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[Yeehaww]

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Hey everyone.

I'm visiting ohio in a month and I wanted to know what my gpa was before i got there and then had them tell me to go home because i didn't calculate it correctly and I didn't have the minimum 2.8. Did anyone find out how to calculate the gpa for ohio?

Also what other schools have a minimum requirement?

Thanks!!!

 

[Minnerbelle]

Hey everyone.

I'm visiting ohio in a month and I wanted to know what my gpa was before i got there and then had them tell me to go home because i didn't calculate it correctly and I didn't have the minimum 2.8. Did anyone find out how to calculate the gpa for ohio?

Also what other schools have a minimum requirement?

Thanks!!!

For Ohio, I believe you want to calculate your overall GPA, and your science/math GPA. It wouldn't hurt to calculate your last 45 credit GPA either.

If your school had a +/- system, 4.0 = A/A+, 3.67 = A-, and 3.33 = B+, and 3.0 = B- and so forth.

Overall GPA: For each of your courses, multiply the point value (above) for the grade you got with the number of credits that class was worth. Once you've done that for all of your classes, add them all up. Then divide by the total number of credits you've taken. Include all college classes you've taken.

Science GPA: Do the same, but omit all of your non-science/math classes. I believe psychology counts.

Last 45: Count the number of credits you've taken starting with the most recent. Stop once you get to credit # 45. Do the same as above, but include the semester that you stopped on (so you might end up including a bit more than 45 credits).

hope that makes sense

 

[jmo1012]

Auburn:
IS: 2.50 cum
Contract: 2.50 cum
OOS: 3.00 cum

UC Davis
All: 2.50 for all GPAs

Colorado
All: none-but recommend 3.20+

Cornell
All: none

U of F
All: 3.00 science pre-reqs

UGA
All: 3.00 or 1200+ combined GRE

UIUC
All: 2.75 for cum and sci pre-reqs

Iowa
All: 2.50 cumulative

Kansas
All: 2.80 in pre-reqs and last 45 hours

LSU
All: 3.00 pre-reqs

Michigan State
All: none

Minnesota
All: none

Mississippi State
All: 2.80 required sciences and math and cumulative

U Missouri
All 3.00 cumulative

NC State
Residents: 3.0 Cumulative GPA
3.3 Last 45 hour GPA
3.3 Required GPA
Non-residents: 3.4 Cumulative GPA
3.4 Last 45 hour GPA
3.4 Required GPA

The OSU
All: 2.80 science

Oklahoma State
All: 2.80 pre-reqs

Oregon State
All: none

UPenn
All: none

Purdue
Res: 2.75 cumulative
NR: 3.00 cumulative

Texas A and M
All: 2.90 cumulative or 3.10 last 45 hours

UTK
NR: 3.20 cum

Tufts
All: none

Tuskegee
All: none (didn't look too hard though)

VMRCVM
All: 2.80 cum

Washington State
All: none

Western University
All: 2.75 cum, science and pre-reqs

U Wisconson
All: none


http://aavmc.org/College-Specific-R...ific-Requirements_College-Specifications.aspx
killing time before work

 

[Cautionary Tail]

Colorado State doesn't have a technical minimum, but they will make you calculate your cumulative for them... and if it's low enough, they'll subject you to an early review process during which they decide whether or not your application is competitive enough to proceed.

(Full disclosure: I was selected for early review and deemed competitive. My cumulative was pretty bad, but I finished on a strong note.)

For those with ungodly lengthy academic careers encompassing a number of different schools (like me), I recommend creating an excel spreadsheet for cumulative calculating purposes. I may or may not have cajoled my father into doing this for me... and it may or may not have taken him less than fifteen minutes to convert ten years of academia into one (not-so) happy little number. 😉

 

[psilovethomas]

