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ALL DOCTORS NEED TO READ THIS

HIV does not cause AIDS.

You are skeptical?so am I. But according to the website aliveandwell.org, we may need to rethink the HIV =AIDS paradigm. This website is simply fascinating.

I have yet to do the follow-up research, but her information is well-referenced, simple, and easy to understand. The most salient points (much of this is verbatim from her book):

1. HIV is a retrovirus. Few, if any, retroviruses are shown to cause disease in humans, in fact, the healthy human body normally has hundreds in its system. Retroviruses are not cytotoxic. So how does HIV kill T-cells?
2. AIDS is not a new illness, it is a category of old illnesses, all with their own specific, scientific causes that do not require the virus HIV. The way AIDS is defined, however, makes it seem there is a one-to-one correlation between HIV and AIDS:
Pneumonia + negative HIV test = pneumonia
Pneumonia + positive HIV test = AIDS
3. Most healthy people have had infections with cell-killing viruses like those that cause herpes and mononucleosis. These viruses infect millions of T cells-- up to half of all immune cells?without causing T cell depletion and without causing AIDS.
4. The AIDS test is not specific and there are many factors causing a false positive, including pregnancy, the flu, flu vaccination, herpes, and about 60 others.
5. HIV virus has not been isolated from fresh plasma.
6. In order for the ELISA to work in testing for HIV (which only tests for antibodies that react with HIV, not virus), the blood has to be diluted 400 times. Otherwise, everyone tests positive.
7. There are demonstrated ways of sufficiently impairing one?s immune system that can invite AIDS defining illnesses and that do not rely on the HIV virus, like malnutrition and lack of sleep (think Africa), drugs including AZT, crack, cocaine, heroin, and nitrites, exposure to chronic infections with venereal disease and others like TB, malaria, hepatitis, chronic anxiety, panic, stress, and depression. A profound fear of AIDS is enough to cause people who repeatedly test HIV negative to develop physical symptoms of AIDS.


There is no denial that AIDS-defining illnesses are deadly. However, why HIV? Why do we need this virus, when there are known causes for these diseases?


The biology is compelling. The background of the story is even more so. This is an excerpt from Maggiore?s book, which you can read entirely on the website at aliveandwell.org
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On April 23, 1984, Gallo called an international press conference in conjunction with the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). He used this forum to announce his discovery of a new retrovirus described as "the probable cause of AIDS." Although Gallo presented no evidence to support his tentative assumption, the HHS immediately characterized it as "another miracle of American medicine...the triumph of science over a dreaded disease." (16)
Later that same day, Gallo filed a patent for the antibody test now known as the "AIDS test." By the following day, The New York Times had turned Gallo's proposal into a certainty with front page news of "the virus that causes AIDS," and all funding for research into other possible causes of AIDS came to an abrupt halt. (17)
By announcing his hypothesis to the media without providing substantiating data, Gallo violated a fundamental rule of the scientific process. Researchers must first publish evidence for a hypothesis in a medical or scientific journal, and document the research or experiments that were used to construct it. Experts then examine and debate the hypothesis, and attempt to duplicate the original experiments to confirm or refute the original findings. Any new hypothesis must stand up to the scrutiny of peer review and must be verified by successful experiments before it can be considered a reasonable theory.
In the case of HIV, Gallo announced an unconfirmed hypothesis to the media who reported his idea as if it were an established fact, inciting government officials to launch new public health policies based on the unsubstantiated notion of an AIDS virus. Some attribute these violations of the scientific process to the atmosphere of terror and desperation that surrounded the notion of an infectious epidemic.
The data Gallo used to construct his HIV/AIDS hypothesis were published several days after his announcement. Rather than supporting his hypothesis, this paper revealed that Gallo was unable to find HIV (actual virus) in more than half of the AIDS patients in his study. (18) While he was able to detect antibodies in most, antibodies alone are not an indication of current infection and are actually an indication of immunity from infection.
His paper also failed to provide a credible explanation as to how a retrovirus could cause AIDS. Gallo suggested that HIV worked by destroying immune cells, but 70 years of medical research had shown that retroviruses are unable to kill cells, and he offered no proof that HIV differed from other harmless retroviruses. In fact, all evidence to date conclusively demonstrates that HIV -- like all retroviruses -- is not cytotoxic.
16. Altman L New York Times, April 23 1984
17. Altman L Researchers Believe AIDS Virus is Found New York Times, April 24 1984 (Dr. James Curran, head of the CDC's AIDS investigating team, calls discovery "the virus that causes AIDS")
18. Gallo found HIV in only 26 of 63 AIDS patients (41%) Source: Gallo R May 4 1984 Science Volume 224 p502
 
can you offer a response to the argument?
 
