaction.

 

[Mad Jack]

Jesus Christ you guys are really selfish and prestige driven people. Why are you going into the medical field again? These are the type of people who always end up reevaluating the things in life that make them happy and bring them satisfaction.

Dude, you should really have your sarcasm meter checked, I think it's broken. Unless you just pulled the infamous double-Bernett, in which case, well done.

 

[twospadz]

Dude, you should really have your sarcasm meter checked, I think it's broken. Unless you just pulled the infamous double-Bernett, in which case, well done.

You have horrible sarcasm "first anti-AA, next concentration camps for black doctors". Lets see you tell that joke in real life and see how many laughs you get.

 

[Mad Jack]

You have horrible sarcasm "first anti-AA, next concentration camps for black doctors". Lets see you tell that joke in real life and see how many laughs you get.

Maybe it would make more sense if you knew the person who posted that was black lol.

 

[twospadz]

Maybe it would make more sense if you knew the person who posted that was black lol.

I can tell you don't fit in with any black people do you. I've never heard any black person make a statement like that. Oh and by the way Im black too. I guess the reason for my assessment makes more sense now

 

[Mad Jack]

I can tell you don't fit in with any black people do you. I've never heard any black person make a statement like that. Oh and by the way Im black too. I guess the reason for my assessment makes more sense now

No, NontradCA, the guy who said the comment that offended you, is black.

I'm just trying to get you to chill out a bit. AA threads tend to get a little heated amd the last thing we need is people getting all upset over an offhand joke, then pulling an ironic double-Burnett for no good reason. This is an important topic, and shouldn't be dragged down to the level of insults because of a misunderstanding.

 

[NontradCA]

I can tell you don't fit in with any black people do you. I've never heard any black person make a statement like that. Oh and by the way Im black too. I guess the reason for my assessment makes more sense now

WTF?

 

[Tripl3crown]

From the advice I got as a URM (I have a 250+ Step 1, 260+ Step 2 and multiple other unique aspects about my application) I should look at every program's current resident page and see if they have black, hispanic people or women. If not don't even bother applying. Because the fact is URM status might help, hurt or be a complete wash depending on the program. But I love how when there is one black guy who got accepted it has to be affirmative action but you have some programs who look like they have all white residents and that isn't a bit supicious. Not even an asian or an indian. (And btw I know several 260+ African american and Indian applicants who didn't get interviews at middle-tier racially homogeneous places). Residency is about who fits in with the culture of the program and URM status can definitely hurt at some programs.

It is unfortunate that SOME ORMs no longer have a scapegoat on why there dream program didn't want them.

 

[Kaustikos]

First anti-AA, next concentration camps for black doctors.

Jesus Christ you guys are really selfish and prestige driven people. Why are you going into the medical field again? These are the type of people who always end up reevaluating the things in life that make them happy and bring them satisfaction.

Dude, you should really have your sarcasm meter checked, I think it's broken. Unless you just pulled the infamous double-Bernett, in which case, well done.

You have horrible sarcasm "first anti-AA, next concentration camps for black doctors". Lets see you tell that joke in real life and see how many laughs you get.

I'm wiping tears from my eyes. It's like this is only getting better and better.
I'm going to make some popcorn. Anyone want anything? I already have Hatorade for twospadz.

 

[BobbyB]

From the advice I got as a URM (I have a 250+ Step 1, 260+ Step 2 and multiple other unique aspects about my application) I should look at every program's current resident page and see if they have black, hispanic people or women. If not don't even bother applying. Because the fact is URM status might help, hurt or be a complete wash depending on the program. But I love how when there is one black guy who got accepted it has to be affirmative action but you have some programs who look like they have all white residents and that isn't a bit supicious. Not even an asian or an indian. (And btw I know several 260+ African american and Indian applicants who didn't get interviews at middle-tier racially homogeneous places). Residency is about who fits in with the culture of the program and URM status can definitely hurt at some programs.

It is unfortunate that SOME ORMs no longer have a scapegoat on why there dream program didn't want them.

are those hospitals serving a primarily white patient population?

studies have shown that patients trust doctors that are the same race as them.

 

[twospadz]

I'm wiping tears from my eyes. It's like this is only getting better and better.
I'm going to make some popcorn. Anyone want anything? I already have Hatorade for twospadz.

I don't hate on bummy dudes. Stop making bummy comments and living a bummy life and then we can talk.

 

[Tripl3crown]

are those hospitals serving a primarily white patient population?

studies have shown that patients trust doctors that are the same race as them.

Some are...some are in the heart of the city.

 

[Eokpar02]

Would you hire a URM with a 210 step 1 and no honors over an Asian student with a 255 step 1 and AOA because of background/ethnicity when you entrust the lives of others into their own hands?