Auburn:
IS: 2.50 cum
Contract: 2.50 cum
OOS: 3.00 cum

UC Davis
All: 2.50 for all GPAs

Colorado
All: none-but recommend 3.20+

Cornell
All: none

U of F
All: 3.00 science pre-reqs

UGA
All: 3.00 or 1200+ combined GRE

UIUC
All: 2.75 for cum and sci pre-reqs

Iowa
All: 2.50 cumulative

Kansas
All: 2.80 in pre-reqs and last 45 hours

LSU
All: 3.00 pre-reqs

Michigan State
All: 2.8

Minnesota
All: none

Mississippi State
All: 2.80 required sciences and math and cumulative

U Missouri
All 3.00 cumulative

NC State
Residents: 3.0 Cumulative GPA
3.3 Last 45 hour GPA
3.3 Required GPA
Non-residents: 3.4 Cumulative GPA
3.4 Last 45 hour GPA
3.4 Required GPA

The OSU
All: 2.80 science

Oklahoma State
All: 2.80 pre-reqs

Oregon State
All: none

UPenn
All: none

Purdue
Res: 2.75 cumulative
NR: 3.00 cumulative

Texas A and M
All: 2.90 cumulative or 3.10 last 45 hours

UTK
NR: 3.20 cum

Tufts
All: none

Tuskegee
All: none (didn't look too hard though)

VMRCVM
All: 2.80 cum

Washington State
All: none

Western University
All: 2.75 cum, science and pre-reqs

U Wisconson
All: none

 

[EllieGirl89]

If your school had a +/- system, 4.0 = A/A+, 3.67 = A-, and 3.33 = B+, and 3.0 = B- and so forth.

Ohio State's +/- system is actually different than this-

A=4.0
A-=3.7
B+=3.3
B=3.0
B-=2.7
C+=2.3
C=2.0
C-=1.7
D+=1.3
D=1.0
E=0.0

 

[Cautionary Tail]

Also, Minnesota doesn't technically have a requirement, but if your prerequisite or last 45 GPAs are below 2.75, you won't receive any points for them. (Same for GRE scores ranking below the 35th percentile.) I would imagine it would be incredibly difficult to compensate for that.

http://www.cvm.umn.edu/education/prospective/evaluation/home.html

 

[Minnerbelle]

Ohio State's +/- system is actually different than this-

A=4.0
A-=3.7
B+=3.3
B=3.0
B-=2.7
C+=2.3
C=2.0
C-=1.7
D+=1.3
D=1.0
E=0.0

Oh good call! Now that I think about it, I remember being really happy that my copious A-'s were actually 3.7 and not 3.67! I may have even posted about how awesome that was at one point.

 

[lareinesoleil]

True there's no cutoff, but they do have Tiers:
Tier I - overall GPA > 3.5 OR science GPA > 3.7 or GRE > 75 percentile

Tier II - overall GPA 3.2-3.5 OR science GPA 3.5-3.7 OR GRE 60-74 percentile

Tier III overall GPA < 3.2 OR science GPA <3.5 OR GRE <59 percentile

Their website explains it like this:

• Tier I applications contain excellent academic records based upon these GPA and/or GRE criteria. At the beginning of the process, we make the basic assumption that, generally speaking, a student with a previous record of academic excellence is more likely to be able to successfully complete our program than one 4 5 with a less excellent record. Therefore, many Tier I applicants tend to be invited to participate in a personal interview.
• Tier II applicants have good academic records based upon their academic indices. In deciding whether a given Tier II application warrants further review, the academic record is thoroughly evaluated to determine if factors, such as academic rigor, work responsibilities, and family commitments, might have contributed to a more modest performance. Fewer Tier II applicants are invited for an interview.
• Tier III applications are those in which the GPA and GRE score do not support a presumption of academic success. While these records are very closely scrutinized for evidence to support an argument for extenuating circumstances, fewer Tier III applicants tend to be invited for an interview.

 

[jmo1012]

thanks for any and all corrections and add-ins. i was pretty muh just going off the sheets submitted to the aavmc or a brief search of the school's website 🙂

 

[Yeehaww]

Thanks guys. This is helpful. It would really suck to not be able to apply to my mom's school so I'm really testing the different ways to calculate the gpa. How do repeat courses come into play? This changes my gpa dramatically. we are talking a 2.0 to a 3.0. lol!

 

[Cautionary Tail]

I have no idea what OSU's policy is, but I know that at Minnesota, if the course is retaken within three years of the initial attempt, they average the grades. If there are more than three years between the attempts, they disregard the initial attempt and just count the retake.