That is not very helpful, nor have you convinced me you have any good points to refute this.
 
utter nonsense - read up on molecular biology and then immunology to find out the answers
 
Most of the articles you have cited are about 20 years old. I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming since then. A little bit of skepticism is healthy though.

The overwhelming statistical evidence comes from success in preventing transmission of the virus from mother to baby. This is one of the few areas in which we have had success. 🙂

It is scary when conspiracy theories pursuade people to do take no action against the pandemic such as in South Africa.
 
Sigh. Agenda, much? Exactly how many places were you planning to post this message?
 
skypilot said:
Most of the articles you have cited are about 20 years old. I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming since then. A little bit of skepticism is healthy though.

The overwhelming statistical evidence comes from success in preventing transmission of the virus from mother to baby. This is one of the few areas in which we have had success. 🙂

It is scary when conspiracy theories pursuade people to do take no action against the pandemic such as in South Africa.

I know they are old, but what are the new ones to refute them?

And the transmission statistics-- that is interesting, but doesn't quite hit the central issue, which is whether HIV causes AIDS at all. Even if we can prevent transmission, if it doesn't cause AIDS, isn't that a moot point?

And Africa- there is tons of good and thought provoking info here:

http://www.aliveandwell.org/index.php?page=ExPresident

Immune systems are depressed from malnutrition-- isn't this a probably explanation for AIDS diseases?
 
and I apologize for the multiple postings. i didn't know the etiquette 🙂
 
Some skepticism is indicative of an intelligent mind. All science is fallible and based on empiricism.

That being said the OP's post is very one-sided. LAV (lymphandeopathy associated virus) is a highly empirically supported cause of AIDS which in 1987 was declared to be one and the same as HTLVIII (which is what Gallo called it) and renamed HIV.

The French discovered LAV prior to Gallo, found the association between it and AIDS, and published their work in Science (I believe) in 1983, although they claimed it _might_ be the cause, not that it _was_ the cause. Gallo was a jerk by claiming the french results as his own, and by calling the media in. But that doesn't make the strong association between HIV and Aids disappear. Many T-Cells are killed in AIDS by side responses of the immune system due to the lysogenic infection by HIV. In lysogenic/productive infection the cells release virus through exocytosis and have it in their genome, but don't apoptotically die. Hepaitits B does this too, and because it inserts itself near oncogenes, it promotes hepatocellular carcinoma. In mono and herpes, these viruses can disable some MHCII genes and so are rendered less sensitive to the immune system, harboring latent infections for life.

Mono in fact also infects the immune system (B-cells mainly and maybe explaining its horrible symptoms), but because T-cells recognize that some of the B cells are not functioning properly (through partial MHCII class recognition) it can cause them to die via cell-cell signaling, and stops viral replication through production of cytokines (including alpha and gamma interferon).

Mono can cause cancers (like Hodgkins lymphoma) due to overproliferation of the cells it infects for life, and thus systemic disease much in the same way HIV does, although apparently cancer is less likely than AIDS post HIV.
 
Without going too deep into the science on both sides of the debate, I am kind of with the 'alternative views' of HIV when they talk about AIDS in Africa. Whether or not HIV is the determining cause of full blown AIDS, what kills people in Africa is the diseases that are accelerated by malnutrition which is caused by poverty that comes due to wars which are as a result of economic/political turmoil resulting from to XYZ....

What I'm trying to say is that instead of spending billions of dollars trying to provide Africans with exactly the same drugs that Americans would take, spending the billions to battle the main diseases (TB, malaria), famine, war, corrupt regimes etc. The reason Africans with HIV/AIDS die quicker has more to do with how they're living than what drugs they're on. Probably thats why some say that when an African with AIDS died, its not the HIV that got them, but rather the poverty.

My 2 cents right there.
 
Come down to where I'm working and tell my patients that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. The proof is in the patients.


TonyMontana
 
oh my, why did i even respond 😕 😱 👎
 
1. HIV is a retrovirus. Few, if any, retroviruses are shown to cause disease in humans, in fact, the healthy human body normally has hundreds in its system. Retroviruses are not cytotoxic. So how does HIV kill T-cells?