Do you honestly think any of that matters when you are a doctor? You do realize practicing medicine is drastically different from board exams? You do realize surgery is complete unrelated to board scores?

 

[Eokpar02]

Its interesting how if a white dude says 'i'd feel more comfortable with a white man as my doctor' that's like, the worst thing on earth, but if a black woman wants a black woman doctor, that's cool because she needs to understand her diverse life experiences. even if the black lady doctor went to freakin Villanova

Who cares who a white dude sees for the doctor? Or a black lady? Or a woman? Or a man?

 

[Eokpar02]

1. why is it good for patients to have URM's in SPECIALTIES who have inferior scores in board exams? There's no definitive verdict that I've read about better health outcomes for patients seeing URM family medicine physicians. Why do you believe it gets any better for patients ( we're not talking med school deans or PD's or gov't bean counters) being seen by specialists who are not the best of the best?

2. Please provide statistics about legacy candidates who have poor UG med school stats and get into highly competitive residencies. Crickets....

1. What do board scores have to do with being a good doctor?

2. What do poor UG med school stats have to do with highly competitive residencies?

Medical school and undergrad is completely and unrelated to actually practicing medicine.

 

[Kaustikos]

Who cares who a white dude sees for the doctor? Or a black lady? Or a woman? Or a man?

People do. Lots of them. Ladies will prefer a female doing their pelvic exams on occasion.
I'm not saying its right or a racial thing. But people are like that.
Or where the husband refused to let a guy do a pelvic exam on their significant other.

 

[Eokpar02]

You can also have a ****ty doctor that did well on the boards. How does one assess how good a physician is?


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[Anicetus]

Do you honestly think any of that matters when you are a doctor? You do realize practicing medicine is drastically different from board exams? You do realize surgery is complete unrelated to board scores?

Cool. I'll contact the residency program directors and tell them that board scores don't matter.

 

[KnuxNole]

Would you hire a URM with a 210 step 1 and no honors over an Asian student with a 255 step 1 and AOA because of background/ethnicity when you entrust the lives of others into their own hands?

Sure, makes the resident website look good 😛

It's not like it's unheard of. Same with picking someone who has low board scores but has family in the program, is related to the PD/PC, etc.

 

[KnuxNole]

1. How does a physician with below average cognitive abilities, medical skills speed things up? And yes - shocking as it may be to some ( cover your elitist eyes!) - board exams measure smarts and knowledge.
2. I'm not blind. I'm saying political correctness for career advancement is bad for minority patients who want to be treated by the best of the best specialists. Patients don't give a crap about skin color of their oncologists. Look at PubMed. It's mainly med school careerists and gov't bean counters who do. In fact they twist themselves into pretzels trying to prove - in vain - that better health outcomes for minority patients are proven to be associated with brown, black physician skin color pigmentation.
3. No, URM patients cannot pick whomever they choose. They're often Medicaid patients. They get "appropriate" skin color physicians that politically correct desk jockeys in academia and gov't select for "the URM patients' greater good."
4. I'm not opposed to med school students of any skin pigmentation who earn their acceptance through excellent board scores like MCAT. What I am opposed to is the lie that URM applicants with sub par stats are accepted because of minority patients' greater good. That's nonsense. It's spin for med schools to get gov't grants and for the greater good of careers of desk jockeys in gov't and med school bureaucracy. Let's call a spade a spade.

They can. They can "fire" Dr. Whitey and request to see the nice African American doctor.

 

[Kaustikos]

They can. They can "fire" Dr. Whitey and request to see the nice African American doctor.

I request that my physician be a trained cyborg built by SkyNet with a medical degree from Dagobah and residency from Yoda.

 

[jeffk805dent]

I request that my physician be a trained cyborg built by SkyNet with a medical degree from Dagobah and residency from Yoda.

nurse needs to be C-3PO

"Doctor, the possibility of successfully performing surgery on a patient with a gsw to the head is approximately 3,720 to 1."

"And I am C-3PO, patient-cyborg relations."

 

[AMEHigh]

Its interesting how if a white dude says 'i'd feel more comfortable with a white man as my doctor' that's like, the worst thing on earth, but if a black woman wants a black woman doctor, that's cool because she needs to understand her diverse life experiences. even if the black lady doctor went to freakin Villanova

No, not the same thing at all.

Unfortunately there is a rather long history of black people being used for medical experimentation. The Tuskegee experiment being probably the most well known example, although unfortunately by far not the only example. The Tuskegee experiment didn't happen all that long ago, it's not that far removed from our history.

So it is with understanding that black people have a different experience with going to doctors and slight skepticism. As a healthcare provider I think it's important to understand the historical context in to what drives people's thoughts and actions.