 

[Psorophoraferox]

True there's no cutoff, but they do have Tiers:
Tier I - overall GPA > 3.5 OR science GPA > 3.7 or GRE > 75 percentile

Tier II - overall GPA 3.2-3.5 OR science GPA 3.5-3.7 OR GRE 60-74 percentile

Tier III overall GPA < 3.2 OR science GPA <3.5 OR GRE <59 percentile

All those "or"s are confusing me. What if you don't fall cleanly into one group? For example, you have an overall GPA of >3.5 (Tier I), but your science GPA is <3.5 (Tier III), and your GRE was 60-74 percentile (Tier II)? Do they take the highest tier and ignore the others?

 

[PetPony]

Doesn't tier mean concern the schools? Like, how high they're ranked? I thought it doesn't actually have anything to do with the student, it's about the school she goes to..

 

[twelvetigers]

I'm this case, it's just what Wash calls their 'sorting' system. Minn cals them something else, but it's really similar. Stages? I can't remember.

 

[that redhead]

Thanks guys. This is helpful. It would really suck to not be able to apply to my mom's school so I'm really testing the different ways to calculate the gpa. How do repeat courses come into play? This changes my gpa dramatically. we are talking a 2.0 to a 3.0. lol!

Does your school transcript not list a cumulative GPA? I know at my UG, you can view an "unofficial" transcript digitally and at the bottom it lists cGPA, credits, etc. You could also request a transcript from your school sent to yourself and see what it says (and what Ohio would see).

 

[vettobe2014]

I am a successful applicant, into 5 different schools. I got in due to my experience. My GPA and GRE's were good, but not exceptional. Stop focusing on all the superficial stuff and focus more on interest and experience. I've been volunteering since I turned into a teenager.

 

[LetItSnow]

I am a successful applicant, into 5 different schools. I got in due to my experience. My GPA and GRE's were good, but not exceptional. Stop focusing on all the superficial stuff and focus more on interest and experience. I've been volunteering since I turned into a teenager.

At my school, "experience" and "academic" are equally weighted. And, there are schools that give even more weight to academics. I think "superficial" is a poor choice of words to describe the GPA/GRE!

 

[vettobe2014]

Vet school ranks mean nothing. It's not like law school. If a school is ranked number one, it doesn't mean you will get a job more easily out of vet school or get treated better there. The people who rank are people who don't know the students perspective. Like Glasgow, for instance, their ranking went to number 1 after they started failing a whole bunch of americans who were within points from passing. So never trust a rank. I believe that school's rank only went up because they failed students when they didn't used to fail students unless they did miserably in all their courses. Take it from someone who has gone there and been there, done that. So many americans have been hurt, and just about every american has to repeat at least one year, whether it's their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th. The 5 year program turns into a 6 year program for most people. All the UK schools work this way. They only test you at the end of the 9 months so people tend to slack off.

Also, the professors, most of them, don't care if you succeed. They want you to repeat an extra year because they get another 22,000 pounds from you. They always tell students "not everyone is meant for the program." All vet schools say stuff like this. It's not personal, they are animal people and don't know how to be sensitive to people in general. Just be careful where you decide to go. I got accepted into several vet schools and I chose mine based on the attrition rate of students they failed and student support, something that wasn't received in the UK schools. No help at all if you were struggling.

 

[vettobe2014]

Take it from someone who has gotten multiple acceptances, certain ones didn't accept me due to the superficial stuff as it wasn't as high as others. One school, in the UK, accepted my friend who had 0 experience and had a slightly higher GPA than me, that's it. They ended up being jerks though because they told her she could defer it a year, so she paid her deposit, and then they took it back, so now she's out over $3K based on a lie. My GPA was about 3.66 and GRE was 1140 plus 5.5 out of 6 on analytical. This school bluntly told me they didn't accept me because of my GPA. Colorado tends to look at the more superficial things as well. And do many vet schools. But in the end, who is going to make the best and most caring vet? Someone who is highly interested in the field, right? Everywhere I've been accepted accepted me for my over 11,000 hours of experience because they knew I'd stick with the program because I care and they know I just might be one of the better vets out there someday flying overseas to do volunteer work and more.