It is true HIV is a retrovirus, but the remainder of your extrapolations are faulty logic. There are only a few KNOWN retroviruses in humans, HTLV 1 and 2, both of which cause leukemias and lymphomas. The mechanism of cytotoxicity is known, and it has been shown in lab tests that specific molecules of the HIV virus bind to specific molecules on the surface of T cells.


2. AIDS is not a new illness, it is a category of old illnesses, all with their own specific, scientific causes that do not require the virus HIV. The way AIDS is defined, however, makes it seem there is a one-to-one correlation between HIV and AIDS:
Pneumonia + negative HIV test = pneumonia
Pneumonia + positive HIV test = AIDS

You are partially correct. What you are describing are immunodeficiency diseases, which have been around a long time. What you fail to mention is the mechanism by which the immunodeficiency is caused. As opposed to a genetic immunodeficiency, AIDS is caused by a virus killing T cells resulting in ID. Furthermore, the TYPE of pneumonia caused by HIV is particularly important. Pneumocystis carinii doesnt cause penumonia in non-immunocompromised patients, but it DOES in immunocompromised patients such as those with AIDS or another ID disease.

3. Most healthy people have had infections with cell-killing viruses like those that cause herpes and mononucleosis. These viruses infect millions of T cells-- up to half of all immune cells?without causing T cell depletion and without causing AIDS.

Herpes and mono are different classes of viruses that replicate using a different mechanism that doesnt generally involve T cell depletion.

4. The AIDS test is not specific and there are many factors causing a false positive, including pregnancy, the flu, flu vaccination, herpes, and about 60 others.

This is a problem with the test, not with the theory behind it. Sometimes your fire alarm will go off randomly, but that doesnt mean that the fires wont cause damage and death if they were allowed to spread.

5. HIV virus has not been isolated from fresh plasma.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=1708933

6. In order for the ELISA to work in testing for HIV (which only tests for antibodies that react with HIV, not virus), the blood has to be diluted 400 times. Otherwise, everyone tests positive.

Yet again, this is a problem with the ELISA. In labs however, they have done ELISA and Western Blots, which combined have shown the presence of HIV. The dilution helps to mitigate the cross reactivity.

7. There are demonstrated ways of sufficiently impairing one?s immune system that can invite AIDS defining illnesses and that do not rely on the HIV virus, like malnutrition and lack of sleep (think Africa), drugs including AZT, crack, cocaine, heroin, and nitrites, exposure to chronic infections with venereal disease and others like TB, malaria, hepatitis, chronic anxiety, panic, stress, and depression. A profound fear of AIDS is enough to cause people who repeatedly test HIV negative to develop physical symptoms of AIDS.

Yes, the things you speak of are immunodeficiency diseases, as is AIDS. But as a I said above its the MECHANISM by which the immunodeficiency is generated that makes HIV unique among those factors you listed. And yes you mention the placebo effect and intern's syndrome, but you can cause that for ANY disease.
 
shellabella said:
And Africa- there is tons of good and thought provoking info here:

http://www.aliveandwell.org/index.php?page=ExPresident

QUOTE]

I looked at this website and frankly the misinfomation and flat out lies are scary. But what I find scarier is that some people actually believe what is written there. The fact that it is in print and an official looking society makes it seem legitimate. There are a lot of health care internet sites out there that spread misinformation like this.
 
Hey, if you guys would just pretend that you agree with this article, we can eliminate the *****s in this world who believe this stuff. Just sit around and let their determined ignorance off themselves. It's cool!
 
Omg, I cant believe you guys are even replying to this!! (wait, i am too).

OP, let me guess, HIV was also propogated through vaccinations right? And we're using Polio vaccines in Africa to give AIDS to muslims and render them impotent.

Besides, AIDS is a SYNDROME, not a disease. Anything can cause a syndrome. Most of the maladies associated with AIDS are caused by other things too. However, there are plenty of AIDS defining conditions such as Kaposi's sarcoma virus that is almost 100% assocaited with HIV infection.
 
Mike.. Kaposi's Sarcoma is not a virus.. Kaposi's sarcoma virus Just so you know. This is the single dumbest post I might have ever read. Is it seriously possible that the person who seriously posted this is in medical school? If so you should go and test out your theory... This is insane...
 
