Alliance between UC Berkeley and Davis Med

[kmnfive]

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I know that Davis was Berekeley's Farm a long time ago, but does anyone notice that Berkeley seems to "farm" a lot of their students to Davis SOM? I see this more and more; and they seem to favor students of Berkeley even with lower stats; Granted that Berkeley is a rather competitive school.

with academic nepotism aside, what do you guys feel about this?

im sure there are other schools out there that have similar relationships.

i dont know, i just thought it was interesting. or maybe im just naive =)

 

[kmnfive]

I know that Davis was Berekeley's Farm a long time ago, but does anyone notice that Berkeley seems to "farm" a lot of their students to Davis SOM? I see this more and more; and they seem to favor students of Berkeley even with lower stats; Granted that Berkeley is a rather competitive school.

with academic nepotism aside, what do you guys feel about this?

im sure there are other schools out there that have similar relationships.

i dont know, i just thought it was interesting. or maybe im just naive =)

sorry for the late edit

 

[Pinkertinkle]

Might be true.

 

[Uegis]

I work with a lot of medical students from UCD SOM, and it is true, a lot of Berkeley students here. I would say of the ones I know, 13/20 are from there, though it could be higher since I forgot where those other seven are from. Of course, most are from the Bay so they prefer to stay in Northern California, which only leaves them with Stanford, UCSF or Davis. The two former ones are extremely competitive, so a lot of UCB students matriculate at UCD SOM.

 

[HeySha]

I know that Davis was Berekeley's Farm a long time ago, but does anyone notice that Berkeley seems to "farm" a lot of their students to Davis SOM? I see this more and more; and they seem to favor students of Berkeley even with lower stats; Granted that Berkeley is a rather competitive school.

with academic nepotism aside, what do you guys feel about this?

im sure there are other schools out there that have similar relationships.

i dont know, i just thought it was interesting. or maybe im just naive =)

I'll agree that it "seems" that way, but I think you might also have to look at the number of students applying from Berkeley to UCD? I mean in the sense that they have such a large number of applicants to UCDSOM, due to their sheer numbers it seems that they'd have a higher percentage of applicants matriculate than other random CA schools. But, I do understand what you mean about the lower stats. On that note I know of someone at Yale SOM who didn't even get an interview with MUCH higher stats than other people I know at UCDSOM who matriculated (And he was also a CA resident). BUT, he attended Dartmouth for undergrad versus a UC. I've been told at over and over that ALL of the UC's stress keeping their students "in the system." To me, this makes sense as it is our CA university system that we pay for. And, UCB is at the top of that UC undergraduate academic hierarchy, at least from a stats/rankings standpoint (personal feelings aside). 🙂

 

[CalH22a]

Actually, there are some pretty interesting numbers on the UC Berkeley career center website. For the 2003 Berkeley graduating class, 105 people applied and 8 were accepted. The average MCAT for all that were accepted was 35 and the average GPA was 3.74. I think those are pretty competitive numbers.

 

[Uegis]

Actually, there are some pretty interesting numbers on the UC Berkeley career center website. For the 2003 Berkeley graduating class, 105 people applied and 8 were accepted. The average MCAT for all that were accepted was 35 and the average GPA was 3.74. I think those are pretty competitive numbers.

That is very interesting indeed. Can you provide a link?

But then again, a lot of the ones that I know are non-traditional students. There is one who was a finance major who switched, two who got MPH first, a few who took extensive time off to improve application (as many as three years).

But 8 out of the class is a pretty good percentage of the class, less than 10% but still high.

 

[CalBeE]

UC schools don't neccessarily favor each other, but most of the applicants to UC schools ARE UC undergrads.

At my school, the most represented undergrad school was UCLA (37/150 in my class), and the next is Berkeley (<20/150 this year I think). It just seems like you'll see Berkeley graduates at all the UC med schools, not just UC Davis.