 

[vettobe2014]

There are very low, as low as 2.5? and no higher than 3.2? So yes, there is no cut off I guess, but in reality, they don't accept people with a GPA usually below 3.0. And if your GPA is 3.0, they expect you to have very high GRE's and experience to make up for it.

 

[moosenanny]

Also, the professors, most of them, don't care if you succeed. They want you to repeat an extra year because they get another 22,000 pounds from you. They always tell students "not everyone is meant for the program." All vet schools say stuff like this. It's not personal, they are animal people and don't know how to be sensitive to people in general.

I am SHOCKED that someone would actually think/say/write this!!! Maybe at your school, but please do not generalize to ALL schools! This could not be farther from the truth where I go. The professors and administration want us all to succeed, and they go out of their way to make us feel welcome and part of the veterinary profession from day one. Heck, some of our professors reguarly refer to us as their "colleauges" and "Doctors of 2014."

 

[LetItSnow]

I am SHOCKED that someone would actually think/say/write this!!! Maybe at your school, but please do not generalize to ALL schools! This could not be farther from the truth where I go. The professors and administration want us all to succeed, and they go out of their way to make us feel welcome and part of the veterinary profession from day one. Heck, some of our professors reguarly refer to us as their "colleauges" and "Doctors of 2014."

For most schools with a limited number of seats, it obviously doesn't make sense to suggest that they intentionally hold people back just for money (like vettobe did).

1) There's not much shortage of vet school applicants. They've got the next sucker willing to part with money banging down the door.

2) Holding someone back gets one more year's tuition out of them, but it leaves an empty seat in that year's class going forward that isn't paying tuition that otherwise would be. So really, making someone repeat in their first year or two of vet school is probably a net loss for the school, not gain like vettobe insinuated.

3) It doesn't really pass the sniff test to suggest that teachers don't want people to pass. If I'm a teacher who hates students and hates teaching (and for some reason I'm unwilling to get a job not teaching???) the last thing I do is hold back the worst students so I have to deal with them all over again next year. Obviously there are jerk teachers just like there are jerks in any profession, but as a generalization? Doesn't fly.

 

[squirrelsrule]

It sounds like someone is bitter about not being accepted and then when they were sounds like they failed out

. I am sure that it is true that you are expected to be more independent and responsible in vet school, that is to be expected. If there are exams just every 9 weeks, then you would be responsible to make sure you are keeping up on the material, obviously you can't slack off and if you do you'll fail. There has to be a cutoff for failure, if you are just a few points away from passing, you are still failing!

 

[Minnerbelle]

So many americans have been hurt, and just about every american has to repeat at least one year, whether it's their 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th. The 5 year program turns into a 6 year program for most people. All the UK schools work this way. They only test you at the end of the 9 months so people tend to slack off.

you make americans sound like they're the laziest pieces of crap in the world.

So many americans have been butt hurt because unlike their colleagues overseas, they lack the discipline to not slack off if they're not given assignments/evaluations every couple of weeks. oh boo hoo.

damn, how did i miss all these little gems?

 

[twelvetigers]

Take it from someone who has gotten multiple acceptances, certain ones didn't accept me due to the superficial stuff as it wasn't as high as others. One school, in the UK, accepted my friend who had 0 experience and had a slightly higher GPA than me, that's it. They ended up being jerks though because they told her she could defer it a year, so she paid her deposit, and then they took it back, so now she's out over $3K based on a lie. My GPA was about 3.66 and GRE was 1140 plus 5.5 out of 6 on analytical. This school bluntly told me they didn't accept me because of my GPA. Colorado tends to look at the more superficial things as well. And do many vet schools. But in the end, who is going to make the best and most caring vet? Someone who is highly interested in the field, right? Everywhere I've been accepted accepted me for my over 11,000 hours of experience because they knew I'd stick with the program because I care and they know I just might be one of the better vets out there someday flying overseas to do volunteer work and more.

If all you plan on doing is making idiotic posts about UK schools, you might as well march your grumpy, bitter ass right on out of here. None of us want to hear your BS.