Friday said:
Without going too deep into the science on both sides of the debate, I am kind of with the 'alternative views' of HIV when they talk about AIDS in Africa. Whether or not HIV is the determining cause of full blown AIDS, what kills people in Africa is the diseases that are accelerated by malnutrition which is caused by poverty that comes due to wars which are as a result of economic/political turmoil resulting from to XYZ....

What I'm trying to say is that instead of spending billions of dollars trying to provide Africans with exactly the same drugs that Americans would take, spending the billions to battle the main diseases (TB, malaria), famine, war, corrupt regimes etc. The reason Africans with HIV/AIDS die quicker has more to do with how they're living than what drugs they're on. Probably thats why some say that when an African with AIDS died, its not the HIV that got them, but rather the poverty.

My 2 cents right there.

CMV, HSV, Candida, MAC, Cryptococcus neoformans, Toxoplasma gondii, pneumocystis carinii etc. have little to do with the environmental conditions of the patient but are responsible for significant morbidity and mortality of the AIDS patients.
 
He might have been referring to the fact that Kaposi's Sarcoma is linked with HHV-8 infection....?
 
Savasana said:
He might have been referring to the fact that Kaposi's Sarcoma is linked with HHV-8 infection....?

that is exactly what I meant.
 
exmike said:
that is exactly what I meant.

And the link between HHV-8 and KS is not even that tenuous anymore. Its pretty much accepted as fact.
 
phllystyl said:
And the link between HHV-8 and KS is not even that tenuous anymore. Its pretty much accepted as fact.

I was referring to the OP in regards to HIV specific infections. I shouldve been more complete in my response.

My point was that Kaposi's Sarcoma due to HHV-8 infection is a AIDS defining event (correct me if Im wrong). The OP was saying that most "AIDS" infections exist outside of HIV infection. I was merely pointing out an instance where the disease is necessarily tied to HIV infection.
 
Please, PLEASE, don't become a doctor.
 
I wandered aimlessly through the website and if her theories are good enough for the Foo Fighters then they are good enough for me.........

Hmmmm, no where in that website does it state her qualifications to lecture on HIV and AIDs.
Certainly health and wellness associated with proper diet and exercise will maintain a patient but in no way do they halt the progression.

AIDS is defined clinically based on the development of an infection or neoplasm not normally found in an immunocompetent host (i.e. PCP, crypto, CMV, Toxo, KS, pml or other lymphomas), or by specific cell counts. The HIV virus has been directly linked to the development of AIDs, secondary to a depletion of immune cells. The exact mechanism behind the depletion of the immune cells may not be fully elucidated but this is true for many diseases, but we have enough data to support the statement and no data to dispute it.

Be very carefully what you read on websites.
I was quite disturbed by what I read.

Of course, there will always be a subset of patients who do not follow the natural progression of a disease.
This is the case even in patient's found to be HIV +. These patients are few and far between. The natural progression of the disease was documented throughly in the early 80's, prior to the development of antiretrovirals.

pneumonia + HIV doesn't necessarily = aids (it equals an HIV + patient with a pneumonia, however it may be an uncommon organism causing the pneumonia). As I said before, the type of infection or level of Cd4 count are used to determine the onset of AIDs (known as an AIDs defining illness).
I have seen too many patients die of AIDs (who were HIV+) to believe a single word the website says.
 
for my micro class, an HIV specialist brought in a patient who, among other things, didn't believe HIV was THE cause of AIDS (he believed it contributed, but was not the cause). It was interesting to see how the doc and patient wokred together.
 
vaccinations cause autism!
Herbs cure cancer!
GW Bush will be re-elected!!
wait a minute.....
 
Friday said:
what kills people in Africa is the diseases that are accelerated by malnutrition which is caused by poverty that comes due to wars which are as a result of economic/political turmoil resulting from to XYZ....


👍 While I feel that the world needs to take on the burden of the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa (as well as our own countries), we shouldn't put the cart before the horse here. There are much more basic interventions that could have a greater public health effect, like improving sanitation, water availability/quality, and so forth. Remember that these measures probably caused as great a reduction in mortality in the United States than all antibiotics to date. But the AIDS crisis is the only thing that we also face here, and can thus relate to, so it gets the most coverage.