 

[jlee9531]

career center numbers are too small of a sample to get anything out of it. i think the total number of kids is like 500-600. let me tell you, in the course of 7 years, there have been more than 600 kids who applied to med school from berkeley.

plus i havent looked very carefully but norcal schools like ucsf, davis, and stanfurd traditionally takes a lot of their kids from Cal.

i dont think there is anything "funny" going on because davis emphasizes the humanistic qualities more than other schools, which means they will let someone with a lower gpa slide. also the fact that berkeley kids usually have lower gpas due to the competition up there. its why cal kids tend to have lower gpas but comparable or higher mcats when they are compared to other cali students that have higher gpas. You tell me the average GPA of students that got a 31 on their mcat. I'll guarantee you that it is above the ~3.4 I got at Cal.

but i think it's mostly due to the # of applicants. its why places like NYMC and UVM are flooded with UC students and are humourously known as UC Valhalla and Burlington. I would think at a lot of the known non-cali private med schools, that cali students would be the #1 source of out of state students at that school.

 

[constructor]

i think davis does have disproportionately more people from cal. i agree with what someone said earlier about the other norcal schools, stanford and ucsf, being extremely competitive and so lots of people from cal get into davis because lots of them apply. most stanford people surprisingly go to private east coast schools over the uc's, so it seems like the uc davis class is stocked with cal grads.

 

[BAM!]

Actually, there are some pretty interesting numbers on the UC Berkeley career center website. For the 2003 Berkeley graduating class, 105 people applied and 8 were accepted. The average MCAT for all that were accepted was 35 and the average GPA was 3.74. I think those are pretty competitive numbers.

these numbers are for graduating seniors only, it doesn't include people who take a year or two off. still pretty impressive if you ask me. makes me wonder if i stand a chance!

here's the link - someone asked for it
https://career.berkeley.edu/MedStats/top20.stm#ucd

 

[relentless11]

Based on talks with the assistant dean of admissions and director of admissions at UCD, UCD, and the rest of the UC's DO NOT have preference for UC alumni from any school.

Its not correct to infer that UCD "prefers" Cal students based on the numbers. One seems to forget that you are looking at those who decided to ACCEPT their admission to UCD rather than being accepted.

As someone stated earlier, a good deal of students in Northern Cal would love to stay in the region. This therefore limits the selection to the three schools (UCSF, UCD, and Stanford). Relatively speaking UCSF and Stanford are more difficult to get into compared to UCD. So that would clearly make most applicants from Cal to have only one Northern California choice, UCD.

Anyway, to reflect though, since i believe someone said that there were something like 15-20 Cal students in the UCD class. Here are some facts and figures from the recent AMSA conference up here...as stated by the director of admissions:

Out of 93 students for the class of 2008, 15 were from UCD. They accepted a total of 200 students though...so that number doesn't show much preference. In fact its comparable (i'm sure on average) to those that are from Cal..

Really, one would think that Cal is more closely related to UCSF, since many of their grad programs are linked. In fact, i believe UCSF and Cal have a combined degree program for MD/MS, and some select MD/PhD programs. But in the end, when UCSF having a mean undergrad GPA (class of 2008) of 3.7, and mean MCAT of 11.5.......that kinda kicks things up a notch. Compared to UCD, who had a mean undergrad GPA of 3.5 and mean MCAT of 30. Totally different animal, both good schools, but one just really requires a lot more outta ya😉

 

[Medikit]

Berkeley is such a good, competitive school, I would try to make sure I got a lot of Berkeley people in my medical school.

 

[Uegis]

Compared to UCD, who had a mean undergrad GPA of 3.5 and mean MCAT of 30. Totally different animal, both good schools, but one just really requires a lot more outta ya😉

The averages are more like 3.65 and 32. Its posted at the UCD career center. Quite a big difference from what you posted, but still moderately less than UCSF.

But to add, since Stanford and UCSF takes out of state students, UCD is the primary alternative for those who want to stay in NorCal but don't have super numbers. UCD is my first choice, even if i get into Stanford or UCSF (yea right, both in my dreams). I love the system they have here and I have grown very accustomed to the community, both in Davis and in Sacramento. No where else I would rather be.

 

[jlee9531]

Berkeley is such a good, competitive school, I would try to make sure I got a lot of Berkeley people in my medical school.

you're AOK in my book haha.

 

[relentless11]

The averages are more like 3.65 and 32. Its posted at the UCD career center. Quite a big difference from what you posted, but still moderately less than UCSF.

