Also Took My DAT today

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Well, I just finished my DAT today and found all the tips and suggestions on this board extremely helpful in preparing for the test. I think it is only proper to reciprocate and share my own suggestions and impressions of the test.

I warn you this is a lengthy post.

My scores...

AA 25 100.0
PA 20 95.5
QR 28 100.0
RC 24 97.5
Bio 23 99.4
GC 25 98.9
OC 25 99.4
TS 24 99.8

Overall impression: Science more straightforward than Topscore. The testing environment (my test center was in Culver City,CA) was very pleasant, quiet and the screens were just fine. I finished about 20 minutes early on the science section because I had adjusted my timing to Topscore's heavy math G-Chem, which is not really what the actually DAT is like. The topscore program is really great for getting the format of the DAT and practicing the timing, but some of the types of questions are a little off.

Overall study strategy/mantra: 1. Quickly read through Kaplan. 2. Take topscore 1 and find weaknesses. 3. Go in depth on the weakness and do lots of relavent problems. 4. Repeat 2 and 3 for topscores 2 and 3.

Bio: Again, straightforward questions. My recommendation is to do as many problems as you can. Get a bunch of AP bio books and do all the practice exams. It is quite likely that you will see some of the same questions (with slight variations) on the DAT. Dont forget to note which areas are your weakest and go back and work on this in depth. I did this right from the start and I felt this was very time effective. This is especially wise if your science background is already strong. I liked using Schaum's bio to brush up on areas I was weak in. Also, another effective strategy I used was reviewing both Schaum's and KAPLAN together. If you review a topic in two different sources each with its own details, chances are you will at least remember the general concepts. I also bought Examkrackers 1001 Bio... a complete waste. Unlike GC and OC, this book is tailored to MCAT and really would be less helpful than AP bio stuff.

GC: I am a math oriented person, so memorizing and applying equations is not as dificult for me as memorizing how many heart chambers an annelid has. Kaplan is pretty sufficient for this section. I also got Examkrackers GC 1001, which was very helpful because doing a lot of questions is the best way to prepare. Also, topscore's GC section is way more math oriented than the real thing. This makes a big difference because it gives you more time to focus on bio and OC. Someone posted recently that you should memorize all the little equations in KAPLAN. I did not do this and this strikes me as a waste of time. Just make sure you know the big equations (probably not more than ten or so).

OC: Again, Kaplan pretty sufficient here and Examkrackers 1001 OC very helpful (do a lot of questions!) I would say topscore is right on for this section. Just memorize the reactions and all the stereochemistry rules and everything else in Kaplan and you should be fine. There were not any weird reactions on my DAT.

PAT: Do problems. As many as you can. Eventually the 2D images just start popping out at you. Topscore is pretty realistic except for the angle rankings which are more dificult. My recommendation is dont spend too much time on the angle rankings (15 sec max). Come on, what's going to change by looking at an angle longer. Either you see it or you dont. Take your best shot, move on and spend your time on problems which require it. The best prep for PAT is from acethedat.com. Their angle rankings are REALLY hard, but it is better preparing this way than using easy problems and panicking on the real thing.

RC: Its not reading comprehension, but rather skillful skimming. Just find a good keyword in the question (ex. "Hardy-Weinberg" or "Rhombencephalon", not common words like "best" or "except") and find it in the passage. It is likely the answer to the question is nearby. As you do this for each question you get a better idea of the passage as a whole and at the end of the questions for a certain passage you can return and answer the more general questions (themes, "What is the best ending sentence?", etc.). Forget the making a map of the passage and all the other "techniques". This seems like a huge waste of valuable testing time. Other than taking topscore I didnt prep for this.

QR: Be comfortable with algebra and general conversion formulas. I am strong in math so I didnt really study for this section, but I heard doing gmat prep is helpful and i could see how this may be true.

You may have noticed that I have invested in quite a few DAT prep materials: KAPLAN, Barrons (PAT), acethedat.com (PAT), Examkrackers 1001 OC, GC, and Schaum's Bio (I had the AP bio stuff from before-REA and Kaplan). All I can say is that my investment paid off and these resources helped tremendously. I feel very strongly about doing problems because when you get to that test center, they arent flipping flashcards or asking you to write essays. You are being asked MC questions and knowing how to answer them is a skill on its own.

One last thing... this advice is probably most relevant to people with strong science backgrounds to begin with. I went to a very competitve high school and a competitive college so I learned how to learn quickly, which is crucial for getting a great score on the DAT and probably for succeeding in dental school.

I am at UC Berkeley and have a 3.5/3.5 science/overall.
 