To wit (not to hijack this thread), I saw a news segment on Oprah last night and how she has been giving her time and resources to the AIDS crisis in Africa. She was visiting an HIV+ woman in the hospital (who had contracted it from a transfusion) when she asked her whether she was getting any medicine for the HIV. The woman said no, and Oprah asked the hospital workers, who said they had no HIV drugs available. Oprah then asked what she was being treated for, and they said "diarrhea," to which Oprah responded by incredulously repeating, "diarrhea?!" and breaking down in tears.

Now, it is devastating that so many people there have no access to drugs. But the health student in me couldn't help thinking that they were incorrectly portraying treatment for "diarrhea" as an absurd and incredible situation when in fact diarrhea-related diseases kill many times more people in the developing world than AIDS, and much more quickly. I think Oprah was reacting from a Western standpoint when she heard "diarrhea" and thought it couldn't possibly be anything more than a 24-hour, uncomfortable inconvenience when in fact it can be a life-threatening emergency if you don't have clean water and food to replace the lost fluids and electrolytes.
 
right, but this doesnt change the fact that many tribes have deep cultural beliefs that allow the men to be promiscuous. and the village idiots act as the "cleanser" to widows to make them marraige material again. you cant "cleanse" someone wearing a condom. they just dont believe in wearing them, so you can hand them out all you want and they will collect dust in the corner. it's like trying to tell an italian person they cant eat pasta anymore. (im italian, and therefore allowed to say that). tradition is hard to change.
 
It is a bit overwhelming to respond to all the posts, but I will eventually. Anyway, the book by Christine Maggiore lays out the points more eloquently than I have. I encourage everyone to read it-- you can read the whole thing, What If Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong?, on the www.aliveandwell.org website. Even if you choose not to agree with her, someday you might have a patient who does. I think if you give the book a chance you might be surprised-- she has really done her homework. While I don't yet espouse her views, because I haven't extensively researched it, it's good food for thought.
 
shellabella

One point I want to bring to your attention is the fact you are getting your information from only one source. Regardless, of the fact that everything on that website is flat out wrong, the fact alone that you only have one source that goes against everything else that is common knowledge is disturbing (not to mention the volumes of scientific and techinical sources). A lot of what is on that website was written by taking select pieces of infomation about HIV and AIDS out of context and out of date and twisting them around to try to support an argument, rather than taking informtion and coming to a conclusion about it.
I would never read the book that you listed because I would find reading it so disturbing. The fact of the matter is that anyone who reads and believes it and happens to be sexually active may not practice safe sex and risk infecting themselves, and thereby risk their life. As a doctor, I have put so much of myself into caring for people that I would never spend any money on something that spread false information and was a detriment to public health. I wouldn't waste my time or increase the author's revenues for something that is so fundamentaly opposite of the core of who I am and what I stand for.
I don't need to read a book to understand ignorance. I see it everyday when my patients or family members don't understand what is going on with their medical conditions. It takes patience and understanding and they teach us about how to develop these skills in medical school.
 
Chrisobean said:
right, but this doesnt change the fact that many tribes have deep cultural beliefs that allow the men to be promiscuous. and the village idiots act as the "cleanser" to widows to make them marraige material again. you cant "cleanse" someone wearing a condom. they just dont believe in wearing them, so you can hand them out all you want and they will collect dust in the corner. it's like trying to tell an italian person they cant eat pasta anymore. (im italian, and therefore allowed to say that). tradition is hard to change.


Good job. you're probably right.. sounds like something i heard some lions and meerkats talking about and how it related to their lifestyle of 'hakuna matata'. Seriously man, go pick up a book, and I don't mean Tarzan or any book written by some white man in the 50's about 'african tribal customs'.

Just in case you feel somewhat offended, feel free to let us in on your research about these 'many tribes'.
 
Friday said:
Good job. you're probably right.. sounds like something i heard some lions and meerkats talking about and how it related to their lifestyle of 'hakuna matata'. Seriously man, go pick up a book, and I don't mean Tarzan or any book written by some white man in the 50's about 'african tribal customs'.

Just in case you feel somewhat offended, feel free to let us in on your research about these 'many tribes'.
right. 🙄

maybe you're the one who needs to pick up a book.
 
Friday said:
Good job. you're probably right.. sounds like something i heard some lions and meerkats talking about and how it related to their lifestyle of 'hakuna matata'. Seriously man, go pick up a book, and I don't mean Tarzan or any book written by some white man in the 50's about 'african tribal customs'.

Just in case you feel somewhat offended, feel free to let us in on your research about these 'many tribes'.