But to add, since Stanford and UCSF takes out of state students, UCD is the primary alternative for those who want to stay in NorCal but don't have super numbers. UCD is my first choice, even if i get into Stanford or UCSF (yea right, both in my dreams). I love the system they have here and I have grown very accustomed to the community, both in Davis and in Sacramento. No where else I would rather be.

Actually these were the stats that Ed Dagang provided us 3 weeks ago at the AMSA conference at American River College. Feel free to review the video of the conference: http://www.amsaarc.org/ (it was very informative).

That 0.15 difference is moot though. The point being, UCSF is still very competative. By the way, did you hear that they will be planning to move UCDSOM to Sacramento? Majority of the laboratory staff moved to UCDMC a year or two ago already, so now, they're talking about moving everything up there to put the students closer to the clinical side of things. Cool stuff.

 

[kmnfive]

you're AOK in my book haha.

well its true, Cal is such a great school with great teachers; i never meant to talk down on it, i just thought it was interseting and was wondering if anyone knew of any other schools or groups of schools that seem to hold a relationship with "sister" schools.

 

[jlee9531]

Actually these were the stats that Ed Dagang provided us 3 weeks ago at the AMSA conference at American River College. Feel free to review the video of the conference: http://www.amsaarc.org/ (it was very informative).

That 0.15 difference is moot though. The point being, UCSF is still very competative. By the way, did you hear that they will be planning to move UCDSOM to Sacramento? Majority of the laboratory staff moved to UCDMC a year or two ago already, so now, they're talking about moving everything up there to put the students closer to the clinical side of things. Cool stuff.

yeah its a good thing for the school.

 

[kmnfive]

most of my friends went to davis and Cal for undergrad, i've spent some visiting time at both schools. i like Cal for its liberal dont giva fawk attitude, and davis for such a vast campus.

one could only dream of going to davis for med. at least in my case so that i could possibly stay in cali.

the thing is, we all know that academic favortism exists. i mean come on, lets not be so definative about the freedom that supposedly exists between colleges. i'm just curious as to how far academic politics go.

Jlee had a good point though; he told me earlier today that its just the sheer volume of people at Cal that are pre-med that apply to so many different schools that perhaps make it seems like the UC's play favorites with its own.

i mean its like the relationship with Radcliff and Harvard; they serve each other right? and Davis and Berkeley are not too far from each other considering the fact that they are only an hour away.

 

[PreMedAdAG]

Berkeley is such a good, competitive school, I would try to make sure I got a lot of Berkeley people in my medical school.

Everyone thinks this about their school... I feel the same about Davis... high competition (whether you want to believe me or not.. there's nothing else to do in Davis besides study and beat out the next pre-med kid in your orgo class 😉 )

 

[Medikit]

Everyone thinks this about their school... I feel the same about Davis... high competition (whether you want to believe me or not.. there's nothing else to do in Davis besides study and beat out the next pre-med kid in your orgo class 😉 )

I don't go to Berkeley...

 

[scooter31]

Davis = 👍

Berkeley = 🙄

Just my humble opinion...

 

[Uegis]

. By the way, did you hear that they will be planning to move UCDSOM to Sacramento? Majority of the laboratory staff moved to UCDMC a year or two ago already, so now, they're talking about moving everything up there to put the students closer to the clinical side of things. Cool stuff.

Yea, they plan to do that within the next few years, probably by 2006 or 2007 depending on who you ask. There is massive construction going on all over the place around the UCDMC. But I think their priority right now is getting the new research buildings done on Stockton.

A lot of the lab stuff did move to the UCDMC, but that new research building near Tupper looks great also. I actually go the microarray facility at Tupper a lot, and heard they just moved over to the new building. This is pretty exciting though, more reason why UCD SOM is a rising medical school.

 

[neuronerd]

The averages are more like 3.65 and 32. Its posted at the UCD career center. Quite a big difference from what you posted, but still moderately less than UCSF.

But to add, since Stanford and UCSF takes out of state students, UCD is the primary alternative for those who want to stay in NorCal but don't have super numbers. UCD is my first choice, even if i get into Stanford or UCSF (yea right, both in my dreams). I love the system they have here and I have grown very accustomed to the community, both in Davis and in Sacramento. No where else I would rather be.