I think I meant GRE, not GMAT, for the QR. I get confused between the two. They really should change one of those acronyms. I say drop the G in GMAT and make it the MAT, but then that sounds kind of like MCAT I suppose. Whatever, sorry for wasting 30 seconds of your time there. 🙂
 
Damn! Sh1t! Nice numbers! Yet another "Perfect Vision Club" member! I don't know to hug you, kiss you or throw you in the lake!? :laugh: All I can say is, this is the most impressive DAT numbers I've seen since I've been around (almost 3 years). I know there are DAT scores higher, but none so consistent and solid! Congrats and have fun choosing between dental schools.
 
wow! that's damn impressive way to go! out of curiosity, on the bio section would u say u saw more emphasis on ecology, evolution, genetics, and taxonomy like some of the previous posters have said? if so could u sort of suggest what subtopics to focus on for those sections? thanks!
 
Wow Podil, amazing scores! I'm still happy with mine (took it wed), but am definitely glad that you aren't applying to UCSF! Good advice too. Doesn't it feel great to be done with the test? Although I think I'm in a little bit of study withdrawl right now... Good luck in the rest of the admissions process, you've got it in the bag! 😀
 
I've had dreams of getting my score printout and seeing similar scores. Well done.
 
Mitch: Yes, those topics did seem to be emphasized, but I knew that beforehand because I read this forum and I studied those topics a little bit more in depth than kaplan (Schaum's mostly).

Thanks again to everyone posting on this board for helping me and other pre-dents out.

-P
 
*insert sound of my jaw hitting the floor here* Congratulations on those high and consistent scores! If I wasn't so jealous I'd award you a merit badge! You shouldn't have any difficulty getting interviews at your three schools.
 
One thing i forgot to mention happened during my test. The computer froze during my PAT section!! It unfroze after about a minute, but I was panicking and going through all of the possible scenarios for complaining in my head during that time. When I mean froze, I mean the mouse wasnt moving and the computer wasnt making any noise! Plus, I knew I had done well on the science part so I was about to throw a fit. Anyways, luckily it all turned out OK, but I got kind of slowed down after that on the PAT part. I am not sure if this is more widespread, but I can imaging that it could be a potential problem for some DAT taker somewhere.
 
I just took the DAT on wed and a couple of times it froze on me when I was going to the next question - only for about 5 seconds though. If it had been for that long, I would have freaked out too!
 
wow! that was incredibly amazing! good for U! 👍
but i think its all due to ur experience in high school and coll (UC-berkeley, i mean really!!) and ur super intelligence..
obviously, majority of us normal average brained ppl wouldn't even dream of such scores! :laugh:
anyway hope u get into ucla and harvard..good luck!
 
that's some f**king crazy scores !!! Sheesh. I had 22's and I thought I was hauling some arse. You rocked!
 
In hind sight, I think it is an important reminder, that we won't score such high scores. 25 IS LIKE AN ANOMALY. For people who are worried about scoring well, I wouldn't be too worried or stress, or start comparing myself with some guy who scored 25. Because that is truly awesome.

After all, this is a standardized test, and only 1 in 100 is allowed, and can score that high. So, for the rest of us, 99 out of 100, who are smart and above average, we just need to do well, say above 19's.

I hope everyone do well, and best wishes.
 
wow... nice numbers~ congratz...

I have a q... so for the RC, you jumped straight into the questions without spending any time to read/skim through the passages first?
 
LadyxJC said:
wow... nice numbers~ congratz...

I have a q... so for the RC, you jumped straight into the questions without spending any time to read/skim through the passages first?

that's what i did and scored a 24 on that section as well..there really just isn't enough time to go through the passage first
 
LadyxJC said:
wow... nice numbers~ congratz...

I have a q... so for the RC, you jumped straight into the questions without spending any time to read/skim through the passages first?

Exactly! I updated the RC section of my orginal post. See that for the technique I used. I feel very confident it should work for most people with OK skimming skills.
 
hey podil,
just wondering, how come you dont want to apply to ucsf as well? wanna get away from the bay or are you originally from LA?
 
podil said:
I go to college in the Bay Area and dont plan on sticking around for another 4 years. Sorry, I'm a SoCal or NO Cal guy. NO meaning nada/zilch/zero. My schools fine, but it would be 100 times better if it were located in LA. I am sure UCSF is a fine dental school, but location, location, location. If I dont get into UCLA or Harvard, then I'll be happy to go to USC (assuming they take me).

Are you a student at UCSF (or applying there)?

i'm gonna be a student there starting this fall. actually, i'm in a similar situation as you. i went to UCLA so i didn't really want to do the whole UCLA thing for another 4 years (not that i had a choice though cuz i only made it on the waitlist for UCLA). but still. glad to hear you're a SoCal guy, i'm gonna really miss the weather down here when i'm freezing my butt off in SF. anyways, i'm sure you'll get in anywhere with your scores and gpa. good luck!
 
it's ok, you're in much better shape than i was. i had a 3.3gpa/3.1science so you already have a great gpa. your 25/24/20 on the DAT is top notch and i'm sure will get schools to at least look at you because of that score. as long as you're not some weirdo during the interview then you're all good. actually, it also helps if you have a lot of other extra curriculars/volunteer work...but i'm assuming you have a lot...correct me if i'm wrong...
 
podil said:
Thanks. Good luck to you too! I hope your right about getting anywhere 🙂 Somehow I doubt, though, that GPA and DAT are good enough alone. A lot of people on this forum have much better GPA than a 3.5 and pretty high DATs too. I just hope some school doesnt decide to make an example out of me and say "See, you can still get rejected from our school with a 25 DAT". I heard Harvard undergrad did that with some SAT 1600s. ?? If you can tell, I may be slightly nervous about the rest of the process. Ah well.