 

[HelloNello]

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[sunshinevet]

The people who rank are people who don't know the students perspective. Like Glasgow, for instance, their ranking went to number 1 after they started failing a whole bunch of americans who were within points from passing. So never trust a rank.

Pretty sure Glasgow went to number 1 because they have been CONSISTANTLY in the top 5/10 vet schools in the world for YEARS. And having a high rate of attrition among your class is actually going to DROP your rank, not raise it - how on earth would failing students make your rank go up?!?!?!


Yes, there are differences among schools as to student support, but ultimately, the onus on getting through vet school should be up to YOU. The reason many vet schools have such high GPA/mark requirements is because it is an EXTREMELY academically demanding course. Being caring and compassionate and experienced is great, and will help you make a great vet. But it wont help you deal with the courseload - hence the academic requirements.
Take this from someone who got 3 acceptances - 2 to schools that focus primarily on experience. (Yeah, they were both in Australia, but vet school is vet school).

Also, talking smack about other schools shows that you have really poor professionalism skills. If you work on this, it might help you become a better vet...

 

[StartingoverVet]

If all you plan on doing is making idiotic posts about UK schools, you might as well march your grumpy, bitter ass right on out of here. None of us want to hear your BS.

I disagree with you there TT.

I know vettobbe certainly has some flawed logic, and some biased facts, and seems a bit trollish.....

But, I don't think we should all be pollyannas. If this person has had some lousy experience that has made them bitter then it is worthwhile to hear about (even if unintentionally bitter). I know of a small number of people here and elsewhere that are also bitter about their experiences, but people seem reluctant to talk about those bad experiences.

I find most people selectively post wonderful things about their schools and forget to mention the negatives (not always... but frequently).

No question it could be done with a bit more class, still I think the thoughts are worth hearing.... and discussing.

 

[Graduatedly]

I took several non-science courses when I studied abroad and took over the summer which were not calculated into my GPA (they were technically Pass/Fail). Are we required to calculate that into our GPA for vet schools?

Thanks!

 

[LetItSnow]

No question it could be done with a bit more class, still I think the thoughts are worth hearing.... and discussing.

I agree with the sentiment - I read peoples' negative comments as seriously as the positive - but in this case I can't give it much credibility because of the outlandish claims that have accompanied the posts. Most schools try for a 50/50 male/female ratio? Academics on your application is superficial and you shouldn't worry about it?

With statements like those, why would I put any stock in his or her supposed experiences? Especially when another student from the same school jumps up and says: Hey, wait a sec! None of what you're saying is true!

I don't think we all (you all, really, since I haven't started) should be pollyannas either, but this poster's comments don't really pass the sniff test.

 

[Minnerbelle]

I find most people selectively post wonderful things about their schools and forget to mention the negatives (not always... but frequently).

No question it could be done with a bit more class, still I think the thoughts are worth hearing.... and discussing.

eh, I agree with you there SOV, but what I've seen consistently on SDN is that very few people want to hear the negatives. Um, loans freaking suck and the high tuition is killing me... vet students are like worse than high schoolers in their entitled and petty behavior... I would NEVER trust some of my classmates with the care of my personal animals, ever... classes are boring and I feel like I'm wasting $64k for first-year material that is >50% a repeat of undergrad material... long distance sucks and no matter what starry-eyed pre-vets say, I refuse to believe that "if it's meant to be, it'll last" because I think that's like the biggest bull ever? The thing is, when you find certain negative things about vet school that's not universal, it tends to offend those to whom it doesn't apply. And for some reason, it offends a lot of pre-vets who have no idea what it is to actually go through it.

The negatives of vet school can get pretty ugly if you let it, and can easily consume your life and make you pretty miserable. To outsiders, a lot of it sounds really stupid and petty and immature since they don't understand how much the little stuff can get to you (on top of the big stuff) when you're in this intense environment day in and day out. That's why I tend to keep the negatives within my circle of friends in vet school because they understand and feel it too. If I'm feeling down about something, I don't need to be criticized or chastised about feeling the way I do. For a while, I took the opinion that I thought it was important to let those not yet committed to vet school know about these things, but after all of the overwhelmingly defensive responses on some of these threads, I realized it was not worth it. Not worth my effort, and really who am I to decide what pre-vet students should hear?