Yeah, Uegis is right. The averages are pretty high for all the UCs. That's why people from Cali have to apply to ten thousand schools. My first choice is Stanford (hahaha, talk about yeah right). But actually, I would go anywhere in California. I just moved to Bethesda to work for the NIH on my year off and although it's beautiful, nothing beats Sacramento in my opinion. It's the perfect location. You can drive anywhere to have fun in just a couple hours while living in a fantastic suburb. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll get into Cali but I'm still hopeful. Okay, no I'm not. boo hoo.

 

[kmnfive]

Davis = 👍

Berkeley = 🙄

Just my humble opinion...

Davis = Cows and Stench of cowshiet, and a bunch of people who are upset they didnt get into Cal who goto davis and think they're too big for their britches.


Berkeley = Good Weed and interseting lectures on Requiem For A Dream

Don't knock Cal, if it wasnt for Cal, Davis wouldnt even exist in the first place. (of course you knew that right)

Davis is a great school and so is Cal; but there is nothing like Telegraph; whats there to do in Davis other than rent videos and eat crappy sushi?

Oh yeah there's cattlemens steakhouse--but that doesnt make up for Davis being in the middle of Bum Fawk No Where. But i suppose you can goto sacramento and go bowling 🙄

at least if you goto berkeley SF is 10 minutes across the bridge.

 

[scooter31]

Davis = Cows and Stench of cowshiet, and a bunch of people who are upset they didnt get into Cal who goto davis and think they're too big for their britches.


Berkeley = Good Weed and interseting lectures on Requiem For A Dream

Don't knock Cal, if it wasnt for Cal, Davis wouldnt even exist in the first place. (of course you knew that right)

Davis is a great school and so is Cal; but there is nothing like Telegraph; whats there to do in Davis other than rent videos and eat crappy sushi?

Oh yeah there's cattlemens steakhouse--but that doesnt make up for Davis being in the middle of Bum Fawk No Where. But i suppose you can goto sacramento and go bowling 🙄

at least if you goto berkeley SF is 10 minutes across the bridge.

I guess some people can't take a joke...

Easy tiger. I wasnt trying to start a flame war, just ribbing the many Bears on SDN. No need to get vicious with your replies, as mine wasnt that mean to begin with.

There are many pros and cons to attending either one of our institutions- some of us had the luxury of choosing between many of the UC's, including UCB, Stanford, and a couple of Ivies, and still chose Davis. Many factors play into a person's final choice of undergrad institution, which may or may not include things like the dankness of the local marijuana supply or say, geographical proximity to loved ones. To each their own, yes? Is it safe to say a UC education, regardless of campus, will get you far, even if it's just up I-80 for med school for the Berkeley grads? From the tone of your post, it's odd why so many Bears come up this way, if this is how Davis is truly viewed by your fellow classmates. You have made this thread irrelevant, as obviously Davis has nothing to offer a Berkeley grad- who's too big for their britches again? I digress.

Please, lets try and keep the replies civil- I'm sorry you didnt take my (obviously) feeble attempt at humour the way it was intended. You cant go wrong with either place, and if you can get around the smells and scenery of our state's capital (and suburban areas), you will enjoy your time and education in Davis. Honestly.

And hey, it it wasnt for an Aggie, SDN never would happened, so it cant be that bad in Yolo County.... 👍

Now back to the UCB- UCDSOM alliance, shall we?

 

[kmnfive]

got a little carried away there =) sorry

 

[scooter31]

got a little carried away there =) sorry

No worries- nothing wrong with a little alma mater pride...


Good luck with USC this weekend 👍

 

[Pinkertinkle]

About 20% of UCD med students are Cal grads, it is the most represented undergrad there. As for preference, I doubt it exists.

 

[Medikit]

About 20% of UCD med students are Cal grads, it is the most represented undergrad there. As for preference, I doubt it exists.

I like your new avatar

 

[Pinkertinkle]

I like your new avatar

Thanks, I've been playing too much Rome Total War. Its got me all ancient historied.

 

[Uegis]

Thanks, I've been playing too much Rome Total War. Its got me all ancient historied.

Man, i've been hooked for the past week too. So addicting, think I smell smoke coming from my computer....