He's actually right, many Africans (especially those in rural areas, descendents or members of tribes) believe that having unprotected sex with a virgin will "cleanse" them of their venereal disease. Worse, many african men believe that wearing a condom is a direct front to their sexuality, which makes condom USE problematic.
 
Gleevec said:
He's actually right, many Africans (especially those in rural areas, descendents or members of tribes) believe that having unprotected sex with a virgin will "cleanse" them of their venereal disease. Worse, many african men believe that wearing a condom is a direct front to their sexuality, which makes condom USE problematic.


Very true. One African man that I interviewed said that he stopped using a condom after 2 times because his children would laugh at him when he put it on.
 
hi gaslady,
first of all, you don't have to worry about giving the author revenues, because her whole book is on the website, free of charge. i realize the info i have given is one-sided-- but that is because everyone else's view is the polar opposite, and this is the dissident view. like i said, i havent researched her stances yet, and i was offering food for thought for everyone.

when i first read her book, i was nauseous, because it went against everything i was taught about AIDS, but the more i considered her arguments, the more intrigued i was.

i would NEVER encourage people to have unprotected sex, nor does the author. there are plenty of sexually transmitted diseases people need to protect themselves from. Suggesting that offering an alternative view on HIV/AIDS encourages people to have unprotected sex is not fair and distracts from the main argument.

as for ignorant patients, this author is not ignorant. she has spent a LOT of time researching her position, so why not consider what she has to say (by reading her book) and THEN decide you disagree? this is what science is all about.

scientists and doctors are not perfect. general consensus has been wrong in the past, and consensus on it's own does not prove something is true. i urge you to at least consider the ideas in the book before calling the author ignorant.
 
Gleevec said:
He's actually right, many Africans (especially those in rural areas, descendents or members of tribes) believe that having unprotected sex with a virgin will "cleanse" them of their venereal disease. Worse, many african men believe that wearing a condom is a direct front to their sexuality, which makes condom USE problematic.

Could you please reference any of these statements...

To clarify, my main problem is with ya'lls use of the word 'many'. How did you arrive at this approximation? Pray tell us where you read it. You do kind of sound like you're stereotyping. Was it in a newspaper article, the tonight show, the daily show, crank yankers, the o'reilly factor...please provide a link.
 
ItsGavinC said:
Very true. One African man that I interviewed said that he stopped using a condom after 2 times because his children would laugh at him when he put it on.

Is one african man 'many'? Is he representative of 'most african men'? Did his children see him wearing his condom? Does he discuss his sex life with his children? What else did he stop because of the kids laughter? Did you otherwise enjoy the natives...

anyway, lets not divert from the original thread by rehashing stereotypes and what not.

AIDS and HIV: continue...
 
rxfudd said:

rx, ill see your 🙄 and raise you 2 more 🙄 🙄

Friday, this link's for

you.
 
Most of the claims made in the links are either based on older information (the most recent article is 5 years old) or just plainly don't understand some scientific principles. She fails to mention that as we better understand diseases and how they work, epis can come up with better case definitions. She doesn't appear to know how these tests really work (thermodynamics and equilibria should dispel most of her concerns). There are numerous EM images of virion particles as well as RNA strands, which counters one of her statements (something like no one's ever seen an HIV or whatnot).

She does have some vaild points about bureaucracies and jerks though (ie Gallo and his outrageous ego), but as far as the the actual scientific evidence goes, she hasn't convinced me HIV =! AIDS.

-X


shellabella said:
 
shellabella said:
4. The AIDS test is not specific and there are many factors causing a false positive, including pregnancy, the flu, flu vaccination, herpes, and about 60 others.
Ok, you do realize that the "AIDS test" is actually a test for HIV, don't you? AIDS is not a disease, it's a syndrome of immunodeficiency. Yes, all the AIDS defining illnesses can occur under other circumstances, but it's all immunodeficiency. What makes it "AIDS" is that the immunodeficiency is caused by HIV. Not everyone who has HIV will get AIDS, but everyone who has "AIDS" has HIV by definition. If someone has an AIDS defining illness and is not HIV+, another cause is found for their immunodeficiency and they are then labeled with that illness.
 
Oh come on guys,

Everyone knows that HIV does NOT cause AIDS... Eating popcorn flavored Jelly Belly jellybeans and/or white gummy worms does...

Sheesh

--Funkless
 
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