Plus, a lot of my rants are about certain individuals in the class and their pathetic antics (that many times affect the entire class). Those are not things I am willing to divulge on a public forum because esp in such a small profession, anonymity is not very hard to break at all. I don't think it's fair for me to point out individuals on here to gossip about a colleague who's not here to defend him/herself.

 

[twelvetigers]

A normal, credible poster that has had a bad experience is absolutely encouraged (by me at least) to discuss it here.

Someone who joins the forum for the sole purpose of saying bad things about not one, but several schools without anything credible to back it up other than a chip on their shoulder... no. Plus, reading their other posts... they don't seem to have much nice to say about anything at all.

Minner, SOV... you guys can complain as much as you want. But if you create a new account and come in here acting like a total ass, don't expect any love from me.

 

[Prospectivevet]

In general, GPA is extremely important. But if you have what they want otherwise, you might still get in.

I know somebody who got into vet school with a 2.8. They may not have had a high GPA but they had everything else that the vet school looked for...Determination can get you a long way.

 

[nyanko]

For a while, I took the opinion that I thought it was important to let those not yet committed to vet school know about these things, but after all of the overwhelmingly defensive responses on some of these threads, I realized it was not worth it. Not worth my effort, and really who am I to decide what pre-vet students should hear?

This is how I have felt about this issue all along. None of us really know what may or may not affect another person negatively about school or vet med in general and tend to come with our own perspectives and biases. So when we present some perceived problem or issue it is through our own biased lenses.

For example what bothers me about certain professors or courses or lectures or class discussions is no doubt fine to a lot of others, but of course if I present it it's going to sound awful. Not to say I'm trying to be deceptive or misleading, but to me, my perception is my reality, and it's going to be a subconscious bias. My description will be colored by a certain language and inflection that unintentionally aims to persuade. Human nature, I guess?

 

[bunnity]

Right with you Minnerbelle... when I posted about my first 2 weeks of vet school I got a lot of support but also a lot of starry eyed unicorn children telling me that if I was meant to be a vet that I would love every minute of vet school.

I do think vettobe's logic is questionable but I agree with a lot of the sentiment: in my experience vet school is pretty miserable and many professors do not care. I have a friend that failed first year and a friend that nearly failed first semester and they got the cold shoulder from many professors that they reached out to for help. I don't like vet school and I don't see why I should pretend I do. I do think I am getting a good education and I love the hospital (from ten million trips there with my own animals) and I have high hopes that clinics will be better.

 

[Reader19]

So, I just want to make sure I'm understanding overall GPAs correctly. I took dual enrollment classes in high school, and the grades for those have no bearing on my undergrad degree. But for applications, I have to calculate my GPA including the grades I got in those classes?

 

[hedgiehog]

So, I just want to make sure I'm understanding overall GPAs correctly. I took dual enrollment classes in high school, and the grades for those have no bearing on my undergrad degree. But for applications, I have to calculate my GPA including the grades I got in those classes?

I haven't had to calculate my GPA for my application but when Iowa State calculated my cumulative GPA they definitely included my dual enrollment credits which gave me a bit of a boost.

 

[twelvetigers]

Anything taken at a college/university ever for any reason gets counted.

 

[krrobin]

So, how do you know what range your GRE scores are in? Is it just an average of the three sections or do they look at each one separately?

 

[twelvetigers]

That depends entirely on what school you're talking about...

 

[krrobin]

Well, I guess that would make sense. I'm only applying to UGA this year (its my top choice, a contract school and I'm applying early), and they just post the last few years average GRE scores, but don't break it down into verbal and quantitative or give a minimum.

 

[hollyberry343]

In general, GPA is extremely important. But if you have what they want otherwise, you might still get in.

I know somebody who got into vet school with a 2.8. They may not have had a high GPA but they had everything else that the vet school looked for...Determination can get you a long way.

This makes me feel hopeful.... wonder how many times they had to apply?

 

[twelvetigers]

I had like a 2.9. It took me three times.