-P

I wouldn't worry about that. You will of course get in everywhere unless you dont have arms or something. Even then they probably would accept you.

Great job! I wish I had some of this advice before I took the test!!
 
Podil,

Your thread has almost at 1200 views and I'm the 27 reply. I think you've left people in shell shock. Awesome scores. I'll save my good lucks for someone who needs it. Nah...good luck!!! There's plenty of those to go around.

HBomb.
 
Ash: I started off with Barron's and then did's lots of problems with Kaplan, Topscore, acethedat.com. For the easy ones, you should start to be able to visualize the drawing in 3d. For the harder ones, you have to campare detail between each answer choice and eliminate answers that arent possible given the location of solid or dashed lines on the drawings they give you. I am sorry I am not very clear, but it is dificult to teach this method without using examples. First, though, use Barrons.

HBomb: Wow, I didnt realize how many people use this forum and how many views this thread has gotten. Hopefully this means people find my advice and recommendations helpful.

As an aside: I am very happy to finally send in the AADSAS app today 🙂

-P
 
podil said:
Busdriver: other than location, why did you choose UCSF? I am thinking about applying to UCSF as well now (sorry Jess_SB 🙂 - though I am sure u'll get in anyway) . I just finished my essay and I will probably submit my AADSAS on monday. 🙂

hey podil: i'd pm you but apparently i can't for some reason..maybe cuz you're a recent member...i dunno. anyways, as you probably know by now, any dental school will give you the skills you need to become a dentist so there really is no better school. the reason i chose UCSF was because 1) the patient pool was abundant, 2) it was a change of scenery for me away from LA, 3) since i've always gone to school close to my home, i felt that living a little farther away would give me experience away from home (not that i went home a lot during college, but at least now it's not as accessible so i don't have the privilege). 4) i like the idea of pass/no pass grades -->less competitive..or so i hope...5) it's a state school which means less money i have to pay (this is really my number one reason 🙂 ) 6) if i decide i want to do research i know for sure i'll be able to find something there...hmm....i guess that's most of the reasons, it's kinda late so i might not be thinking totally correctly but if i think of other reasons why i chose ucsf i'll let you know...you should ask hbomb why he chose ucsf too..he'll be going there....unless he changed his mind all of a sudden...HBomb??????
 
podil said:
Ash: I started off with Barron's and then did's lots of problems with Kaplan, Topscore, acethedat.com. For the easy ones, you should start to be able to visualize the drawing in 3d. For the harder ones, you have to campare detail between each answer choice and eliminate answers that arent possible given the location of solid or dashed lines on the drawings they give you. I am sorry I am not very clear, but it is dificult to teach this method without using examples. First, though, use Barrons.

HBomb: Wow, I didnt realize how many people use this forum and how many views this thread has gotten. Hopefully this means people find my advice and recommendations helpful.

As an aside: I am very happy to finally send in the AADSAS app today 🙂

-P

The advice that podil gives is what I was also trying to allude to in my last post. Practice visualizing the 3d drawing first. You absolutely must get the hang of visualizing first. Ultimately, visualizing is a skill you need to succeed on this section. Once you get the hang of it, this is the method I use:
1) use dimensions (if possible and only if obvious) to eliminate wrong answer choices (quick). That is: the two views will give you the overall dimensions of the third view, so eliminate the answers with the dimensions that don't work.
2) event count to eliminate wrong answer choices
3) of the remaining answers, take a single part of the object where answer choices differ, go to the remaining view and determine which is right. This is done by visualizing, and that's why you need to practice visualizing.

Remember there are only 4 answer choices (not 5) in this section, so process of elimination is ideal in this section.
 
busdriver said:
you should ask hbomb why he chose ucsf too..he'll be going there....unless he changed his mind all of a sudden...HBomb??????

I chose UCSF for the location. I grew up in the Bay Area, and I want to practice here, so it just makes sense to go to school here.

It's kind of funny, our situations. I'm a Bruin. I love the campus, UCLA football, basketball, reading the Daily Bruin, hanging out along Bruin Walk...not that you'll do that in dental school btw!!! I know we're all down a little bit on the football program, but I'm an optimist by nature and I'm looking forward to smashing OkSt this Saturday. Both programs seemed to present endless opportunities, except that UCSF doesn't have an intercollegiate sports program!!! So that was a big strike against UCSF - j/k. But I really wanted to be back up here in the Bay Area.

It just recently struck me that I'll be starting soon. I really haven't thought about it much all summer, but finally, now the reality has started to set in. I get my SF apt keys on Thursday. Yikes!!!
 
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